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Mike Hunter wrote:
> Restored 69 Plymouth Road Runners are
> selling for over $100,000 at auctions. Ever see ANY Jap car being offered
> at old car auctions?
>
Maybe it's because they're on the road and running, rather than
sitting in auction houses and the garages of geezers who still say
"Jap"

Mike Hunter wrote:

> Finally if GM vehicles are so bad, why is GM still selling more of them than
> ANY of the Japs?

Past reputation? Because it sure can't be their current one.

<richard-foreskin@null.net> wrote in message
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>
> Mike Hunter wrote:
>> Restored 69 Plymouth Road Runners are
>> selling for over $100,000 at auctions. Ever see ANY Jap car being
>> offered
>> at old car auctions?
>>
> Maybe it's because they're on the road and running, rather than
> sitting in auction houses and the garages of geezers who still say
> "Jap"

Like this 1967 Toyota, asking price $285,000?
http://www.automobilemag.com/feature...0gt/index.html

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Ray O
(correct punctuation to reply)

"Ray O" ...
> <richard-foreskin@null.net>...
>> Mike Hunter wrote:
>>> Restored 69 Plymouth Road Runners are
>>> selling for over $100,000 at auctions. Ever see ANY Jap car being
>>> offered
>>> at old car auctions?
>>>
>> Maybe it's because they're on the road and running, rather than
>> sitting in auction houses and the garages of geezers who still say
>> "Jap"
>
> Like this 1967 Toyota, asking price $285,000?
> http://www.automobilemag.com/feature...0gt/index.html
>
Some of these have been modified into targas. My question is: what is a
targa?
Tomes

On Dec 30, 8:23*pm, me <noem...@nothere.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 03:59:30 -0800 (PST), cavedweller
>
> <jawnwil...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >On Dec 29, 10:20*pm, "Mark A" <some...@someone.com> wrote:
> >> "Mark A" <some...@someone.com> wrote in message
>
> >> But if you don't like Toyota's, that fine, don't buy one.
>
> >Toyota's what?
>
> The grammar/punctuation flame is a very slippery slope. For example,
> that sentence fragment that you posted...

Elliptically speaking.

"Rock Hardson" <RH232@yahooo.com> wrote in message
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> "CharlesTheCurmudgeon" <n5hsr@comcast.net> wrote in message
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>> "Rock Hardson" <RH232@yahooo.com> wrote in message
>> news:494d1c7a$1$1548$822641b3@news.adtechcomputers .com...
>>> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...l?hpid=topnews
>>>
>>> I suspect once the US auto industry gets on a level field the foriegn
>>> companies may be in for an ass kicking.
>>>
>>
>> Sorry, you are WRONG. US auto makers do not encourage the culture of
>> quality that the Japanese auto makers embraced about 50 years ago. Until
>> the American automakers demonstrate they are truly commited to quality
>> and not just dependent on whether the head of the company is commited to
>> quality or not, there's not only going to not be a level playing field,
>> there's not gong to be any play.
>>
>> And since you are obviously a UAW shill, you go plonk in the night.
>>
>> Sir Charles the Curmudgeon
>> Friends don't let friends vote Democrat.
>>
> By the way I have never worked for the union in my life nor do I or even
> have any family members who have ever that I know of paid union dues. So I
> have no link to them other than as Americans. What is your link to America
> other than supporting a measly $14 an hour worker who helps put together
> your prized japanese car. The bulk of your money ends up in japan, your
> link and real alliance.

Do you know a Toyota Tundra has more North American content that all others
in it's class?

Don't be so quick to listen to CAW/UAW rehtoric.

"Jim Higgins" <gordian238@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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On Dec 20, 8:25 am, "Rock Hardson" <RH...@yahooo.com> wrote:
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...08/12/19/AR200...
>
> I suspect once the US auto industry gets on a level field the foriegn
> companies may be in for an ass kicking.

The Detroit mindset of looking no further than about the next quarter
or two will not be changed by the bailout. The Japanese have accepted
near term losses for long term gain, an idea that is anathema to the
Detroit 3 (*not* the Big Three anymore). Detroit is not too big to
fail:

Why Detroit Is Not Too Big to Fail
http://www.time.com/time/business/ar...867847,00.html

The Remains of Detroit (slideshow)
http://www.time.com/time/photogaller...810098,00.html

Detroit's "best" hope is a forced bankruptcy reorganization to change
the outdated and lethal mindset that has done them in.
========
Actually, Detroit is now small and insignifigant.

If GM and Chrysler-Cerberus go flat belly up, which is unlikely, the market
place will not miss them. There is enough idle capacity in North American
factories at Ford, Toyota, Nissan, BMW and Honda to easily pick up the
market needs to deliver product. While that was not true 40-50 years ago,
the mismanagmenet and union abose has diminished Detriots need to
essentially nothing but hot air.

And if the union and management don't get real at Ford, they two can join
the Cerberus dogs of Detroit in bankruptcy.

Get real, you don't know what you are talking about. I spent my last ten
years in the business as Group Sales Manager for one of the largest
mega-dealership groups on the east cost that operated in six states. NO
new car dealership worth its salt BUYS used cars, they MUST retail or
wholesale their used cars within three months so as not to tie up capital.

If a dealership NEEDS to buy used cars they are not selling enough NEW cars.
When the partners were looking to buy a another dealership, with growth
potential, the first thing they had me look for those that were buying USED
cars at the Manheim auctions

If we traded an 'off brand,' say a Toyota or Honda, at one of our domestic
dealerships we moved it to one of our Toyota or Honda stores, where we could
make more profit off of the buyers. Why, because WE thought they were
better cars? No, we did it because our import buyers THOUGHT they were
better cars and we could get more out of the import buyers

As to old cars shows, I attend shows all over the east cost and the ONLY Jap
cars I see are an occasional low mileage RX7 or "Z." On the other hand a
see plenty of domestic, British and European cars, even Italian cars, from
the seventies at those shows

Toyota and all other manufacturers in Japan have been subsidized by the
Japanese government ever since WWII


"me" <noemail@nothere.com> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 15:00:38 -0500, "Mike Hunter"
> <mikehunt2@lycos/com> wrote:
>
>>If Jap vehicles are so good why are the owners trading them on domestics?
>>Look on the GM and Ford dealers lots and you will plenty of Jap cars and
>>trucks that were traded on GM and Ford vehicles.
>
> So the lots you drove by are now a statistically valid sample? Post
> some valid statistics showing that more foreign buyers are moving to
> domestics than vice-versa.
>
> FYI - most dealers will wholesale out any trades that don't match
> their expected clientele. So, the Toyota dealer will get rid of any
> domestics he takes in. Since you are seeing "Jap cars" on the GM lots,
> that tells us that GM believes their buyers want foreign vehicles.
>
>>If Jap vehicles are so good where are all of the old Jap cars? If you go
>>to old car shows you will hardly ever see and old Jap car.
>
> That's nonsense and based on the shows you attend. Once again, your
> limited experience does not reflect the world.
>
>>Finally if GM vehicles are so bad, why is GM still selling more of them
>>than
>>ANY of the Japs?
>
> GM asked for $13B in handouts or "we'll be out of business by March".
> Is the irony in your statement that difficult for you to see?
>

"Rock Hardson" <RH232@yahooo.com> wrote in message
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> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...l?hpid=topnews
>
> I suspect once the US auto industry gets on a level field the foriegn
> companies may be in for an ass kicking.

I think that has been happening for 30 years.

GM & Chrysler got their asses kicked good.

On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 15:05:03 -0500, "Mike Hunter"
<mikehunt2@lycos/com> wrote:

>Don't you wish you still owned it? Restored 69 Plymouth Road Runners are
>selling for over $100,000 at auctions. Ever see ANY Jap car being offered
>at old car auctions?
>

Yes, those American collector cars sure command high prices. Here is
a 1941 Packard for $110,000:

http://www.cars-on-line.com/37257.html

Unfortunately, you can't buy a new Packard. Maybe those Roadrunners,
Mustangs and GTOs will be even more valuable when their manufacturers
go the way of Packard.

The quality and value of current cars has nothing to do with the
auction price of collectibles.



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>"Rock Hardson" <RH232@yahooo.com> wrote in message news:49599212$0$26494>>
>>
>> I had a 69 Plymouth Road Runner, at 130k miles I could still leave a patch
>> of rubber 15feet long.
>