Honda Car Forum

<mechanic@telusplanet.net> wrote in message
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> OK... we are getting to the crux of it all....
>
>>"Millions of Americans jobless or making just $14 and hour"
>
>>Rock Hardson" <RH232@yahooo.com> wrote in message
>>news:494d4b67$0$1571$822641b3@news.adtechcompute rs.com...
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> Apparently, it doesn't matter what the job is worth....
>
> Bend over and take it like a man starts to sound like "death to the
> infidel dogs"...
>

Just 14 dollars an hour? I now make more than that, but it took years.
And I work hard for it. I know a lot of people that work for less than
that, too.

There's no doubt in my mind that Rock Hardson is a UAW shill.

Sir Charles the Curmudgeon

On Sat, 20 Dec 2008 10:54:35 -0800 (PST), Gosi cast forth these pearls of
wisdom...:


>
> A slow death is what is being processed.
> An ordered C7 is under way.
> GM is so bloody big that it needs to be closed down in parts.
> The cost of closing is being sent to the taxpayers.
> The question of interest is if any more cars people do not want need
> to be built.
> There is a huge surplus out there already.
> It will be interesting what comes after the collaps.

It's too bad you are not half as smart as you are prolific. You can
certainly spout, but man, you make an ass of yourself every time you do.

--

-Mike-
mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net

Unfortunately the bigger problem is the pension owed retired workers.
Toyota and Honda don't have similar cost issues.


"Rock Hardson" <RH232@yahooo.com> wrote in message
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> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...l?hpid=topnews
>
> I suspect once the US auto industry gets on a level field the foriegn
> companies may be in for an ass kicking.
>

"Gosi" <gosinn@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On 20 Dec, 19:45, "Rock Hardson" <RH...@yahooo.com> wrote:
> "Gosi" <gos...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:329fe1ed-1143-48de-8240-d47460d7c64f@v5g2000prm.googlegroups.com...
> On 20 Dec, 17:56, Jim Higgins <gordian...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Dec 20, 8:25 am, "Rock Hardson" <RH...@yahooo.com> wrote:
>
> > >http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...08/12/19/AR200...
>
> > > I suspect once the US auto industry gets on a level field the foriegn
> > > companies may be in for an ass kicking.
>
> > The Detroit mindset of looking no further than about the next quarter
> > or two will not be changed by the bailout. The Japanese have accepted
> > near term losses for long term gain, an idea that is anathema to the
> > Detroit 3 (*not* the Big Three anymore). Detroit is not too big to
> > fail:
>
> > Why Detroit Is Not Too Big to
> > Failhttp://www.time.com/time/business/article/0,8599,1867847,00.html
>
> > The Remains of Detroit
> > (slideshow)http://www.time.com/time/photogaller...810098,00.html
>
> > Detroit's "best" hope is a forced bankruptcy reorganization to change
> > the outdated and lethal mindset that has done them in.
>
> A slow death is what is being processed.
> An ordered C7 is under way.
> GM is so bloody big that it needs to be closed down in parts.
> The cost of closing is being sent to the taxpayers.
> The question of interest is if any more cars people do not want need
> to be built.
> There is a huge surplus out there already.
> It will be interesting what comes after the collaps.
>
> Could it be that all your wishes will finally come true? Millions of
> Americans jobless or making just $14 and hour, more foreclosures, more
> applying for welfare being paid by your taxes, the corner hot dog stands
> and
> other stores that supported factory workers and suppliers will be out of a
> job, and from Pa. to Ohio to Michigan will be in a state of economic
> disaster that could easily trickle across that country. You would really
> love to see that. What do you care as long as the Japanese are fat and
> happy.

It is not my fault that GM has been stupid for decades and in a slow
death spiral.

And its not my fault that you were born, but what does that have to do with
it?


I am merely an observer and I have known for years what mistakes
management of GM is making.
By the same token it surely is not my doing nor wish coming true now
that GM is dead.

In looking at your post your propaganda goes back what seems like forever
for the hatred of the US industry.

GM has been making crappy products for ages and have been able to turn
the tide for years but now it is too late.
If anyone believes it has anything to do with my they give me more
credit than it is due to me.
I could have saved GM many times over a long time ago.
I still could given the means but I do not see anyone asking me to do
so.
I could not care less actually I just find it amusing to watch this
happening as predicted.
The stupid management of GM met the most stupid president in history
and got him to give out taxpayers money.
How stupid does that make the general public I am sure you have worked
out by now and that is why you are so angry.

Gosi in looking at your posts here many of your comments have no credibility
whatsover. It just amazes me how you claim you can see the future of
American industry failure, yet you can't see the repercussions. Yet you also
say it is amusing.

"CharlesTheCurmudgeon" <n5hsr@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> <mechanic@telusplanet.net> wrote in message
> news:tvd3l.1211$Ve.100@edtnps82...
>>
>> OK... we are getting to the crux of it all....
>>
>>>"Millions of Americans jobless or making just $14 and hour"
>>
>>>Rock Hardson" <RH232@yahooo.com> wrote in message
>>>news:494d4b67$0$1571$822641b3@news.adtechcomput ers.com...
>>
>> Apparently, it doesn't matter what the job is worth....
>>
>> Bend over and take it like a man starts to sound like "death to the
>> infidel dogs"...
>>
>
> Just 14 dollars an hour? I now make more than that, but it took years.
> And I work hard for it. I know a lot of people that work for less than
> that, too.
>
> There's no doubt in my mind that Rock Hardson is a UAW shill.
>
> Sir Charles the Curmudgeon
>

Sir Charles simply can't believe or understand that a regular American with
no relationship to the union whatsover simply has an interest in the common
Joe. Selfish lives can corrupt the mind.

"Rock Hardson" <RH232@yahooo.com> wrote in message
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> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...l?hpid=topnews
>
> I suspect once the US auto industry gets on a level field the foriegn
> companies may be in for an ass kicking.
>

That's up to the fickle and uneducated/behind the times consumer's
perceptions. Ford, right now, should be educating its consumers about its
current products and future plans versus the typical consumer perceptions of
that. Consumers won't go to the dealership until that changes more.
--
Dave

2008 Focus , 5 spd no frills coupe- to date per fillup - 33 mpg low - 39 mpg
high.

How much CO footprint to remove and transport basic materials for batteries
and to manufacture the batteries for the Ford Fusion and any other hybrid?

CharlesTheCurmudgeon wrote:
>
>"Rock Hardson" <RH232@yahooo.com> wrote in message
>news:494d1c7a$1$1548$822641b3@news.adtechcomputer s.com...
>>http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...l?hpid=topnews
>>
>>I suspect once the US auto industry gets on a level field the foriegn
>>companies may be in for an ass kicking.
>
>
>Sorry, you are WRONG. US auto makers do not encourage the culture of
>quality that the Japanese auto makers embraced about 50 years ago. Until
>the American automakers demonstrate they are truly commited to quality and
>not just dependent on whether the head of the company is commited to quality
>or not, there's not only going to not be a level playing field, there's not
>gong to be any play.
>
The Japanese may have embraced it 50 years ago, but they continued to
have horrible quality
(can you say 'Toyopet'?) for another 25 years. It's also a myth that
Japanese car makers universally have better quality because when
Toyota, Honda, and Subaru are excluded, their quality falls to being
only par with ours.

What's been more important to Japanese success is the culture of
engineers versus our culture of business majors. This is especially
true because development of new products never makes sense from a
financial standpoint. Business majors understand this, but engineers
fortunately don't.

Mike Hunter wrote:
>
>Can we assume that apparently you have not seen the numerous reports that
>show many of the domestic are BEATING some of the imports in customer
>quality surveys? Have you seen the CAFE lists that show many domestics
>are as good or better than imports, of the same size, when it comes to fuel
>economy and some domestic, with V6 engines, are doing nearly as good as
>imports with only 4cy engines?
>
So why can't we honestly say all of them beat the foreign brands, as
was once could?

On Dec 21, 4:16*am, "rantonr...@mail.com" <rantonr...@mail.com> wrote:
> CharlesTheCurmudgeon wrote:
>
> >"Rock Hardson" <RH...@yahooo.com> wrote in message
> >news:494d1c7a$1$1548$822641b3@news.adtechcomputer s.com...
> >>http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...08/12/19/AR200....
>
> >>I suspect once the US auto industry gets on a level field the foriegn
> >>companies may be in for an ass kicking.
>
> >Sorry, you are WRONG. *US auto makers do not encourage the culture of
> >quality that the Japanese auto makers embraced about 50 years ago. *Until
> >the American automakers demonstrate they are truly commited to quality and
> >not just dependent on whether the head of the company is commited to quality
> >or not, *there's not only going to not be a level playing field, there's not
> >gong to be any play.
>
> The Japanese may have embraced it 50 years ago, but they continued to
> have horrible quality
> (can you say 'Toyopet'?) for another 25 years. *It's also a myth that
> Japanese car makers universally have better quality because when
> Toyota, Honda, and Subaru are excluded, their quality falls to being
> only par with ours.
>
> What's been more important to Japanese success is the culture of
> engineers versus our culture of business majors. *This is especially
> true because development of new products never makes sense from a
> financial standpoint. *Business majors understand this, but engineers
> fortunately don't.


"...when Toyota, Honda, and Subaru are excluded, their quality falls
to being
only par with ours."

By your own admission Toyota and Honda's quality is superior to
Detroit's. Congratulations on finally coming around to that
conclusion, there is hope for you yet :-)

On Sat, 20 Dec 2008 12:26:25 -0500, "Mike Hunter"
<mikehunt2@lycos/com> wrote:

>Can we assume that apparently you have not seen the numerous reports that
>show many of the domestic are BEATING some of the imports in customer
>quality surveys?

I have seen the Consumer Reports Survey which shows that Toyota and
Honda are far more reliable than anything made by the "Big Three".
(Hard to call them the Big Three when Chrysler ranks fifth in sales.)

> Have you seen the CAFE lists that show many domestics
>are as good or better than imports, of the same size, when it comes to fuel
>economy and some domestic, with V6 engines, are doing nearly as good as
>imports with only 4cy engines?

That's nice, if questionably true. But GM and Ford would already be
in liquidation if it had to rely on those cars. The only thing that
has kept them floating over the last decade has been the 10-12 mpg
dinosaurs that are on the brink of extinction.

GM just put a hold on the factory which was supposed to build the
vaporware Volt. What does that say?





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>"CharlesTheCurmudgeon" <n5hsr@comcast.net> wrote in message
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>>
>> "Rock Hardson" <RH232@yahooo.com> wrote in message
>> news:494d1c7a$1$1548$822641b3@news.adtechcomputers .com...
>>> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...l?hpid=topnews
>>>
>>> I suspect once the US auto industry gets on a level field the foriegn
>>> companies may be in for an ass kicking.
>>>
>>
>> Sorry, you are WRONG. US auto makers do not encourage the culture of
>> quality that the Japanese auto makers embraced about 50 years ago. Until
>> the American automakers demonstrate they are truly commited to quality and
>> not just dependent on whether the head of the company is commited to
>> quality or not, there's not only going to not be a level playing field,
>> there's not gong to be any play.
>>
>> And since you are obviously a UAW shill, you go plonk in the night.
>>
>> Sir Charles the Curmudgeon
>> Friends don't let friends vote Democrat.
>>
>