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Old 31 Oct 2007, 10:21 am
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Default Which one is better turbo or supercharger?

I have a 2001 honda S2000 and I am trying to figure which one to go with. I prefer the supercharger because I don't like turbo lag but I am still confused. I noticed that alot of people turbo S2000's and people rarley supercharge them. I also noticed that the S2000 has really good top end and could use some better low to mid power. So please if anyone can help me I would appreciate it. Thanks.
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Old 31 Oct 2007, 10:24 am
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Most turbochargers anymore dont have much lag... I would recommend a turbocharger. This is a big debate...Its just kinda what your going to do with it.
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Old 31 Oct 2007, 10:27 am
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i prefer centrifugal superchargers for street cars. but many people prefer turbos.with modern turbo technology turbo lag is virtually eliminated. and turbos have the advantage of not stealing power.superchargers cause parasitic power loss, it takes hp to turn the pulley that spins the supercharger.on extremely high hp cars this causes a significant loss, but on street cars it is so negligible it doesn't matter.a supercharger is much easier to install and in my opinion ultimately simpler.my suggestion would be a centrifugal supercharger wit an air to air inter-cooler and a blow off valve.get a pro-charger if they make one for your car, currently every supercharged drag car that holds a record is running a pro-charger.
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Old 31 Oct 2007, 10:30 am
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a supercharger because the super charger constantly is forcing air down ......... your low and mid end could be greatly changed by the gearing of your trans
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Old 31 Oct 2007, 10:33 am
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which one is better has been the debate for decades. both have advantages, and disadvantages, and each has their place. personally i prefer the turbo in most small engine applications. why? there are a few reasons;1: you dont need engine power to turn the turbo to make boost, but the power you gain still isnt free since exhaust flow is compromised a bit.2: the turbo is lighter than the supercharger.3: in a small engine application you dont need a large turbo or two small ones to have enough air flow at higher engine rpms.4: the adiabatic efficiency(a $5 term engineers use to explain that the higher the adiabatic efficiency, the less heat is introduced into the air when it is compressed) is higher with a turbo, though advances have been made in recent years in regards to supercharging.if you size the turbo right, you will have boost just off idle at full throttle, but when crusing sedately down the freeway, you have no boost. with a supercharger you will end up with some boost at freeway speeds, and that costs fuel economy. one more thing,a turbo engine tends to be less prone to detonation than a supercharged engine, partly because of the higher adiabatic efficiency, and partly because boost pressure is low in the most detonation prone range, low rpm and high engine load. to give you some idea of how good turbos are, in the mid 80's the NHRA changed the engine displacement rules to allow 500ci engines, or turbocharged engines under 250ci, since at least 2 automakers had turbo charged engines from the factory. for a year, there was a turbocharged prostock buick that was not very competitive, but they got better each race as they sorted out the combination. the next couple of seasons, the turbo buick dominated prostock racing to the point where, even though the team didnt match bob gliddens record undefeated season in 1978 across two sanctioning bodies, the potential was there for the turbo buick to dominate the class for years to come. also as you may know, top fuel engines are supercharged 500ci engines making 8000hp these days. you wont find a turbo engine in top fuel as the turbo was outlawed in the 80's. why? same reason as the prostock buick turbo engine was outlawed. at the time a top fuel dragster had to weigh in at 1920lbs without driver, but turbo engined dragsters had to add 100lbs. and even then the potential was there that even with as much as 300 extra lbs of weight, the turbo dragsters were faster. in formula one the turbo 4's were making better than 1000hp from 1.5 liter engines, they were turbo'ed.
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Old 31 Oct 2007, 10:42 am
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A turbocharger is more efficient for the automobile, it actually helps the engine alot more then people think, however the supercharger can keep offering more and more power even more then your engine could handle, so if you decide to get the supercharger you might have to do some inner engine modifications as well, and the turbo you will want to get a pressure test done to the engine, but all around the turbos are alot cheaper and produce a heavy kick in the a$$....
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Old 31 Oct 2007, 10:45 am
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everybody that answered had a real good reason for your question. but short and sweet turbo would be your best bet especially if you lookin for a good bit of power and mabye more later down the road. but supercharger would still be good for a street s2000 but once you feel that power you gonna want more and its easier to get more hp out of a turbo then supercharger
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Old 31 Oct 2007, 10:48 am
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what power do you want out of your car is the question. i own a turbo s and a turbo civic, so of course im going to say turbo but i choose this for a reason. you wont make alot of power with a supercharger. you will get 300whp with a bolt on vortech maybe a more maybe less depends on supporting mods. if your looking for more above 400whp closer to 500whp go with a turbo set up and thats on stock motor with a 3mm head gasket and arp headstuds is how easy it is to make that power. tuning is key for your car.rather you supercharge or turbo your s. it what makes or breaks a car. bad tune, theres your detonation melted pistons etc etc. good tune your golden. i only deal with full race products for turbo products. there web site is www.full-race.com. now everyone will say turbo lag. and yea they lag when there a thrust bearing turbo and are huge. i have dual ball bearing gt series turbos on my car. my civic is at full boost by 3000rpm with a gt28rs and my s is full boost by 3500rpm with the gt3071, not really lag there. proof on power is at evans-tuning.com for any non believers out there under the forums. have fun either choice you will have a blast
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how about a 50 shot of "NOS".
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