Honda Car Forum


 

Go Back   Honda Car Forum - Accord Parts Civic Tuning Acura Racing > Discussion > Honda Technical


Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1 (permalink)  
Old 16 Oct 2007, 03:30 pm
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 1
Default WHAT ARE THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN i-DSI AND V-TEC ENGINE?

WHAT ARE THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN i-DSI AND V-TEC ENGINE?
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #2 (permalink)  
Old 16 Oct 2007, 03:33 pm
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 186
Default

(dual and sequential ignition) is i-dsi (Variable Valve Timing and Lift Electronic Control) is v-tecFOUND THIS IT SHOULD HELP new engine for Honda Jazz Honda's New Jazz, which made its debut at the Frankfurt Motor Show in September and also wowed showgoers at Tokyo last month, is packed with technical innovation, including a revolutionary new powertrain. The engines form the second wave of the new generation of i-series units, which already includes the 200bhp, 2.0-litre i-VTEC fitted to the Civic Type-R.Called i-DSI (dual and sequential ignition), the powerplant comes in both 1.2 and 1.4-litre versions and uses a radical new twin-spark ignition system with just two valves per cylinder. It improves efficiency and power while reducing fuel consumption and emissions. W hen fuel and air enters the cylinder of an engine through the inlet valve, designers concentrate on optimising the swirl of the mixture to ensure fuel is atomised thoroughly and evenly. But however well the combustion chamber has been designed, the amount of swirl varies depending on revs and throttle opening. To overcome this, the i-DSI engine fires its two sparking plugs at different times to ensure the mixture burns thoroughly whatever the prevailing conditions. At lower engine speeds, the spark plug nearest the inlet valve is fired much earlier than usual while the plug nearest the exhaust valve is fired later than usual. At higher rpm, the sparks are fired simultaneously.T New i-DSI engine uses twin spark to improve power and reduce fuel consumption he benefit of controlling the timing of each plug individually is that it increases cylinder pressure as the fuel burns and also allows a high compression ratio of 10.8:1 without causing any engine knocking. Honda claims that efficiency levels of the new engines are approaching those of a modern, direct-injection diesel. Both meet 2005 EU IV emissions standards, the 1.2-litre engine achieving 18.8kpl on the combined cycle and the 1.4 18.2kpl. Power is impressive, too: the 1.2 delivers 77bhp and 11.3kgm torque, and the 1.4 82bhp and 12.3kgm. The CO2 outputs are 126gm/km and 131gm/km. The engines are robustly constructed with rigid blocks and several heavy-duty components to absorb the additional noise created by the high cylinder pressures. Even so, they weigh eight percent less than the 1.3-litre Logo engine and are shorter and narrower. Early cars have five-speed manual gearboxes, but a new semi-automatic seven-speed continuously variable transmission (CVT) is on the way.Main > Auto > Under the Hood PRINT EMAIL What does the VTEC system in a Honda engine do? If you have read How Car Engines Work, you know about the valves that let air into the engine and let exhaust out of the engine. You also know about the camshaft that controls the valves. The camshaft uses rotating lobes that push against the valves to open and close them. This animation from How Camshafts Work can help you understand how the camshaft opens and closes the valves: It turns out that there is significant relationship between the way the lobes are ground on the camshaft and the way the engine performs in different rpm (rotations per minute) ranges. To understand why this is the case, imagine that we are running an engine extremely slowly -- at just 10 or 20 rpm, so it takes the piston seconds to complete a cycle. It would be impossible to actually run a normal engine this slowly, but imagine that we could. We would want to grind the camshaft so that, just as the piston starts moving downward in the intake stroke, the intake valve would open. The intake valve would close right as the piston bottoms out. Then the exhaust valve would open right as the piston bottoms out at the end of the combustion stroke and would close as the piston completes the exhaust stroke. That would work great for the engine as long as it ran at this very slow speed. When you increase the rpm, however, this configuration for the camshaft does not work well. If the engine is running at 4,000 rpm, the valves are opening and closing 2,000 times every minute, or thirty to fourty times every second. When the intake valve opens right at the top of the intake stroke, it turns out that the piston has a lot of trouble getting the air moving into the cylinder in the short time available (a fraction of a second). Therefore, at higher rpm ranges you want the intake valve to open prior to the intake stroke -- actually back in the exhaust stroke -- so that by the time the piston starts moving downward in the intake stroke, the valve is open and air moves freely into the cylinder during the entire intake stroke. This is something of a simplification, but you get the idea. For maximum engine performance at low engine speeds, the valves need to open and close differently than they do at higher engine speeds. If you put in a good low-speed camshaft, it hurts the engine's performance at high speeds, and if you put in a good high-speed camshaft it hurts the engine's performance at low speeds (and in extreme cases can make it very hard to start the engine!). VTEC (which stands for Variable Valve Timing and Lift Electronic Control) is an electronic and mechanical system in some Honda engines that allows the engine to effectively have multiple camshafts. As the engine moves into different rpm ranges, the engine's computer can activate alternate lobes on the camshaft and change the cam's timing. In this way, the engine gets the best features of low-speed and high-speed camshafts in the same engine. Several of the links below go into the actual mechanics of the VTEC system if you are interested. Several engine manufacturers are experimenting with systems that would allow infinite variability in valve timing. For example, imagine that each valve had a solenoid on it that could open and close the valve under computer control rather than relying on a camshaft. With this type of system, you would get maximum engine performance at every rpm range. Something to look forward to in the future
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #3 (permalink)  
Old 16 Oct 2007, 03:36 pm
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 108
Default

VTEC is AMAZING!!p.s. what that other guy said
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #4 (permalink)  
Old 16 Oct 2007, 03:42 pm
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 594
Default

alot
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
What is the differences between 2000 Civic EX and SI ? joe_wong321 Honda Technical 3 26 Sep 2007 10:08 am
Differences between '03 TL and TL-S? Baby Boy Acura Technical 3 20 Aug 2007 06:10 pm
engine differences jim beam Honda 3 0 01 Jan 2005 11:27 pm
Differences between 2004 & 2005 TL General Schvantzkoph Acura 3 20 Sep 2004 08:14 pm
'91 Accord Igniter Differences Phil Honda 2 1 29 Nov 2003 07:49 pm


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 05:48 pm.


Attribution:
Honda News | Autoblog
Powered by Yahoo Answers

Archive: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 53 54 55 56 57 58 59 60 61 62 63 64 65 66 67 68 69 70 71 72 73 74 75 76 77 78 79 80 81 82 83 84 85 86 87 88 89 90 91 92 93 94 95 96 97 98 99 100 101 102 103 104 105 106 107 108 109 110 111 112 113 114 115 116 117 118 119 120 121 122 123 124 125 126 127 128 129 130 131 132 133 134 135 136 137 138 139 140 141 142 143 144 145 146 147 148 149 150 151 152 153 154 155 156 157 158 159 160 161 162 163 164 165 166 167 168 169 170 171 172 173 174 175 176 177 178 179 180 181 182 183 184 185 186 187 188 189 190 191 192 193 194 195 196 197 198 199 200 201 202 203 204 205 206 207 208 209 210 211 212 213 214 215 216 217 218 219 220 221 222 223 224 225 226 227 228 229 230 231 232 233 234 235 236 237 238 239 240 241 242 243 244 245 246 247 248 249 250 251 252 253 254 255 256 257 258 259 260 261 262 263 264 265 266 267 268 269 270 271 272 273 274 275 276 277 278 279 280 281 282 283 284 285 286 287 288 289 290 291 292 293 294 295 296 297 298 299 300 301 302 303 304 305 306 307 308 309 310 311 312 313 314 315 316 317 318 319 320 321 322 323 324 325 326 327 328 329 330 331 332 333 334 335 336 337 338 339 340 341 342 343 344 345 346 347 348 349 350 351 352 353 354 355 356 357 358 359 360 361 362 363 364 365 366 367 368 369 370 371 372 373 374 375 376 377 378 379 380 381 382 383 384 385 386 387 388 389 390 391 392 393 394 395 396 397 398 399 400 401 402 403 404 405 406 407 408 409 410 411 412 413 414 415 416 417 418 419 420 421 422 423 424 425 426 427 428 429 430 431 432 433 434 435 436 437 438 439 440 441 442 443 444 445 446 447 448 449 450 451 452 453 454



Powered by vBulletin®
Copyright ©2000 - 2012, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
LinkBacks Enabled by vBSEO 3.3.2 © 2009, Crawlability, Inc.
HondaCarForum.com is not affiliated with Honda Motor Company in any way. Honda Motor Company does not sponsor, support, or endorse HondaCarForum.com in any way. Copyright/trademark/sales mark infringements are not intended or implied.