Honda Car Forum

On Sat, 20 Dec 2008 11:27:53 -0800 (PST), septicman@peoplepc.com cast forth
these pearls of wisdom...:

> On Dec 20, 1:21*pm, "Rock Hardson" <RH...@yahooo.com> wrote:
>> <septic...@peoplepc.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:060c0f2f-c6a9-4e00-adc7-0026cb571417@c36g2000prc.googlegroups.com...
>> On Dec 20, 9:41 am, "Rock Hardson" <RH...@yahooo.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...08/12/19/AR200...
>>
>>> The article states that the southern japanese factory worker was offered
>>> to
>>> join the union bringing wages on par to its northern American worker but
>>> they opted to stay bare foot and po' for japanese pennies. How STUPID can
>>> people be! If they had simply joined the union they would be getting the
>>> same exact pay and benefits as the northern worker living a higher
>>> standard
>>> of life and there would have been an even playing field for all
>>> manufactures
>>> from the start. For years it has been said that the Japanese choose the
>>> southern worker simply to take advantage of there ignorance. I guess the
>>> article proves they were right about that one. Now the northern worker
>>> will
>>> be forced to be dragged down to the level of pay of the southern worker.
>>> Its
>>> a simple question of is everyone on board to make a lot of money or will a
>>> segment of the community just drag others down to make a lesser amount of
>>> money???
>>
>> I make it a point to NEVER buy any car, new or used, assembled by UAW
>> dumb-**** overpaid slob morons...
>>
>> There is not a single UAW leak in possession of a skill set worth
>> their extortionistic wage and benefit package. *Back in the sixties,
>> 8th. grade dropouts all over the country would wind up getting $25/hr.
>> to slap hubcaps on Fords and Chevys. ***** the UAW and anyone who
>> supports them.
>>
>> Yeh...and its just fine to that Japanese CEO get billions in return for
>> paying workers $14 and hour to screw on a bolt over and over and over again
>> 8 hours a day. You try doing that and see if you don't go crazy. If you have
>> a job doing crazy mind draining activity at least make it worth your while
>> and get paid for it. And I bet if your father was putting bread on your
>> table for screwing on a bolt, you would have no problem at all buying
>> American would you?- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> The UAW is living proof that one does not need to invest in oneself in
> terms of high skills and knowledge. That, in and of itself, is
> anathema to capitalism.

Indeed. Only in the union environment is stupid (mind-numbing) turned
around to be a merit, and a case for more money.

--

-Mike-
mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net

"e.meyer" <epmeyer50@msn.com> wrote in message
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On Dec 20, 1:17 pm, "Rock Hardson" <RH...@yahooo.com> wrote:
> "E. Meyer" <epmeye...@msn.com> wrote in message
>
> news:C57288BC.155D%epmeyer50@msn.com...
>
> > On 12/20/08 9:41 AM, in article
> > 494d1243$0$1509$82264...@news.adtechcomputers.com, "Rock Hardson"
> > <RH...@yahooo.com> wrote:
>
> >>http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...08/12/19/AR200...
> >> 6.html?hpid%3Dtopnews&sub=AR
>
> >> The article states that the southern japanese factory worker was
> >> offered
> >> to
> >> join the union bringing wages on par to its northern American worker
> >> but
> >> they opted to stay bare foot and po' for japanese pennies. How STUPID
> >> can
> >> people be! If they had simply joined the union they would be getting
> >> the
> >> same exact pay and benefits as the northern worker living a higher
> >> standard
> >> of life and there would have been an even playing field for all
> >> manufactures
> >> from the start. For years it has been said that the Japanese choose the
> >> southern worker simply to take advantage of there ignorance. I guess
> >> the
> >> article proves they were right about that one. Now the northern worker
> >> will
> >> be forced to be dragged down to the level of pay of the southern
> >> worker.
> >> Its
> >> a simple question of is everyone on board to make a lot of money or
> >> will
> >> a
> >> segment of the community just drag others down to make a lesser amount
> >> of
> >> money???
>
> > If the Southern workers had joined the union and tried to force Detroit
> > style pay and benefit packages, then the Japanese plants would all be in
> > Mexico (just like many GM and Mercedes plants already are).
>
> I got news for you, japanese are already in Mexico.
> The US is there because of the Bush/Clinton NAFTA sellout/New world Order
> BS.

Yes they are already in Mexico, and if the workers in the Southern US
states had sold out to the UAW, all those Southern US factories would
be gone, or never built in the first place.

You are obviously a union troll.

Not at all, you obviosly someone with no answers.

<septicman@peoplepc.com> wrote in message
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On Dec 20, 1:21 pm, "Rock Hardson" <RH...@yahooo.com> wrote:
> <septic...@peoplepc.com> wrote in message
>
> news:060c0f2f-c6a9-4e00-adc7-0026cb571417@c36g2000prc.googlegroups.com...
> On Dec 20, 9:41 am, "Rock Hardson" <RH...@yahooo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> >http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...08/12/19/AR200...
>
> > The article states that the southern japanese factory worker was offered
> > to
> > join the union bringing wages on par to its northern American worker but
> > they opted to stay bare foot and po' for japanese pennies. How STUPID
> > can
> > people be! If they had simply joined the union they would be getting the
> > same exact pay and benefits as the northern worker living a higher
> > standard
> > of life and there would have been an even playing field for all
> > manufactures
> > from the start. For years it has been said that the Japanese choose the
> > southern worker simply to take advantage of there ignorance. I guess the
> > article proves they were right about that one. Now the northern worker
> > will
> > be forced to be dragged down to the level of pay of the southern worker.
> > Its
> > a simple question of is everyone on board to make a lot of money or will
> > a
> > segment of the community just drag others down to make a lesser amount
> > of
> > money???
>
> I make it a point to NEVER buy any car, new or used, assembled by UAW
> dumb-**** overpaid slob morons...
>
> There is not a single UAW leak in possession of a skill set worth
> their extortionistic wage and benefit package. Back in the sixties,
> 8th. grade dropouts all over the country would wind up getting $25/hr.
> to slap hubcaps on Fords and Chevys. **** the UAW and anyone who
> supports them.
>
> Yeh...and its just fine to that Japanese CEO get billions in return for
> paying workers $14 and hour to screw on a bolt over and over and over
> again
> 8 hours a day. You try doing that and see if you don't go crazy. If you
> have
> a job doing crazy mind draining activity at least make it worth your while
> and get paid for it. And I bet if your father was putting bread on your
> table for screwing on a bolt, you would have no problem at all buying
> American would you?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

The UAW is living proof that one does not need to invest in oneself in
terms of high skills and knowledge. That, in and of itself, is
anathema to capitalism.

No thats a matter of choice. Since when have you become concerned with
someone elses education??

"Mike Marlow" <mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net> wrote in message
news:11qblp5o740yd$.1pmm6suhfojjp$.dlg@40tude.net. ..
> On Sat, 20 Dec 2008 14:21:46 -0500, Rock Hardson cast forth these pearls
> of
> wisdom...:
>
>
>>
>> Yeh...and its just fine to that Japanese CEO get billions in return for
>> paying workers $14 and hour to screw on a bolt over and over and over
>> again
>> 8 hours a day. You try doing that and see if you don't go crazy.
>
> It does not matter if it drives them crazy. If they want more interesting
> work then let them get off their duff and get an education or develop
> skills that will afford them those opportunities. Boring work is not a
> justification for pay. If you don't have a lot to offer, you do the
> crummy
> work for the crummy pay.
>
>> If you have
>> a job doing crazy mind draining activity at least make it worth your
>> while
>> and get paid for it.
>
> At minimum wage those people would indeed be getting all the pay
> worthwhile. Don't like crazy mind draining activity? Then get off your
> duff and improve yourself. Quit crying about mind draining activity.
>
>> And I bet if your father was putting bread on your
>> table for screwing on a bolt, you would have no problem at all buying
>> American would you?
>
> I have no problem buying either American or import and my father is dead,
> so he's not putting bread on the table for screwing in a bolt. He did
> however, instill in us a drive to work for what you want and not rely on
> lame whines like "mind draining". He taught us that if we don't like
> where
> we are/what we're doing, then improve yourself in order to move on past
> it.
> You might want to try the same.
>
Wow...and what do you think the union was developed for? Why were people
dying and getting there heads cracked open in the 20 and 30's? Maybe so
people like you or your father could actually do a job no matter how menial
or mind numbing with dignity and respect without being walked over and
disrepected by corporate and for that matter people like you.

"Jack" <bigcletus123@yahoo.com.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Rock Hardson" <RH232@yahooo.com> wrote in message
> news:494d1243$0$1509$822641b3@news.adtechcomputers .com...
>> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...topnews&sub=AR
>>
>> The article states that the southern japanese factory worker was offered
>> to join the union bringing wages on par to its northern American worker
>> but they opted to stay bare foot and po' for japanese pennies. How STUPID
>> can people be! If they had simply joined the union they would be getting
>> the same exact pay and benefits as the northern worker living a higher
>> standard of life and there would have been an even playing field for all
>> manufactures from the start. For years it has been said that the Japanese
>> choose the southern worker simply to take advantage of there ignorance. I
>> guess the article proves they were right about that one. Now the northern
>> worker will be forced to be dragged down to the level of pay of the
>> southern worker. Its a simple question of is everyone on board to make a
>> lot of money or will a segment of the community just drag others down to
>> make a lesser amount of money???
>
> So a bail will do what ?? There's hundreds of thousands of their cars
> sitting unsold on car lots...oh yeah, lets get them back to work to make
> many more thousands of cars that nobody wants so they came park them on
> lots.
>
> I'd personally like to see all three go down the tubes...get rid of their
> management, unions, and baggage. Let the Jap companies buy up the corpses
> and resurrect them into efficient concerns.
>
>
>

Uhhh...why not just sell the whole country off to the japanese?? We can then
depend on them to make everything we need even grow our own food. Yeh we can
then be totaly dependent on Japanese for our economy.

"Rock Hardson" <RH232@yahooo.com> wrote in message
news:494dc2b3$0$1515$822641b3@news.adtechcomputers .com...
> The UAW is living proof that one does not need to invest in oneself in
> terms of high skills and knowledge. That, in and of itself, is
> anathema to capitalism.
>
> No thats a matter of choice. Since when have you become concerned with
> someone elses education??

The UAW is organized crime syndicate that has bilked the American people out
of billions of dollars.

<mechanic@telusplanet.net> wrote in message
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>I would rather keep my dollar HERE making for a stronger Canadian economy
>you self centered bastard...
>
Ohh did I touch a nerve? Me self centered? You are the one who doesn't give
a damn about US workers, oh right you must be canadian so who cares.

> As for my dollars going to Japan? Two Fords, a Harley Davidson and a
> holiday trailer made in ****ing Colorado are parked in my driveway and you
> have the temerity to speak untruths???? My money goes to Japan? ****...
> even kittens eventually open their eyes... FWIW, I'm a tech in a Ford
> store - in order to pay those overpriced whining bastuhds, Ford has
> re-engineered the labour rates that techs are paid for warranty
> repairs.... raped is about the best word you could use there.
>
Yeh rape... funny what can happen when there is not an even playing field
and people are against the wall because they need to get paid. Those who
want to see American industry fail will find out soon enough what its like
to get raped once the economical trickle down takes effect. Brother havn't
been raped yet.

And what is wrong with Colorado that you have to defame that too?

>

"Mike Marlow" <mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net> wrote in message
news:11qblp5o740yd$.1pmm6suhfojjp$.dlg@40tude.net. ..
> On Sat, 20 Dec 2008 14:21:46 -0500, Rock Hardson cast forth these pearls
> of
> wisdom...:
>
>
>>
>> Yeh...and its just fine to that Japanese CEO get billions in return for
>> paying workers $14 and hour to screw on a bolt over and over and over
>> again
>> 8 hours a day. You try doing that and see if you don't go crazy.
>
> It does not matter if it drives them crazy. If they want more interesting
> work then let them get off their duff and get an education or develop
> skills that will afford them those opportunities. Boring work is not a
> justification for pay. If you don't have a lot to offer, you do the
> crummy
> work for the crummy pay.
>
>> If you have
>> a job doing crazy mind draining activity at least make it worth your
>> while
>> and get paid for it.
>
> At minimum wage those people would indeed be getting all the pay
> worthwhile. Don't like crazy mind draining activity? Then get off your
> duff and improve yourself. Quit crying about mind draining activity.
>
>> And I bet if your father was putting bread on your
>> table for screwing on a bolt, you would have no problem at all buying
>> American would you?
>
> I have no problem buying either American or import and my father is dead,
> so he's not putting bread on the table for screwing in a bolt. He did
> however, instill in us a drive to work for what you want and not rely on
> lame whines like "mind draining". He taught us that if we don't like
> where
> we are/what we're doing, then improve yourself in order to move on past
> it.
> You might want to try the same.
>
He taught you to improve yourself?? Well maybe its what the unionizers
fathers in the 20s and 30s taught them too. Maybe its because that got tired
of doing a job no matter how menial or dirty it was while being walked over
and disrespected by corporate or for that matter people like you. Maybe
because they thought they had a right in sharing some of the wealth the
ceo's were making off there semi slave labor.

"Jack" <bigcletus123@yahoo.com.com> wrote in message
news:494da138$0$5457$9a566e8b@news.aliant.net...
>
> "Rock Hardson" <RH232@yahooo.com> wrote in message
> news:494d1243$0$1509$822641b3@news.adtechcomputers .com...
>> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...topnews&sub=AR
>>
>> The article states that the southern japanese factory worker was offered
>> to join the union bringing wages on par to its northern American worker
>> but they opted to stay bare foot and po' for japanese pennies. How STUPID
>> can people be! If they had simply joined the union they would be getting
>> the same exact pay and benefits as the northern worker living a higher
>> standard of life and there would have been an even playing field for all
>> manufactures from the start. For years it has been said that the Japanese
>> choose the southern worker simply to take advantage of there ignorance. I
>> guess the article proves they were right about that one. Now the northern
>> worker will be forced to be dragged down to the level of pay of the
>> southern worker. Its a simple question of is everyone on board to make a
>> lot of money or will a segment of the community just drag others down to
>> make a lesser amount of money???
>
> So a bail will do what ?? There's hundreds of thousands of their cars
> sitting unsold on car lots...oh yeah, lets get them back to work to make
> many more thousands of cars that nobody wants so they came park them on
> lots.

You mean like the Ford F-150, or the Chevy Silverado? You know, the #1 and
#2 top selling vehicles?

> I'd personally like to see all three go down the tubes...get rid of their
> management, unions, and baggage. Let the Jap companies buy up the corpses
> and resurrect them into efficient concerns.

Yes, what a very good thing we have the nice God-Like Japs to do everything
for us, right? Don't worry. If enough idiots like you keep running things,
the Japs will one day own the US, and the rest of the world. Perhaps you
will be happier then. Oh, and when WWIII breaks out, and Japan is against
us, they will build our weapons, and equipment too. Just because they are
nice. Idiot.

"Gosi" <gosinn@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On 20 Dec, 19:07, <mecha...@telusplanet.net> wrote:
>> Stupid.... interesting term that could be applied to many different
>> groups
>> of people...
>>
>> Stupid... as in customers continuing to pay prices that have been driven
>> high by over-priced wage packages for union workers? Come on... this is
>> assembly line work... put tab A in slot B... what rolls off the end of
>> the
>> line could be a toaster, a car or Mattels latest toy... It ain't rocket
>> science.
>>
>> Someone is signing the cheque for this, doofus.... and that would be the
>> consumer...
>>
>> Where I live, we have a labour shortage.... our local McDonalds is
>> offering
>> $13 per hour.... I wonder how many 99 cent burgers you need to sell to
>> make
>> that idea profitable?
>>
>> I'm sure that all of your fellow Americans will love the hell out of you
>> calling them "ignorant".
>>
>> "Rock Hardson" <RH...@yahooo.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:494d1243$0$1509$822641b3@news.adtechcomputers .com...
>>
>> >http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...08/12/19/AR200...
>>
>> > The article states that the southern japanese factory worker was
>> > offered
>> > to join the union bringing wages on par to its northern American worker
>> > but they opted to stay bare foot and po' for japanese pennies. How
>> > STUPID
>> > can people be! If they had simply joined the union they would be
>> > getting
>> > the same exact pay and benefits as the northern worker living a higher
>> > standard of life and there would have been an even playing field for
>> > all
>> > manufactures from the start. For years it has been said that the
>> > Japanese
>> > choose the southern worker simply to take advantage of there ignorance.
>> > I
>> > guess the article proves they were right about that one. Now the
>> > northern
>> > worker will be forced to be dragged down to the level of pay of the
>> > southern worker. Its a simple question of is everyone on board to make
>> > a
>> > lot of money or will a segment of the community just drag others down
>> > to
>> > make a lesser amount of money???
>
> The quality control of Toyota is done by each worker.
> If someone notices that something is missing from a former step they
> pull the chain and stop the line.
> In the beginning the line was stopping all the time.
> Then the quality improved and the line hardly ever needs to be
> stopped.
>
> In GM they did not dare to do it so inspection is done after the car
> has been sold and the customer finds something wrong.
> First they deny the problem and then the customer gets angry and
> stoppes buying GM cars.
>
> That is a major difference and I have been waiting to see how long
> this could go on like this.
>
> It is very exciting to see that GM is finally dead and the prolonged
> funeral is taking place over the next months.
>
> RIP

Again your Glee in American job loss is showing. I just wonder what type of
work you do and long you could sustain a job loss.