Honda Car Forum

I would rather keep my dollar HERE making for a stronger Canadian economy
you self centered bastard...

As for my dollars going to Japan? Two Fords, a Harley Davidson and a holiday
trailer made in ****ing Colorado are parked in my driveway and you have the
temerity to speak untruths???? My money goes to Japan? ****... even kittens
eventually open their eyes... FWIW, I'm a tech in a Ford store - in order to
pay those overpriced whining bastuhds, Ford has re-engineered the labour
rates that techs are paid for warranty repairs.... raped is about the best
word you could use there.

And now you are changing the tune you are playing... we have gone from
getting paid an appropriate wage to "losing jobs". The Japs are paying
assembly line labour pretty much what assembly line labour is worth... to
pretend it is worth more only drives the cost of the product higher...or
haven't you heard the term "inflation" before?


"Rock Hardson" <RH232@yahooo.com> wrote in message
news:494d46ae$0$1536$822641b3@news.adtechcomputers .com...
>
> <mechanic@telusplanet.net> wrote in message
> news:Pnb3l.1181$Ve.564@edtnps82...
>> Stupid.... interesting term that could be applied to many different
>> groups of people...
>>
>> Stupid... as in customers continuing to pay prices that have been driven
>> high by over-priced wage packages for union workers? Come on... this is
>> assembly line work... put tab A in slot B... what rolls off the end of
>> the line could be a toaster, a car or Mattels latest toy... It ain't
>> rocket science.
>>
>> Someone is signing the cheque for this, doofus.... and that would be the
>> consumer...
>>
>> Where I live, we have a labour shortage.... our local McDonalds is
>> offering $13 per hour.... I wonder how many 99 cent burgers you need to
>> sell to make that idea profitable?
>>
>> I'm sure that all of your fellow Americans will love the hell out of you
>> calling them "ignorant".
>>
>
> What do you know about fellow Americans when you would rather see your
> dollars go to Japan rater than keep it here providing a stronger US
> economy. I bet you are one who would rather see 100s of thousands om
> AMERICANS lose jobs rather than bail out the US auto industry.

"Rock Hardson" <RH232@yahooo.com> wrote:
> I got news for you, japanese are already in Mexico.
> The US is there because of the Bush/Clinton NAFTA sellout/New world
> Order BS

Oh, and don't forget the black helicopters.

On Dec 20, 9:41*am, "Rock Hardson" <RH...@yahooo.com> wrote:
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...08/12/19/AR200...
>
I'm sorry the workers may lose benefits but, the option is to shut
down American Auto companies. To understand, look at the history.
Unions organized in the 1930s and became very powerful by 1950. With
unsustainable profits and prosperity in the 1950s, the companies met
most union demands to keep the production lines rolling. Today, on
the other hand, the 3 remaining auto makers are on the brink of
banruptcy and most American consumers are unable to buy a 35,000
automobile.
I'd like to see all auto makers unionised but I'd also like to see the
price of cars reduced. Lets hope the OBama guys make significant
advances to level the plying field for all auto makers.
The Japanese companies have no retired pensioners to support but
companies like GM have thousands. Auto makers in foreign countries
can rely on the government to provide health care while here health
care costs knock your socks off. Hospital fees, like union benefits,
are based on a level of prosperity that hasn't existed in America for
40 years.
It's funny the administration demands auto makers to get rid of all
corporate jets. What about eliminating air force one? And what about
all those congressmen and Senators who are flown wherevever they want
to go by military aircraft?





> The article states that the southern japanese factory worker was offered to
> join the union bringing wages on par to its northern American worker but
> they opted to stay bare foot and po' for japanese pennies. How STUPID can
> people be! If they had simply joined the union they would be getting the
> same exact pay and benefits as the northern worker living a higher standard
> of life and there would have been an even playing field for all manufactures
> from the start. For years it has been said that the Japanese choose the
> southern worker simply to take advantage of there ignorance. I guess the
> article proves they were right about that one. Now the northern worker will
> be forced to be dragged down to the level of pay of the southern worker. Its
> a simple question of is everyone on board to make a lot of money or will a
> segment of the community just drag others down to make a lesser amount of
> money???

You are almost correct for change, worker in domestic assembly can't pull a
chain. They have to push the big red stop button to halt the line when
someone caused an error or notices that something is missing to stop the
line when there is a problem.

Why don't you say in my opinion when you post your goofy comments? You are
entitled to that, but at least then you will simply appear to be uninformed
and not just stupid LOL


"Gosi" <gosinn@gmail.com> wrote in message news:fc3b7194-3d91-41c1-946f->
The quality control of Toyota is done by each worker.

> If someone notices that something is missing from a former step they
> pull the chain and stop the line.
> In the beginning the line was stopping all the time.
> Then the quality improved and the line hardly ever needs to be
> stopped.
>
> In GM they did not dare to do it so inspection is done after the car
> has been sold and the customer finds something wrong.
> First they deny the problem and then the customer gets angry and
> stoppes buying GM cars.
>
> That is a major difference and I have been waiting to see how long
> this could go on like this.
>
> It is very exciting to see that GM is finally dead and the prolonged
> funeral is taking place over the next months.
>
> RIP

On Dec 20, 2:35*pm, "e.meyer" <epmeye...@msn.com> wrote:
> On Dec 20, 1:17*pm, "Rock Hardson" <RH...@yahooo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > "E. Meyer" <epmeye...@msn.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:C57288BC.155D%epmeyer50@msn.com...
>
> > > On 12/20/08 9:41 AM, in article
> > > 494d1243$0$1509$82264...@news.adtechcomputers.com, "Rock Hardson"
> > > <RH...@yahooo.com> wrote:
>
> > >>http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...08/12/19/AR200....
> > >> 6.html?hpid%3Dtopnews&sub=AR
>
> > >> The article states that the southern japanese factory worker was offered
> > >> to
> > >> join the union bringing wages on par to its northern American workerbut
> > >> they opted to stay bare foot and po' for japanese pennies. How STUPID can
> > >> people be! If they had simply joined the union they would be gettingthe
> > >> same exact pay and benefits as the northern worker living a higher
> > >> standard
> > >> of life and there would have been an even playing field for all
> > >> manufactures
> > >> from the start. For years it has been said that the Japanese choose the
> > >> southern worker simply to take advantage of there ignorance. I guessthe
> > >> article proves they were right about that one. Now the northern worker
> > >> will
> > >> be forced to be dragged down to the level of pay of the southern worker.
> > >> Its
> > >> a simple question of is everyone on board to make a lot of money or will
> > >> a
> > >> segment of the community just drag others down to make a lesser amount of
> > >> money???
>
> > > If the Southern workers had joined the union and tried to force Detroit
> > > style pay and benefit packages, then the Japanese plants would all bein
> > > Mexico (just like many GM and Mercedes plants already are).
>
> > I got news for you, japanese are already in Mexico.
> > The US is there because of the Bush/Clinton NAFTA sellout/New world Order
> > BS.
>
> Yes they are already in Mexico, and if the workers in the Southern US
> states had sold out to the UAW, all those Southern US factories would
> be gone, or never built in the first place.
>
> You are obviously a union troll.

What do you do for a living?

On Dec 20, 2:07*pm, <mecha...@telusplanet.net> wrote:
> Stupid.... interesting term that could be applied to many different groups
> of people...
>
> Stupid... as in customers continuing to pay prices that have been driven
> high by over-priced wage packages for union workers? Come on... this is
> assembly line work... put tab A in slot B... what rolls off the end of the
> line could be a toaster, a car or Mattels latest toy... It ain't rocket
> science.
>
> Someone is signing the cheque for this, doofus.... and that would be the
> consumer...
>
> Where I live, we have a labour shortage.... our local McDonalds is offering
> $13 per hour.... I wonder how many 99 cent burgers you need to sell to make
> that idea profitable?
>
> I'm sure that all of your fellow Americans will love the hell out of you
> calling them "ignorant".
>
> "Rock Hardson" <RH...@yahooo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:494d1243$0$1509$822641b3@news.adtechcomputers .com...
>
> >http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...08/12/19/AR200...
>
> > The article states that the southern japanese factory worker was offered
> > to join the union bringing wages on par to its northern American worker
> > but they opted to stay bare foot and po' for japanese pennies. How STUPID
> > can people be! If they had simply joined the union they would be getting
> > the same exact pay and benefits as the northern worker living a higher
> > standard of life and there would have been an even playing field for all
> > manufactures from the start. For years it has been said that the Japanese
> > choose the southern worker simply to take advantage of there ignorance.I
> > guess the article proves they were right about that one. Now the northern
> > worker will be forced to be dragged down to the level of pay of the
> > southern worker. Its a simple question of is everyone on board to make a
> > lot of money or will a segment of the community just drag others down to
> > make a lesser amount of money???

Just 8% of a car's cost is labor. Fifty percent is parts. The rest,
42%,is sucked up do-nothing, fat-assed managers - the real cause for
the decline of American business. In a Japanese car company the
manager who has to layoff people must lay himself off. Never happens
in American corporations. Management is like a diaper, always on your
ass and always full of shit.

When I have a UK manager, I'm managed in an enlightened way. Never
happens with American managers.

On 20 Dec, 22:25, "edspyhil...@yahoo.com" <edspyhil...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
> On Dec 20, 2:07*pm, <mecha...@telusplanet.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Stupid.... interesting term that could be applied to many different groups
> > of people...
>
> > Stupid... as in customers continuing to pay prices that have been driven
> > high by over-priced wage packages for union workers? Come on... this is
> > assembly line work... put tab A in slot B... what rolls off the end of the
> > line could be a toaster, a car or Mattels latest toy... It ain't rocket
> > science.
>
> > Someone is signing the cheque for this, doofus.... and that would be the
> > consumer...
>
> > Where I live, we have a labour shortage.... our local McDonalds is offering
> > $13 per hour.... I wonder how many 99 cent burgers you need to sell to make
> > that idea profitable?
>
> > I'm sure that all of your fellow Americans will love the hell out of you
> > calling them "ignorant".
>
> > "Rock Hardson" <RH...@yahooo.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:494d1243$0$1509$822641b3@news.adtechcomputer s.com...
>
> > >http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...08/12/19/AR200....
>
> > > The article states that the southern japanese factory worker was offered
> > > to join the union bringing wages on par to its northern American worker
> > > but they opted to stay bare foot and po' for japanese pennies. How STUPID
> > > can people be! If they had simply joined the union they would be getting
> > > the same exact pay and benefits as the northern worker living a higher
> > > standard of life and there would have been an even playing field for all
> > > manufactures from the start. For years it has been said that the Japanese
> > > choose the southern worker simply to take advantage of there ignorance. I
> > > guess the article proves they were right about that one. Now the northern
> > > worker will be forced to be dragged down to the level of pay of the
> > > southern worker. Its a simple question of is everyone on board to make a
> > > lot of money or will a segment of the community just drag others downto
> > > make a lesser amount of money???
>
> Just 8% of a car's cost is labor. *Fifty percent is parts. *The rest,
> 42%,is sucked up do-nothing, fat-assed managers - the real cause for
> the decline of American business. *In a Japanese car company the
> manager who has to layoff people must lay himself off. *Never happens
> in American corporations. *Management is like a diaper, always on your
> ass and always full of shit.
>
> When I have a UK manager, I'm managed in an enlightened way. *Never
> happens with American managers.

The manager was trying to make a decision about Jack and Jill.
He is talking to Jill and says I am not sure if I should lay you or
Jack off.
She answered that he should jack off.

"Rock Hardson" <RH232@yahooo.com> wrote in message
news:494d1243$0$1509$822641b3@news.adtechcomputers .com...
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...topnews&sub=AR
>
> The article states that the southern japanese factory worker was offered
> to join the union bringing wages on par to its northern American worker
> but they opted to stay bare foot and po' for japanese pennies. How STUPID
> can people be! If they had simply joined the union they would be getting
> the same exact pay and benefits as the northern worker living a higher
> standard of life and there would have been an even playing field for all
> manufactures from the start. For years it has been said that the Japanese
> choose the southern worker simply to take advantage of there ignorance. I
> guess the article proves they were right about that one. Now the northern
> worker will be forced to be dragged down to the level of pay of the
> southern worker. Its a simple question of is everyone on board to make a
> lot of money or will a segment of the community just drag others down to
> make a lesser amount of money???

So a bail will do what ?? There's hundreds of thousands of their cars
sitting unsold on car lots...oh yeah, lets get them back to work to make
many more thousands of cars that nobody wants so they came park them on
lots.

I'd personally like to see all three go down the tubes...get rid of their
management, unions, and baggage. Let the Jap companies buy up the corpses
and resurrect them into efficient concerns.

On Dec 20, 5:51*pm, "Jack" <bigcletus...@yahoo.com.com> wrote:
> "Rock Hardson" <RH...@yahooo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:494d1243$0$1509$822641b3@news.adtechcomputers .com...
>
> >http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...08/12/19/AR200...
>
> > The article states that the southern japanese factory worker was offered
> > to join the union bringing wages on par to its northern American worker
> > but they opted to stay bare foot and po' for japanese pennies. How STUPID
> > can people be! If they had simply joined the union they would be getting
> > the same exact pay and benefits as the northern worker living a higher
> > standard of life and there would have been an even playing field for all
> > manufactures from the start. For years it has been said that the Japanese
> > choose the southern worker simply to take advantage of there ignorance.I
> > guess the article proves they were right about that one. Now the northern
> > worker will be forced to be dragged down to the level of pay of the
> > southern worker. Its a simple question of is everyone on board to make a
> > lot of money or will a segment of the community just drag others down to
> > make a lesser amount of money???
>
> So a bail will do what ?? *There's *hundreds of thousands of their cars
> sitting unsold on car lots...oh yeah, lets get them back to work to make
> many more thousands of cars that nobody wants so they came park them on
> lots.
>
> I'd personally like to see all three go down the tubes...get rid of their
> management, unions, and baggage. *Let the Jap companies buy up the corpses
> and resurrect them into efficient concerns.
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1989-1998 240sx tutorials (91-94 unless indicated) :
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A
bbreviations
AIV removal(PAIR
valve)
Air Regulator

Alignment
Alternator removal
Needs work
[url=http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread/256470]Antenna Install[/
url]
Automatic
transmission-1991-1994-FSM
Battery
terminal replacement
Battery FAQ
[url=http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=253102]Belts-changing[/
url]Needs work
Brakes-1991-1994-FSM

Brakes-Bleeder screw

Brakes-replace rear
pads
Brakes-replace rear
rotors
Brake master
cylinder replacement
Brake light
Buying
guide-1989-1998
Cam
Alignment(1991-1998)
Catalytic converter
[url=http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread/220791]Cleaning Detailing[/
url]
Clutch master
cylinder
[url=http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread/160195]Clutch-replacing[/
url] (no pictures)
Clutch-1991-1994-FSM

Codes: retrieving
and reading(1991-1994)
Codes:
retrieving & reading(1995-1998)
Codes: retieving &
reading(1989-90 SOHC)
Code 34
detonation/knock sensor
Compression test
methodology
Computer codes:
reading
Control
arm-front lower control arm replacement
Coolant system-
general
[url=http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=220948]Coolant change[/
url]
Coolant-
Temperature sensor
Crankshaft position
sensor
[url=http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread/157923]CV boot replacement[/
url]
[url=http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread/228752]Dash removal[/
url]
Defogger-rear
defroster(1989-1998)
Detonation sensor/
knock sensor
Differential-
aftermarket install
Differential oil
change
Distributor
see Timing
[url=http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread/357786]Distributor timing [/
url]
Dist. timing trouble-
shoot
Door-
hinge sags Needs work
Door latch
troubleshooting(Driver's door)
[url=http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread/253736]Door Panel removal[/
url]
Engine-
Fuel_emission-1991-1994-FSM
Engine
Removal 1991-98
[url=http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread/312528]ECU-serial numbers[/
url]
ECU- Tuning
Electronic help
Exhaust manifold
removal
Factory service
manual-1991-1994 Incomplete-see link in my signature
Factory service manual
1989 best
Factory service
manual-1989-1990
Factory service
manual-1995
Factory service
manual-1998
Fender brace
install

Fiberglassing
Flooding
Freeze plug
(expansion)
Fuel filter
replacement
Fuel injector
replacement
Fuel Injector Leak
test
Fuel pressure
regulator
Fuel Pressure specs(see fuel pressure reg. article 34/43 psi)
Fuel pump install

Fuel Pump install
(s14)
Fuel pump
Needs work
Fuel pump kill switch

Fuse & Relay
Locations
[url=http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread/216236]Ground kit[/
url]
[url=http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread/159907]Ground-checking[/
url]
Hatch-
water leak
Headlight
troubleshooting
Helicoil
Idle-
stalling at stop lights
[url=http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread/254123]Idle adjustment[/
url]
IACV AAC cleaning
& electrical trouble-shooting
Ignition lock/
switch
Intake manifold good article
Intake-AEM install
on 1997
knock
sensor/Detonation sensor
Light
bulb replacement-dash
Leak down test- FUEL

Light bulb- S14
Climate control
[url=http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread/254283]MAF-cleaning[/
url]
Master cylinder
(brake) replacement
Master cylinder
brake bleeder kit
Oil pump
inspection
[url=http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread/275181]Oil pressure sensor[/
url]
Oxygen sensor
PCV
Paint codes
l
[url=http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=142280]PCV-Location[/
url]
Power steering-
hose replacement
Power steering-rebuild for
1995
Power steering pump-
removal/replacement
Power steering
system-bleeding
[url=http://www.the12volt.com/relays/relays.asp]Relays-theory[/
url]
Radiator
Radio
harness wire colours-89-98
S
eat upgrade
Specifications
(1991-1994)
Stalling-at stop
lights
Starting -hard start
when engine warm
Starting-hard start
when engine cold
Starter trouble-
shooting-Engine won't turn over
Steering-also see power steering
Steering wheel
removal
1990 steering rack replacement
Steering-rack
bushing replacement
Steering-Tie rod
removal
[url=http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=289636]Steering-tie rod[/
url]
Steering-tie rod/
rack angle
Stereo Faq see
radio
Stripped bolt
remedy

Stripped bolt remedy
[url=http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=247358]Stud replacement[/
url]
Subframe
[url=http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread/242578]Subrame(1995-1998)[/
url]
[url=http://zilvia.net/f/chat/165043-bushings.html]Subframe bushings[/
url]
Suspension-misc
Suspension: Front Struts
Suspension: Rear shocks
[url=http://www.nicoclub.com/articles.php?id=212392]Suspensiion-Sway
bar end link, Tension control rod, Control arm bushings(all front)[/
url]

Suspension: front lower control arm replacement
Suspension-Rear
ball joint

Suspension-Ball joint replacement video
Suspension-
tension control rod
Suspension: Rear sway bar
T
emperature sensor-coolant
Thermostat
[url=http://www.240sx.org/faq/articles/
throttle_position_sensor_adjustm.htm]Throttle position sensor(TPS)[/
url]
[url=http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=330774]Tie rod removal[/
url]
[url=http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread/358264]Timing Light guide[/
url]
[url=http://www.240sx.org/faq/articles/timing.htm]Timing-adjusting[/
url]
[url=http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread/357786]Timing-Distributor [/
url]
Dist. timing trouble-
shoot
Timing Chain Rattle
(1991-1998)
Timing chain rattle
(SOHC)(1989-90)

Timing chain install (SOHC)
Timing chain
replacement(SOHC) best
Timing Chain
(DOHC) Incomplete
Tires
Tire chains
[url=http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread/358025]Top Dead Center[/
url]
Transmission oil change

Transmission
Vacuum
diagrams
[url=http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread/255646]Vacuum Pump Leak[/
url]
Valve removal/
seal replace
VIN-reading/
decoding
Water pump
replacement
Water pump(1995-1998)

Wheels
Wheel stud
replacement
Wheel stud
replacement2
Wheel bearing
replacement-rear
Windshield wiper
noise fix
Window-repairing amp
(1989-1995)
Window-repairing
power windows(1996-1998)
[url=http://www.240sx.org/faq/articles/power_windows.htm]Window-stuck[/
url]
Window-replace motor
1995-98
[url=http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=251576]Wiring diagrams[/
url]

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Air intake install
Air
Intake install-S14-(AEM)
Air
Intake-Custom S14
Brake
upgrade-240sx to 300zx
Clutch
install

Fan-electric wiring
Fan-wiring
Fan-electric wiring
Fan install-
electric for s14
Fiberglassing
Header Intall
[url=http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread/206434]Hood pin install[/
url]
LSD(limited
slip differential) install
multichecker

Nitrous oxide-direct port wet kit 1990 240sx
Painting-headlight
housing
Sound
system intall 1995 240sx

Suspension-coilover conversion
Swap-auto
to 5speed s14
Turbo-1989
240sx
Turbo
1990 240sx


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come crying to us if you do

On Sat, 20 Dec 2008 14:21:46 -0500, Rock Hardson cast forth these pearls of
wisdom...:


>
> Yeh...and its just fine to that Japanese CEO get billions in return for
> paying workers $14 and hour to screw on a bolt over and over and over again
> 8 hours a day. You try doing that and see if you don't go crazy.

It does not matter if it drives them crazy. If they want more interesting
work then let them get off their duff and get an education or develop
skills that will afford them those opportunities. Boring work is not a
justification for pay. If you don't have a lot to offer, you do the crummy
work for the crummy pay.

> If you have
> a job doing crazy mind draining activity at least make it worth your while
> and get paid for it.

At minimum wage those people would indeed be getting all the pay
worthwhile. Don't like crazy mind draining activity? Then get off your
duff and improve yourself. Quit crying about mind draining activity.

> And I bet if your father was putting bread on your
> table for screwing on a bolt, you would have no problem at all buying
> American would you?

I have no problem buying either American or import and my father is dead,
so he's not putting bread on the table for screwing in a bolt. He did
however, instill in us a drive to work for what you want and not rely on
lame whines like "mind draining". He taught us that if we don't like where
we are/what we're doing, then improve yourself in order to move on past it.
You might want to try the same.

--

-Mike-
mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net