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CASH FOR CLUNKERS CHAOS
Clunker system crashes again, NADA may seek deadline extension
Neil Roland
Automotive News
August 25, 2009 - 2:52 pm ET

WASHINGTON -- The government's cash-for-clunkers computer system
for dealers crashed again this afternoon, a National Automobile
Dealers Association spokesman said.

"C. E. White" <cewhite3@removemindspring.com> wrote in news:4a943973
@kcnews01:

> CASH FOR CLUNKERS CHAOS
> Clunker system crashes again, NADA may seek deadline extension
> Neil Roland
> Automotive News
> August 25, 2009 - 2:52 pm ET
>
> WASHINGTON -- The government's cash-for-clunkers computer system
> for dealers crashed again this afternoon, a National Automobile
> Dealers Association spokesman said.
>
>
>
>

Bammer can't do nothin' right.

On 2009-08-25 12:19:52 -0700, "C. E. White"
<cewhite3@removemindspring.com> said:

> CASH FOR CLUNKERS CHAOS
> Clunker system crashes again, NADA may seek deadline extension
> Neil Roland
> Automotive News
> August 25, 2009 - 2:52 pm ET
>
> WASHINGTON -- The government's cash-for-clunkers computer system
> for dealers crashed again this afternoon, a National Automobile
> Dealers Association spokesman said.

Excellent. I'm guessing their bots couldn't handle infecting the
electorate using the system.

"C. E. White" <cewhite3@removemindspring.com> wrote in message
news:4a943973@kcnews01...
> CASH FOR CLUNKERS CHAOS
> Clunker system crashes again, NADA may seek deadline extension
> Neil Roland
> Automotive News
> August 25, 2009 - 2:52 pm ET
>
> WASHINGTON -- The government's cash-for-clunkers computer system for
> dealers crashed again this afternoon, a National Automobile Dealers
> Association spokesman said.
>


Yeah, these sure are the guys I want handling my healthcare....

On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 18:04:54 -0400, "William Munny"
<bill@bigwhiskey.org> wrote:

>"C. E. White" <cewhite3@removemindspring.com> wrote in message
>news:4a943973@kcnews01...
>> CASH FOR CLUNKERS CHAOS
>> Clunker system crashes again, NADA may seek deadline extension
>> Neil Roland
>> Automotive News
>> August 25, 2009 - 2:52 pm ET
>>
>> WASHINGTON -- The government's cash-for-clunkers computer system for
>> dealers crashed again this afternoon, a National Automobile Dealers
>> Association spokesman said.
>>
>
>
>Yeah, these sure are the guys I want handling my healthcare....
>

I would imagine that the people who set up the system were private
contractors that the gvt paid to do the work. If that's the case then
it is private industry that is not up to the task and it would have
been better for the gvt to have done it themselves, if they wanted it
done right.

> Yeah, these sure are the guys I want handling my healthcare....

I'm guessing that whoever set up the C4C servers had little time to
actually design anything and no clue (who did?) about its popularity,
though of course bad architecture or bad coding could also play into
it.

My experience as a client of private-sector insurance, and some
closely observed vicarious experiences with the provider side of the
health care business, suggests that medical billing is seldom done
well by anybody in the sense of either process design or day-to-day
work. Back-office chaos seems to come with the territory, and
except for islands of excellence (or at least islands of competence)
I'm not sure whether any of the parties to the transaction --
patients, providers, or insurers -- are really satisfied with the way
it works now.

Sometimes I wonder if anybody really fully understands the systems and
the rules they are supposed to implement, except of course for the
overarching principle that "a motion to partly or wholly deny a claim
for something that the patient and/or care provider thought would be
covered is always in order." If Dante lived today, I'm sure that in
some vestibule near the gates of Hell, some category of minor sinners
would spend eternity going over Explanations of Benefit (EOBs) with
confused elderly relatives on fixed incomes.

For sure one of the more attractive aspects of a single-payer,
universal-coverage scheme (or collection of schemes that are
tantamount to it) is the simplicity as viewed by the poor pilgrim
with the bag of ice on his head and the thermometer in his mouth...

What we've got now is complicated (with the implication of a lot of
heat-loss in the machinery), expensive, and yet leaves a lot of people
with sham coverage or none at all, especially in times of widespread
job loss. I'm not sure any particular reform proposal really has it
nailed, but there's got to be something better than this...
--Joe

"William Munny" <bill@bigwhiskey.org> wrote in message
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> "C. E. White" <cewhite3@removemindspring.com> wrote in message
> news:4a943973@kcnews01...
>> CASH FOR CLUNKERS CHAOS
>> Clunker system crashes again, NADA may seek deadline extension
>> Neil Roland
>> Automotive News
>> August 25, 2009 - 2:52 pm ET
>>
>> WASHINGTON -- The government's cash-for-clunkers computer system for
>> dealers crashed again this afternoon, a National Automobile Dealers
>> Association spokesman said.
>>
>
>
> Yeah, these sure are the guys I want handling my healthcare....

How many of you people who are complaining about universal healthcare don't
actually *have* health care at this time, due to financial reasons?

"80 Knight" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in
news:eOSdndcL6cS28AjXnZ2dnUVZ_s6dnZ2d@giganews.com :

> "William Munny" <bill@bigwhiskey.org> wrote in message
> news:h71n64$k7d$1@news.albasani.net...
>> "C. E. White" <cewhite3@removemindspring.com> wrote in message
>> news:4a943973@kcnews01...
>>> CASH FOR CLUNKERS CHAOS
>>> Clunker system crashes again, NADA may seek deadline extension
>>> Neil Roland
>>> Automotive News
>>> August 25, 2009 - 2:52 pm ET
>>>
>>> WASHINGTON -- The government's cash-for-clunkers computer
>>> system for
>>> dealers crashed again this afternoon, a National Automobile
>>> Dealers Association spokesman said.
>>>
>>
>>
>> Yeah, these sure are the guys I want handling my healthcare....
>
> How many of you people who are complaining about universal
> healthcare don't actually *have* health care at this time, due
> to financial reasons?

I don't have a lot of things due to financial reasons. Does that
mean other tax payers should buy those things for me?

"80 Knight" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:eOSdndcL6cS28AjXnZ2dnUVZ_s6dnZ2d@giganews.com ...
> "William Munny" <bill@bigwhiskey.org> wrote in message
> news:h71n64$k7d$1@news.albasani.net...
>> "C. E. White" <cewhite3@removemindspring.com> wrote in message
>> news:4a943973@kcnews01...
>>> CASH FOR CLUNKERS CHAOS
>>> Clunker system crashes again, NADA may seek deadline extension
>>> Neil Roland
>>> Automotive News
>>> August 25, 2009 - 2:52 pm ET
>>>
>>> WASHINGTON -- The government's cash-for-clunkers computer
>>> system for dealers crashed again this afternoon, a National
>>> Automobile Dealers Association spokesman said.
>>>
>>
>>
>> Yeah, these sure are the guys I want handling my healthcare....
>
> How many of you people who are complaining about universal
> healthcare don't actually *have* health care at this time, due to
> financial reasons?

I try to avoid these off topic discussions, but I have to throw in my
two cents worth here...

The US already has a National Health Care System, a private /
goverment / no care system. It is the most expensive, most
inefficient, and most unfair in the developed world. If our current
National Health Care System had the best care, I suppose it could be
excused, but by most measures, it is a failure. We have the highest
death rate among babies in the developed world, we have the lowest
life expectancies in the developed world, and we have the highest
percentage of uncovered people in the developed world.

If you are very rich or running an insurance compnay our current
National Health Care System is terrific. If you are very poor, you
probably can get treatment for injuries but no preventive care. If you
are in the middle, you are paying through the nose for mediocre care.

I often hear people rant about how they don't want government
burecrats making health care choices for them. OK I can see this, but
a lot of these same people are willing to let Health Insurance
Industry Burecrats make those decisions for them. I fail to see the
difference. If anything, I'd rather have governement burecrats making
the decisions.

I often hear people rant that they don't want the government rationing
health care, but many of these same people have their care rationed by
the Heath Insurance Industry.

I often hear people rant that they don't want the government imposing
new taxes but these same people are paying directly (or indirectly
through their employers) extremely high premiums for mediocre care.

I have a hard time understanding all the outrage against a goverment
administered National Health Care System. I can't see it being any
worse that our Current Government / Insurance Industry / Drug Company
dominated system. Do you really think the people running Blue Cross /
Blue Shield; Cigna; GSK, etc., etc. have your best intrest at heart?
Do you think they are less like than the government to extort money
from you to run the system? Take a look at the salaries for the
medical industry executives....then tell me they have your best
interest at heart.

Dwight Eisenhower warned about the Military Industrial Complex. I
think we now need to worry about the Medical Industry / Drug Company
Complex.

People like Rush Limbaugh are tools of the evil rich. He does provide
one good piece of advice - "follow the money." In the case of the
health care debate this is very good advice. It seems to me Rush and
his ilk are either idiots or evil. Take your pick.

Ed

"Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS" <xeton2001@yahoo.com> wrote in
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> "C. E. White" <cewhite3@removemindspring.com> wrote in news:4a943973
> @kcnews01:
>
>> CASH FOR CLUNKERS CHAOS
>> Clunker system crashes again, NADA may seek deadline extension
>> Neil Roland
>> Automotive News
>> August 25, 2009 - 2:52 pm ET
>>
>> WASHINGTON -- The government's cash-for-clunkers computer system
>> for dealers crashed again this afternoon, a National Automobile
>> Dealers Association spokesman said.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> Bammer can't do nothin' right.

Double negative. Says it all.