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Old 22 Sep 2007, 05:16 pm
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Default I have a 94 VTEC accord and wanted to know if i could swap the engine with a supra's twin...

...turbo engine?
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Old 22 Sep 2007, 05:20 pm
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Well, considering a Honda is, well, a HONDA and a Toyota is a TOYOTA, I would go under the immediate assumption of no.You may be able to fit the engine in there, but the problem that you are going to run into is the way that the Honda is constructed for tubes, piping, and everything that you have to hook to the body to make the engine work. An Accord, at best, is supposed to fit a 6 Cylinder engine. A Supra's engine is going to be larger than that of an Accord, and, again, the engines are going to be constructed so differently that I highly doubt you would be able to just "throw" a Supra motor in there.BTW, No offense, but why would you want to do something so horrid as defacing a fantastic engine as such by putting it into a crappy @S$ body? If you are going to shell out the money for an engine, you're better off saving a few pennies, buy a non-turbo Supra and geeking it out yourself (with help, of course).Hope this helps.
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Old 22 Sep 2007, 05:28 pm
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You sir, are a ricer. It is obvious you have no knowledge of cars. Sure, fit a twin turbo, inline-6 REAR DRIVE motor in your front drive family car. When you're done, you should take a LS1 and put it in a Kia Sophia.retard.
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Old 22 Sep 2007, 05:35 pm
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If you have an unlimited budget then the answer is yes. That is becasue you are going to require every bit of some very exstensive modication to the unibody to get everything to work. Pretty much every part the unibody is going to need to cut and fabricated.First off you will have to modify the engine bay to fit the 2JZGTTE motor and 6 Speed transmission. The firewall will have to be cut and the exhaust well will have to cut and refabbed just to fit teh transmission under the car. This is going to change the interior of the car and will most likely require a custom built dash and/or exstensive modification to get it to fit over the new tunnel. The seat brackets will also have to be refabbed to fit Im sure.Also the entire rearend of the car is going to be cut and fabricated to support a new rear suspension system and be able to house the new axle assembly.This is not a feasible project. The entire geometry of the car will change and you will have to figure out that geometry just to build a suspension system to support the vehicle under all condtions.Also a completly new fuel system will have to be fabricated. Because you will no longer have the undercar fuel tank. You will have to place a smaller capacity fuel cell in the trunk with which there will be less space there also. Running new fuel lines and all.Im not even going to get into the wiring nightmare that it will be. Building practically a brand new harness from a old 2JZ harness. No thanks.Everything about this project is completely a pipe dream to be honest with you.So can it be done, yes it can if you have a unlimited budget becasue thats what its gonna take.Other than that the answer is No.
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Old 22 Sep 2007, 05:36 pm
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Like most of the others said Its just too costly ! were you thinking of using the AWD drive train?Not really sure why you wouldn't Just throw in a 1996-2000Civic V-tec engine head on a 1996-1998 B20 CRV engine , I heard of people doing this and it's a very powerfull engine and its front wheel drive and would require little modification to get in !The B20 engine is the newcomer in the game and is highly acclaimed by its supporters. It has several key characteristics that give this engine real potential no matter what route you decide to persue. The B20B came on the 1996-1998 CRV and the B20Z came on 1999-2000 CRV. The B20B made 126 hp but the real jewel was the 133lbs of torque that was easily achieved almost anywhere in the RPM band. It is a small displacement engine that has flat torque line!!! Additionally it was a comparatively low compression engine which means that turbocharging to decent levels is possible without the need to spend hundreds on rods or pistons. The B20Z was more or less the same as the B20B but they changed several head characteristics and the compression was bumped up to increase the horsepower to 146.There are really two choices for dealing the B20 as far as power goes. You could leave it as is and simply swap the head for B16 model. The cylinder head on the B20B model (particularly the tall intake manifold) doesn't clear the hoodline of the civic, which is ok since the B16 head swap will add Vtec abilities and increased power. OR you could go about what is called a CR-VTEC conversion. This is what I consider to be the ultimate engine build-up for civics’. You can check out www.crvtec.com for details. The first thing you need to know about B-series engine (B18, B16, B20) is that they all have, for the most part, interchangeable engine parts. So the CRVTEC buildup basically consists of taking the best parts of all the engines and making an unprecedented Frankenstein of motor that has a perfect Rod to Stroke ratio of near 1.75 which allows for great naturally aspirated performance (A HUGE redline) or the ability to turbocharge the engine to very large proportions without worrying about engine stability. It is unfortunately rather expensive but this setup will take you anywhere you want to go. The simple B20/B16 swap costs as follows: $1000-$1500 for the B20 short block, +/- $600 for the B16 head, +/- $300 for the B16 ECU + tranny and other small parts. Unless you’re simply happy with the stock B20 swap, the only reasons it should be considered are CRVTEC conversions or Forced Induction. The aftermarket support isn’t as plentiful for the B20 as it is for the other engine mentioned so any engine upgrades usually come from other B series or upgraded aftermarket parts for other B series. Which is more less slowly building a CRVTEC engine. But I still highly recommend this engine for the best bang for the buck power adder. Now HERE'S where the real deal is. Since the giraffe intake on the B20B doesn't clear the hood, the head has to be swapped anyways, so you could use any of the choices above as well for the B20Z. My personal favorite, you swap in a B20 with lots of usable torque, then you swap in a modded B16 head and make a few ECU changes, like rev limiter and now you have lots of torque with Vtec high end and an 8000 redline. Or the low compression rate allows for decent turbocharging and you can achieve great heights with the B16 head flowOR you could go with one im not to familiar with but is supossed to have even more power?A H23 block with an H22 head swap. It makes for great Vtec high end and the larger displacement block makes for the biggest torque . From talks with several veteran H22 swappers I can give you the overall driving opinion. To make the swap work, first off the springs and shocks in the front need to be stiffened to appropriately handle the extra weight. The overall suspension tuning should concentrate on trying to create heavy oversteer to offset the natural understeer problem the extra weight will create. There is another way to offset the understeer problem but most ppl don't want to go through with it. It involves placing a few hundred pounds of weight in the trunk to even out the weight distribution. But most ppl want to go the other way by stripping everything out of the interior, effectively making it worse. The cooling system will amazingly enough be fine for about 75% of the time. However, on hot days or with spirited driving, the engine can start to overheat itself. An extra wide Integra radiator can be swapped in for about $100 that will provide all the extra cooling you need. You can learn about it here: http://www.hybrid.honda-perf.org/tech/jsrad/jsrad.html. If you have the extra money, you could swap in an all aluminum thick ass racing radiator with a smaller and more efficient fan and for extra insurance, a low temperature thermostat (160 degree rather than 180) could be replaced. Considering you no longer have air-conditioning the extra space that was once used by the AC condenser could be put to good use and it could be used for an external oil cooler. With this setup you could go uphill mountain racing without fear overheating. The braking system for the most part could work but if you really want to trust your life to stock system, be my guest. If you'd like to upgrade it, the cheap way is to replace the rotors for better heat dissipation (You could either get stock sized cross-drilled or slotted rotors, or you could opt for a bigger rotor kit that uses a relocated bracket so you can use the stock calipers) better brake pads and rear brake disk swap if not already equipped .If you have some money, you could get a 4-piston caliper upgrade with extra large rotors with great pads. Just the thing to stop you at 150 mph. If you do opt for the bigger rotor upgrade, remember that the stock wheels will no longer fit over the larger brakes. Some systems suggest 16” or larger.































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Old 22 Sep 2007, 05:40 pm
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A dumb idea. The Supra is an inline 6 and won't fit in the Accords engine compartment.
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Wow...I'm very impressed by the answers above. Good job.I completely agree with them. It can be done, but it's going to cost you A LOT of money. The 2JZ engines are meant to be in Supras (or the older Lexus SC). You have many options to go with the Accord here...B18C from the Integra GSR, H22 from the Prelude, or that Civic vtec head + B20 block combo. They all cost nickels and dimes compared to the fabs required to fit the 2JZ into the Accord.If you like the Supra engine so much, why not sell the accord and get a Supra or Lexus SC?
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