Honda Car Forum

On Jun 10, 10:52*am, Zephyr <davedejo...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Jun 8, 5:56*pm, ACAR <gmw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Jun 7, 7:34*pm, "Gh0stRid3r" <nos...@nospam.net> wrote:
> > snip
>
> > > Has anyone else experienced tire issues or other problems with their CRV
> > > like this?
>
> > Honda vs Toyota
>
> > Honda cars handle better than Toyota cars, in general. And Honda
> > drivers tend to drive their cars harder and wear out tires and brakes
> > faster. That said, Honda brakes are some of the worst and Toyotas some
> > of the best with respect to durability. Friends of mine with a CRV
> > also remarked about poor tire wear. They needed more room and bought
> > an AWD Sienna which they say is superior in every way except mpg.
>
> ??
>
> your being sarcastic right?
>
> honda's handle better than toyotas?

that's not what I said.

but feel free to rant away and tell us about how well that old 4Runner
handles.
heh.

On Fri, 12 Jun 2009 01:20:49 +0000 (UTC), fred <fred@bedrock.rock> wrote:
>ACAR <gmwohl@gmail.com> wrote in
>news:fad86742-a6df-4074-8389-5e6b31d66bb8@w3g2000yqf.googlegroups.com:

>> On Jun 8, 10:30?pm, jim beam <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> eh? ?then they must be total freds.
>>
>> well, in fact they are.
>>
>>> ?crv beats the sienna on handling any day.
>>
>> define "better handling" for family oriented vehicles.
>>
>maximum lateral G without tiping over, same as anything.

That a really crappy definition. I car that is really really grippy,
but impossible to control will qualify by your definition as having
great handling.


Great handling means remaining in control and being able to precisely
control the car even during agressive maneuvering. The car shouldn't
roll excesively, it should go where you would expect it to,
and it should remain predictable during hard braking or acceleration.

On Jun 11, 10:26*pm, AZ Nomad <aznoma...@PremoveOBthisOX.COM> wrote:
>>
> Great handling means remaining in control and being able to precisely
> control the car even during agressive maneuvering. *The car shouldn't
> roll excesively, it should go where you would expect it to,
> and it should remain predictable during hard braking or acceleration.

and given the average skill level of your typical family car driver, I
think it's safe to say that in their hands the CRV and Sienna deliver
just about the same level of handling.

AZ Nomad <aznomad.3@PremoveOBthisOX.COM> wrote in
news:slrnh33f66.hbn.aznomad.3@ip70-176-155-130.ph.ph.cox.net:

> On Fri, 12 Jun 2009 01:20:49 +0000 (UTC), fred <fred@bedrock.rock>
> wrote:
>>ACAR <gmwohl@gmail.com> wrote in
>>news:fad86742-a6df-4074-8389-5e6b31d66bb8@w3g2000yqf.googlegroups.com:
>
>>> On Jun 8, 10:30?pm, jim beam <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> eh? ?then they must be total freds.
>>>
>>> well, in fact they are.
>>>
>>>> ?crv beats the sienna on handling any day.
>>>
>>> define "better handling" for family oriented vehicles.
>>>
>>maximum lateral G without tiping over, same as anything.
>
> That a really crappy definition.

Nope. It's the classic race car definition of the term.

> I car that is really really grippy,

???

> but impossible to control will qualify by your definition as having
> great handling.

Impossible to control at high speed and *very* fast turns you mean by
definition. Entirely dependent on the driver.

>
>
> Great handling means remaining in control and being able to precisely
> control the car even during agressive maneuvering.

Again control depends of the ability (or lack thereof) of the driver.

> The car shouldn't
> roll excesively, it should go where you would expect it to,
> and it should remain predictable during hard braking or acceleration.

Those are only factors that determine lateral G, hence are redundant.
Acceleration (postive and negative) in the direction of movement are
completely beside the point. Lateral G is commonly measured most accurately
on a skid pad in a constant radius turn while *slowly* gaining speed.