Honda Car Forum

On Sat, 27 Dec 2008 14:52:19 -0500, alfred <tomboy83@yahoo.com> wrote:
>Hello,

>We just got clobbered with snow in New England where I live and I am at the
>point where I don't want to get an Accord anymore and want a 4WD vehicle
>instead. I heard that the 2008/2009 CR-V 4WD is good in the snow and more so
>if the car as better tires like the Blizzaks. Compared to the Jeep Liberty
>the CRV is more reliable from the reports I heard. My questions are:

>1. Can the CRV perform in at least 6-8" of snow without being plowed to the
>point where hill climbing is possible with the 4WD model?

no ****ing way. You'll be lucky if you don't get stuck 20' from your
driveway. It's ground clearence is too little.

Socks wrote:
> Ya know... It's a Honda!
> At the end of the day it fits that market for those folks who long for
> that outdoor's look (Along with their Eddy Bauer "Goretex" parka)
> At the end of the day the CRV is good for that lightly snow covered
> gravel road that heads to to the 5 star resort. (Providing that a real
> 4X4 has plowed the way and has a 4X4 senty to escort them when things
> get real)
> Other than that, It's a Honda...


I've owned both. Since it appears you don't really know, I'll tell you.

Admittedly, we have few foot deep snow falls, but on the regular 6
inchers, the CR-V works as well in the snow as a JGC, and since "It's a
Honda", it's a heck of a lot more reliable.

Oh yeah, we had to put the JGC out of its misery ... after 3 years.

News wrote:
> Socks wrote:
>> Ya know... It's a Honda!
>> At the end of the day it fits that market for those folks who long
>> for that outdoor's look (Along with their Eddy Bauer "Goretex"
>> parka)
>> At the end of the day the CRV is good for that lightly snow covered
>> gravel road that heads to to the 5 star resort. (Providing that a
>> real 4X4 has plowed the way and has a 4X4 senty to escort them when
>> things get real)
>> Other than that, It's a Honda...
>
>
> I've owned both. Since it appears you don't really know, I'll tell
> you.
>
> Admittedly, we have few foot deep snow falls, but on the regular 6
> inchers, the CR-V works as well in the snow as a JGC, and since
> "It's
> a Honda", it's a heck of a lot more reliable.
>
> Oh yeah, we had to put the JGC out of its misery ... after 3 years.

Well, Hell, with 6 inches my Corvette did fine. Not much of a test.

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J. Clarke wrote:
> News wrote:
>> Socks wrote:
>>> Ya know... It's a Honda!
>>> At the end of the day it fits that market for those folks who long
>>> for that outdoor's look (Along with their Eddy Bauer "Goretex"
>>> parka)
>>> At the end of the day the CRV is good for that lightly snow covered
>>> gravel road that heads to to the 5 star resort. (Providing that a
>>> real 4X4 has plowed the way and has a 4X4 senty to escort them when
>>> things get real)
>>> Other than that, It's a Honda...
>>
>> I've owned both. Since it appears you don't really know, I'll tell
>> you.
>>
>> Admittedly, we have few foot deep snow falls, but on the regular 6
>> inchers, the CR-V works as well in the snow as a JGC, and since
>> "It's
>> a Honda", it's a heck of a lot more reliable.
>>
>> Oh yeah, we had to put the JGC out of its misery ... after 3 years.
>
> Well, Hell, with 6 inches my Corvette did fine. Not much of a test.
>

Better than the Jeep, I'll bet.

News wrote:
> J. Clarke wrote:
>> News wrote:
>>> Socks wrote:
>>>> Ya know... It's a Honda!
>>>> At the end of the day it fits that market for those folks who long
>>>> for that outdoor's look (Along with their Eddy Bauer "Goretex"
>>>> parka)
>>>> At the end of the day the CRV is good for that lightly snow covered
>>>> gravel road that heads to to the 5 star resort. (Providing that a
>>>> real 4X4 has plowed the way and has a 4X4 senty to escort them when
>>>> things get real)
>>>> Other than that, It's a Honda...
>>>
>>> I've owned both. Since it appears you don't really know, I'll tell
>>> you.
>>>
>>> Admittedly, we have few foot deep snow falls, but on the regular 6
>>> inchers, the CR-V works as well in the snow as a JGC, and since
>>> "It's
>>> a Honda", it's a heck of a lot more reliable.
>>>
>>> Oh yeah, we had to put the JGC out of its misery ... after 3 years.
>>
>> Well, Hell, with 6 inches my Corvette did fine. Not much of a test.
>>
>
> Better than the Jeep, I'll bet.

6" of snow is within the CRV's ground clearance of 8.5" providing it
doesn't get packed enough to block the rear axle, but in all actuality
it depends on the type of snow, drivers skill, and tire choice.
Slicks ain't gonna cut it. I've seen high power cars trying to take
hills with just a bit of ice. Lots of spin, no gain. That's why I
keep a tow-strap in the winter.

The ZJ has been through mud and snow up to the plastic door panels.
That's well over a foot.

Reliability is based on how well you maintain the vehicle. I'll wager
that my 93 has shown remarkable reliability. Sure, I've gotten it stuck,
high centered, sometimes had to go back and retrieve the rear bumper,
and on one occasion had to do a bit of body work. You play the game
you take the chances.

Just this year I took the ZJ up to 33°17'53.86"N 106°31'52.42"W
That was one of the least technical roads it's been on but it's not
something the CRV could do without multiple stops to remove rocks or
fill washouts.

(note: that's not public land, don't even try if your not authorized.)

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Gibson Exhaust - rear DCpower - custom gauge install - Stillen Rotors
Banks Header - and BEER, in the fridge!

DougW wrote:
> News wrote:
>> J. Clarke wrote:
>>> News wrote:
>>>> Socks wrote:
>>>>> Ya know... It's a Honda!
>>>>> At the end of the day it fits that market for those folks who long
>>>>> for that outdoor's look (Along with their Eddy Bauer "Goretex"
>>>>> parka)
>>>>> At the end of the day the CRV is good for that lightly snow covered
>>>>> gravel road that heads to to the 5 star resort. (Providing that a
>>>>> real 4X4 has plowed the way and has a 4X4 senty to escort them when
>>>>> things get real)
>>>>> Other than that, It's a Honda...
>>>> I've owned both. Since it appears you don't really know, I'll tell
>>>> you.
>>>>
>>>> Admittedly, we have few foot deep snow falls, but on the regular 6
>>>> inchers, the CR-V works as well in the snow as a JGC, and since
>>>> "It's
>>>> a Honda", it's a heck of a lot more reliable.
>>>>
>>>> Oh yeah, we had to put the JGC out of its misery ... after 3 years.
>>> Well, Hell, with 6 inches my Corvette did fine. Not much of a test.
>>>
>> Better than the Jeep, I'll bet.
>
> 6" of snow is within the CRV's ground clearance of 8.5" providing it
> doesn't get packed enough to block the rear axle, but in all actuality
> it depends on the type of snow, drivers skill, and tire choice.
> Slicks ain't gonna cut it. I've seen high power cars trying to take
> hills with just a bit of ice. Lots of spin, no gain. That's why I
> keep a tow-strap in the winter.
>
> The ZJ has been through mud and snow up to the plastic door panels.
> That's well over a foot.
>
> Reliability is based on how well you maintain the vehicle.

And initial build quality, which in the GJC's case was shinola from the
start. It was a lemon flavored hangar queen until it was euthanized.


> I'll wager
> that my 93 has shown remarkable reliability.

As have thirty years of Hondas. Four to be exact, including the present
CR-V.


> Sure, I've gotten it stuck,
> high centered, sometimes had to go back and retrieve the rear bumper,
> and on one occasion had to do a bit of body work. You play the game
> you take the chances.
>
> Just this year I took the ZJ up to 33°17'53.86"N 106°31'52.42"W
> That was one of the least technical roads it's been on but it's not
> something the CRV could do without multiple stops to remove rocks or
> fill washouts.
>
> (note: that's not public land, don't even try if your not authorized.)
>

Sounds interesting. Find any missile parts or aliens?

in my job i have had the chance to drive both and the Honda doesn't even come
close to the jeep especially when it comes to buying parts honda parts are much
more money ditch the homda idea

jim beam wrote:

> alfred wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > We just got clobbered with snow in New England where I live and I am at the
> > point where I don't want to get an Accord anymore and want a 4WD vehicle
> > instead. I heard that the 2008/2009 CR-V 4WD is good in the snow and more so
> > if the car as better tires like the Blizzaks. Compared to the Jeep Liberty
> > the CRV is more reliable from the reports I heard. My questions are:
> >
> > 1. Can the CRV perform in at least 6-8" of snow without being plowed to the
> > point where hill climbing is possible with the 4WD model?
> >
> > 2. Are snow tires needed for snow performance in the the 4WD CRV?
> >
> > 3. Any other comments that anyone has about the CRV 4WD in terms of
> > reliability, ownership satisfaction etc?
> >
> > Jeep offers a 4WD option to keep the transmission in 4WD all the time where
> > CRV does not and Jeep also has hill decent and hill accent controls which
> > CRV does not.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Al
> >
> >
>
> you should buy the jeep alfred. then you can stop wasting our freakin'
> time on the honda groups with your inane pointless blathering.
>
> [sorry jeep people, but if you take this drongo out to somewhere
> /really/ remote, maybe he can "accidentally" bust an axle and we'll both
> enjoy the peace and quiet.]

News wrote:
> DougW wrote:

>> Just this year I took the ZJ up to 33°17'53.86"N 106°31'52.42"W
>> That was one of the least technical roads it's been on but it's not
>> something the CRV could do without multiple stops to remove rocks or
>> fill washouts.
>>
>> (note: that's not public land, don't even try if your not
>> authorized.)
>
> Sounds interesting. Find any missile parts or aliens?

nope. Unless you count the side trip to Roswell AAF/Walker AFB.

Around that area is fairly safe but you don't stray off the road.
Like most live impact ranges there are still live munitions out
there.

I will say this about the ZJ and quality. Part of the initial run
used a badly manufacured transmission with casting problems.
The Aisin/Warner 4 speed (AW4) was more rugged than the later 42RE
Renault transmission. And at least one run of the 42RE had some
serious milling flaws the lead to pump failure. Vehicle for vehicle
if I needed a off-the-shelf 4wd it would be the older Range Rover
when they still used solid steel sliders. Those things were built
like luxury tanks. I don't think there is a vehicle out there that
didn't have some problem in the first years of production.

--
DougW

In article <gjhiqe012g3@news3.newsguy.com>,
"J. Clarke" <jclarke.usenet@cox.net> wrote:

> Well, Hell, with 6 inches my Corvette did fine.

Usually, a 'Vette owner is trying to emulate 6 inches.