Honda Car Forum

"Conscience" <nobama@göv.com> wrote in message
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> On 2009-05-09 12:31:30 -0700, aemeijers <aemeijers@att.net> said:
>
>> Call a spade a spade- this is welfare for the car companies and
>> vote-buying from the people that would get the rebates, nothing more. And
>> they are doing it with MY money, as usual.
>
> No more than this needs to be said.
>
> --
> "The highest glory of the American Revolution was this: 'It connected in
> one indissoluble bond the principles of civil government with the
> principles of Christianity.' " -- John Adams

Not much Christianity left in government. I think god wanted people to
repect each other. Now that the tax system is used to steal from people by
corrupt auto, perhaps another revolution is required? If nothing else so
the majority is heard and not herd.

And shutting up about it is what the plutocrats and corrupt want. But some
of us will not comply, GM is a company of theives who don't pay their bills
but expect others too. Just a bunch of whiny welchers.

People should write their representatives and tell them to cut the bailout
corruption or else.

"News" <News@Group.name> wrote in message
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>
>
> Conscience wrote:
>> On 2009-05-09 12:31:30 -0700, aemeijers <aemeijers@att.net> said:
>>
>>> Call a spade a spade- this is welfare for the car companies and
>>> vote-buying from the people that would get the rebates, nothing more.
>>> And they are doing it with MY money, as usual.
>>
>> No more than this needs to be said.
>>
>
>
> So go buy a beater and play the game. Get some of "your" money back.

But can we buy an imported one without CAW/UAW parts in it? I don't like to
support those who will steal from my family via taxes. Or is our right to
choose being hampered? A form of corruption and market rigging for loosers
like GM?

Heck, even with $3500 off, I wouldn't want a vehicle assembled in the midst
of part shortages, labour disputes, fixed at the dealer... besides a
relative just had the notoriusly common manifold issue and found out their
GM needs $1600 to fix, out of warranty of course. Once they fix/sell it, no
more GMs left in the family. LOL.

On Sat, 9 May 2009 14:12:15 -0600, "Canuck57" <dave@nospam.net> wrote:

>
>"Conscience" <nobama@göv.com> wrote in message
>news:gu4mkh$ldf$2@news.albasani.net...
>> On 2009-05-09 12:31:30 -0700, aemeijers <aemeijers@att.net> said:
>>
>>> Call a spade a spade- this is welfare for the car companies and
>>> vote-buying from the people that would get the rebates, nothing more. And
>>> they are doing it with MY money, as usual.
>>
>> No more than this needs to be said.
>>
>> --
>> "The highest glory of the American Revolution was this: 'It connected in
>> one indissoluble bond the principles of civil government with the
>> principles of Christianity.' " -- John Adams
>
>Not much Christianity left in government. I think god wanted people to
>repect each other.

Yep. And devil has you doing his bidding.
Repent!

--Vic

On 2009-05-09 12:50:38 -0700, News <News@Group.name> said:

>
>
> Conscience wrote:
>> On 2009-05-09 12:31:30 -0700, aemeijers <aemeijers@att.net> said:
>>
>>> Call a spade a spade- this is welfare for the car companies and
>>> vote-buying from the people that would get the rebates, nothing more.
>>> And they are doing it with MY money, as usual.
>>
>> No more than this needs to be said.
>>
>
>
> So go buy a beater and play the game. Get some of "your" money back.

No thanks. I'll leave the unscrupulous to those who carry it well.

After all, they "earned" it, right?

--
"The highest glory of the American Revolution was this: 'It connected
in one indissoluble bond the principles of civil government with the
principles of Christianity.' " -- John Adams

On 2009-05-09 13:12:15 -0700, "Canuck57" <dave@nospam.net> said:

>
> "Conscience" <nobama@göv.com> wrote in message
> news:gu4mkh$ldf$2@news.albasani.net...
>> On 2009-05-09 12:31:30 -0700, aemeijers <aemeijers@att.net> said:
>>
>>> Call a spade a spade- this is welfare for the car companies and
>>> vote-buying from the people that would get the rebates, nothing more. And
>>> they are doing it with MY money, as usual.
>>
>> No more than this needs to be said.
>>
>> --
>> "The highest glory of the American Revolution was this: 'It connected in
>> one indissoluble bond the principles of civil government with the
>> principles of Christianity.' " -- John Adams
>
> Not much Christianity left in government. I think god wanted people to
> repect each other. Now that the tax system is used to steal from people by
> corrupt auto, perhaps another revolution is required? If nothing else so
> the majority is heard and not herd.
>
> And shutting up about it is what the plutocrats and corrupt want. But some
> of us will not comply, GM is a company of theives who don't pay their bills
> but expect others too. Just a bunch of whiny welchers.
>
> People should write their representatives and tell them to cut the bailout
> corruption or else.

Nice thought, but as long as there are those who think the government
owes them something (other than honesty and representation), then these
individuals will keep voting for those who possess them as a power base.

--
"Providence has given to our people the choice of their rulers, and it
is the duty of our Christian nation to select and prefer Christians for
their rulers.� -- SCOTUS Chief Justice John Lay, 1816

In article
<cb292ff4-da5d-468f-b923-38ffa3e59818@b6g2000pre.googlegroups.com>,
johngdole@hotmail.com wrote:

> I think this is only for >10 year old cars/trucks?
>
> "Under the so-called cash-for-clunkers legislation, consumers with
> old, gas guzzlers could get $3,500 or $4,500 in government vouchers to
> use toward the purchase of new cars that get gas mileage that exceeds
> the old car's by four miles per gallon."
>
> http://money.cnn.com/2009/05/05/news.../index.htm?pos
> tversion=2009050518

A Yugo, I want a Yugo!!
--
"Barack Obama went to Harvard and became
an educated fool. Barack is a person who read about
the civil-rights protests and thinks he knows all
about it." Bobby Rush

johngdole@hotmail.com wrote:
> I think this is only for >10 year old cars/trucks?
>
> "Under the so-called cash-for-clunkers legislation, consumers with
> old, gas guzzlers could get $3,500 or $4,500 in government vouchers to
> use toward the purchase of new cars that get gas mileage that exceeds
> the old car's by four miles per gallon."
>
> http://money.cnn.com/2009/05/05/news...ion=2009050518
>

before y'all get too tangential, re-read the facts presented with a
little less slant:

"In the case of cars, the rebate will apply if the old vehicle achieves
less than 18 miles per gallon and the new one is rated at a minimum of
22 miles per gallon. The maximum rebate will apply if the fuel
efficiency of the new car is at least 10 miles per gallon higher than
the old one."

<http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/a848c080-39d7-11de-b82d-00144feabdc0.html>

my 20-year old civic auto has a 32+ mpg average over the last 4 years,
including some ignition and temp sensor problems and a bunch of high
speed freeway stuff. recent average mileage is in the high 35's. there
aren't many "new" cars going to better than that in real world mileage,
and certainly not by 10mpg.

"CharlesTheCurmudgeon" <n5hsr@comcast.net> wrote in message
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>
> <johngdole@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:cb292ff4-da5d-468f-b923-38ffa3e59818@b6g2000pre.googlegroups.com...
>>I think this is only for >10 year old cars/trucks?
>>
>> "Under the so-called cash-for-clunkers legislation, consumers with
>> old, gas guzzlers could get $3,500 or $4,500 in government vouchers to
>> use toward the purchase of new cars that get gas mileage that exceeds
>> the old car's by four miles per gallon."
>>
>> http://money.cnn.com/2009/05/05/news...ion=2009050518
>>
>
> This is a joke, right?
>
> In the Chicago area we hear ads on the radio for donating old cars all the
> time now, including the jack-off that sings "1-877-Kars-For-Kids" all the
> time. That, plus an emissions program that is designed to fail cars as
> soon as possible after 4 years, is designed to get people to stay in debt
> buying cars is already in place.
>
> Me, I'm driving a 14 year old Corolla. They made a change in the rules,
> no car prior to 1996 has to be emissions inspected anymore. So I continue
> to drive my old Corolla. I own it.

You're lucky. In Ontario, any car built after 1988 has to be emission
tested. It used to be 20 years and older were exempt, but they changed that
a couple of years ago. Damned crooks. Thing is too that my '82 Trans Am
passes emission tests with flying colors.

"Canuck57" <dave@nospam.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Conscience" <nobama@göv.com> wrote in message
> news:gu4mkh$ldf$2@news.albasani.net...
>> On 2009-05-09 12:31:30 -0700, aemeijers <aemeijers@att.net> said:
>>
>>> Call a spade a spade- this is welfare for the car companies and
>>> vote-buying from the people that would get the rebates, nothing more.
>>> And they are doing it with MY money, as usual.
>>
>> No more than this needs to be said.
>>
>> --
>> "The highest glory of the American Revolution was this: 'It connected in
>> one indissoluble bond the principles of civil government with the
>> principles of Christianity.' " -- John Adams
>
> Not much Christianity left in government. I think god wanted people to
> repect each other. Now that the tax system is used to steal from people
> by corrupt auto, perhaps another revolution is required? If nothing else
> so the majority is heard and not herd.
>
> And shutting up about it is what the plutocrats and corrupt want. But
> some of us will not comply, GM is a company of theives who don't pay their
> bills but expect others too. Just a bunch of whiny welchers.
>
> People should write their representatives and tell them to cut the bailout
> corruption or else.

Or else what? You are going to sit on your lazy ass and keep bitching on a
Newsgroup?

On Sat, 9 May 2009 19:16:51 -0400, "80 Knight"
<nospam@pleaseandthanks.com> wrote:

>"Canuck57" <dave@nospam.net> wrote in message
>news:KslNl.3017$qP.1212@newsfe03.iad...
>>
>> "Conscience" <nobama@göv.com> wrote in message
>> news:gu4mkh$ldf$2@news.albasani.net...
>>> On 2009-05-09 12:31:30 -0700, aemeijers <aemeijers@att.net> said:
>>>
>>>> Call a spade a spade- this is welfare for the car companies and
>>>> vote-buying from the people that would get the rebates, nothing more.
>>>> And they are doing it with MY money, as usual.
>>>
>>> No more than this needs to be said.
>>>
>>> --
>>> "The highest glory of the American Revolution was this: 'It connected in
>>> one indissoluble bond the principles of civil government with the
>>> principles of Christianity.' " -- John Adams
>>
>> Not much Christianity left in government. I think god wanted people to
>> repect each other. Now that the tax system is used to steal from people
>> by corrupt auto, perhaps another revolution is required? If nothing else
>> so the majority is heard and not herd.
>>
>> And shutting up about it is what the plutocrats and corrupt want. But
>> some of us will not comply, GM is a company of theives who don't pay their
>> bills but expect others too. Just a bunch of whiny welchers.
>>
>> People should write their representatives and tell them to cut the bailout
>> corruption or else.
>
>Or else what? You are going to sit on your lazy ass and keep bitching on a
>Newsgroup?
>
LOL