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Old 09 Aug 2013, 07:33 pm
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Default Changed brake pads and calipers, still no stopping power. 88 accord?

Hi, so. I am posting this on behalf of my husband as he is at work and we have limited internet access. I will post as many details as I can post, and will be back to answer questions as well.































Anyways, I have an 88 Honda Accord. A few weeks ago my car starting having issues trying to start and sometimes wouldn't start at all and would have to be push-started. Then, it went out all together. Prior to that the brakes we're also starting to squeak and starting to go out also. So, we bought front brake pads and a new starter. After replacing the starter, and getting it back up to running and starting order, we replaced the brake pads. We bled the breaks with a large container of brake fluid and a small one but we did not bleed the back brakes only the front.































I am not a car person (well, that well) but I am assuming they were bled thoroughly as they went through an entire large container as well as a small one and the fluid was coming out clean.































When we put the brake pads on and went to do a test drive there was almost no stopping power at all and to get the little that was present I had to pump the brakes a bit and stop very very slowly and carefully. The guy said our caliper on the driver side was shot and the one on the passengers side is not far behind and that could be why my brakes aren't working properly. So, I called trusty autozone (the cash sink experts) and ordered the calipers, went and got them this morning and had the guy replace them. (both sides)































After that was said and done, I went on a test drive. The brakes are a definite improvement, but still require me to press the pedal to floor and sometimes I still have to pump them to get them up to par. However compared to how they felt before the car broke down and before I did any work to it (even with the bad brake pads) they are still not any where close to what they should be. Even with the squeaky old worn down pads I had SIGNIFICANTLY more stopping power.































We have also looked at the back brakes, (drum) which need new shoes, but they are holding up well enough that that shouldn't be what is causing the significant change in braking and stopping power.































I also need new rotors, though according to my mechanic they are still okay to get by for now (however I intend on replacing them with my next paycheck.) could that be what is causing my problems?































Any insight, tips, suggestions, questions, helpful tidbits, anything would be greatly appreciated.































I'm really hoping it isn't my master cylinder as those are a little more expensive than the annoying amount of money i've already put into this car.































Thanks in advance.
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Old 09 Aug 2013, 07:46 pm
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It sounds like your master cylinder is bad.
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Old 09 Aug 2013, 08:05 pm
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Only component left is the master cylinder. Sorry but thats it.
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Old 09 Aug 2013, 08:16 pm
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It sounds like there is still air in the system. You need to bleed the brakes in this order, mastercylinder, then the furthermost wheel from the mastercylinder, then work your way to the closest wheel to the mastercylinder.































All 4 wheels including the mastercylinder need bled.
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Old 09 Aug 2013, 08:46 pm
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You mentioned you had a mechanic assess it. So, did he do the work. If you do not know how to do the work then you give it to someone who is trained in mechanics.































IF he DID do the work, then make sure to include his shop in the lawsuit you will be filing against him for allowing a untrustworthy vehicle to leave his shop. "It is his responsibility to make sure everything is good"































This gets away from anybody putting an auto repair sign over their gararge. If the dude don't know, he should not be allowed to touch it. You do not need to pay people to break it. You can do that yourself, for free, right?>>>We have also looked at the back brakes, (drum) which need new shoes, but they are holding up well enough that that shouldn't be what is causing the significant change in braking and stopping power.
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Old 09 Aug 2013, 09:01 pm
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i would try to bleed the brakes again.















not unlikely a brake master cylinder fail just doing a brake job
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