Honda Car Forum

"Rock Hardson" <RH232@yahooo.com> wrote in message
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> Lets see you build a car or any other vehicle for that matter? If you do
> lets see you build hundreds and hundreds in a days time. When people began
> to make excuses for ignorance then we are really in trouble.

Many, many cars are made in the US by companies other than GM, Ford, or
Chrysler. I am not necessarily in favor of them going out of business, but I
would like to see them in Chapter 11 reorganization so that they can create
a sustainable business model.

If no one in the US bought a new car for 2 years, the US would not collapse
because of lack of new cars (but it obviously would suffer because of high
unemployment if the auto manufacturers went out of business). New cars are
mostly a luxury item and we really don't need to keep buying or making as
many new ones as we do now.

"Rock Hardson" <RH232@yahooo.com> wrote in message
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> And they will be the first targets they hit. Hell I could fly a Cessna
> through Brazil airspace and drop a bomb out the door unopposed without the
> any AA fire. They would be sitting ducks.

The Japanese? So you are saying that Japan is likely to have a war with the
US, and that they will bomb the Ford plant in Brazil.

I think you forgot to take your meds today.

"Rock Hardson" <RH232@yahooo.com> wrote in message
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> Again software is not an industrial manufacturing base, they are paper
> pushers. They build nothing.

Sorry you feel that way. Building software systems is building something
IMO. In fact, not a single manufacturing plant or CNC machine would run
without software systems.

Not a single cruise missile would hit its target without very complex
software systems. Without software, our missiles would have the accuracy of
a Scud missile.

I realize you are probably a blue collar worker, but your ignorance is
astonishing.

"Rock Hardson" <RH232@yahooo.com> wrote in message
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> Oh they would care about this one. Unless you are rich and isolated, every
> corner of the US will feel it to some degree, not immediatly but you will
> see and feel it.

I agree that everyone would feel it to some degree, but how come auto
workers don't care when people in the Southwest loose their jobs?

On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 17:02:25 -0500, "Mike Hunter"
<mikehunt2@lycos/com> wrote:

>Americans will never learn. The American government put the American steel
>companies out of business by allowing foreign steel to flood the US market
>with low price steel, made overseas in more modern steel plants, built after
>WWII by the US taxpayers, in counties where the governments subsidies the
>steel companies like they do their auto industries!

Of course, the Big Three never complained about that cheap foreign
steel, did they?

>The steelworkers union gave concession after concession to the American
>steel companies in an effort to save THEIR jobs but the American steel
>companies went out of business anyway and were bought our by foreign steel
>companies for pennies on the dollar. The foreign owners then raised the
>price of steel to its highest price in history and still pay the steelworks
>under the old contract terms.
>
>Today the taxpayers in southern states are doing the very same thing
>building assembly plants for Japanese and European car manufactures that are
>subsided by their governments.

I don't think Honda, et al are going to let the good ol' boys build
their assembly plants, but they take all kinds of concessions from the
state and local governments. Lots of liberals complained about states
giving tax breaks to corporations, but we were told to shut up because
this was the free market.

>If President Bush had allowed our last remaining major defense industry to
>go out of business we would need to get our tanks for overseas

This is the biggest horse shit excuse for bailing out the car
companies. Honda, Toyota, et al have US plants that could build tanks
just as well (better) than the domestic companies.

Mike, you are caught in the middle. The liberals (or at least a lot
of them) want to save the American companies to preserve American jobs
and the union. The (so called) conservative leaders don't give a crap
about those jobs and they positively despise the unions. So Mike,
which side are you on?

On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 21:40:59 -0600, Gordon McGrew
<gRmEcMgOrVeEw@mindspring.com> wrote:

>This is the biggest horse shit excuse for bailing out the car
>companies. Honda, Toyota, et al have US plants that could build tanks
>just as well (better) than the domestic companies.
>
>Mike, you are caught in the middle. The liberals (or at least a lot
>of them) want to save the American companies to preserve American jobs
>and the union.

Part of their voter base, and the rest due to their bleeding hearts.

>The (so called) conservative leaders don't give a crap
>about those jobs and they positively despise the unions. So Mike,
>which side are you on?

The neo-cons want all the government money they can get. Witness the
last 8 years. There are no real conservatives in the RNP anymore (at
least none with power).

On Sun, 28 Dec 2008 22:15:25 -0500, "Mark A" <someone@someone.com>
wrote:

>"me" <noemail@nothere.com> wrote in message
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>> It's a lot bigger that "non-union software development". It's also
>> large chunks of the service sector, most manufacturing, anything that
>> doesn't specifically require a local labor force. We need to tariff
>> imported labor just like we tariff other imported goods. Otherwise
>> there won't be any jobs left in the USA or any people with money able
>> to pay the "US" corporations for their imported goods.
>
>The imposition of tariffs by the US will result in the US being completely
>isolated, and our multi-national corporations being destroyed, including GM,
>Ford, GE, IBM, Microsoft, Boeing, and many others who do substantial
>business overseas.

Highly debatable. However, when "US" corporations such as you mention
no longer have anything in the USA but management, will it really
matter anymore that they are "US" corporations?

FYI - do you know what's happening with imported labor i.e. H1B and
other work visas? Check out the latest in importing labor. Jobs that
can't be outsourced are insourced with cheaper labor. Refer to my
point above for more on the impact.

"E. Meyer" <epmeyer50@msn.com> wrote in message
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> On 12/20/08 9:41 AM, in article
> 494d1243$0$1509$822641b3@news.adtechcomputers.com, "Rock Hardson"
> <RH232@yahooo.com> wrote:
>
>> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...AR200812190385
>> 6.html?hpid%3Dtopnews&sub=AR
>>
>> The article states that the southern japanese factory worker was offered
>> to
>> join the union bringing wages on par to its northern American worker but
>> they opted to stay bare foot and po' for japanese pennies. How STUPID can
>> people be! If they had simply joined the union they would be getting the
>> same exact pay and benefits as the northern worker living a higher
>> standard
>> of life and there would have been an even playing field for all
>> manufactures
>> from the start. For years it has been said that the Japanese choose the
>> southern worker simply to take advantage of there ignorance. I guess the
>> article proves they were right about that one. Now the northern worker
>> will
>> be forced to be dragged down to the level of pay of the southern worker.
>> Its
>> a simple question of is everyone on board to make a lot of money or will
>> a
>> segment of the community just drag others down to make a lesser amount of
>> money???
>>
>
> If the Southern workers had joined the union and tried to force Detroit
> style pay and benefit packages, then the Japanese plants would all be in
> Mexico (just like many GM and Mercedes plants already are).
>

By the way, after you take into consideration the yearly UAW dues, those po'
sutthen boys clear just as much money as them northenn GM and Ford
employees, and without the hassle.

Is it OK that Japan to support its auto industry? I am far from a liberal
nor a neo-con, rather a true Reagan Democrat conservative that believes in
self reliance, but there is no way we can allow one of our last reaming
AMERICAN defense industry to go out of business, like we did with our steel
companies. If we get into another big war, ALL of the foreign owned
manufactures would need to be taken over by the government, as well.

Bantam developed the Jeep but never built one, they only made trailers for
Jeeps. The Jeep was given to Willys by the War Office. When it was shown
Willys could not build then fast enough the job went to Henry Ford, who made
80% of the Jeeps in WWII and sold them to the Government at cost.

When the steel companies could not make enough steel, the Navy build blast
furnaces, open hearth furnaces and ship yards. However they ALL had the
basics in place. Today that is no longer the case, and any future war will
not be overseas, to give us time to gear up, it will be here on American
soil. You import supporters who always complain about President Bush, who
has kept the country safe for eight years, will be the first to complain
when your city is attacked.

"me" <noemail@nothere.com> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 21:40:59 -0600, Gordon McGrew
> <gRmEcMgOrVeEw@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
>>This is the biggest horse shit excuse for bailing out the car
>>companies. Honda, Toyota, et al have US plants that could build tanks
>>just as well (better) than the domestic companies.
>>
>>Mike, you are caught in the middle. The liberals (or at least a lot
>>of them) want to save the American companies to preserve American jobs
>>and the union.
>
> Part of their voter base, and the rest due to their bleeding hearts.
>
>>The (so called) conservative leaders don't give a crap
>>about those jobs and they positively despise the unions. So Mike,
>>which side are you on?
>
> The neo-cons want all the government money they can get. Witness the
> last 8 years. There are no real conservatives in the RNP anymore (at
> least none with power).
>

On Wed, 31 Dec 2008 17:14:55 -0500, "Mike Hunter"
<mikehunt2@lycos/com> wrote:

>Is it OK that Japan to support its auto industry?

How do they do that? Be specific. Provide documentation. Failure to
do so means you are lying out your ass, which we already know to be
the case.

> I am far from a liberal
>nor a neo-con, rather a true Reagan Democrat conservative that believes in
>self reliance, but there is no way we can allow one of our last reaming
>AMERICAN

That's just it. AMERICAN car buyers got tired of the reaming.

>defense industry to go out of business, like we did with our steel
>companies.

Funny, I never bought foreign steel. Must have been all those
domestic companies trying to buy better quality steel at a lower
price.

[snip prattle about WWII]

>Today that is no longer the case, and any future war will
>not be overseas, to give us time to gear up, it will be here on American
>soil.

This is just goofy talk. What scenario are you envisioning where we
would need to rush more tanks into production?

> You import supporters who always complain about President Bush, who
>has kept the country safe for eight years,

Will, except for ignoring that memo about Bin Laden being determined
to strike US.

> will be the first to complain
>when your city is attacked.

Did the New Yorkers complain that there weren't enough tanks to
prevent 9/11?

>"me" <noemail@nothere.com> wrote in message
>news:s3jll417t6ikgift62erd0b5nrmlja5uhi@4ax.com.. .
>> On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 21:40:59 -0600, Gordon McGrew
>> <gRmEcMgOrVeEw@mindspring.com> wrote:
>>
>>>This is the biggest horse shit excuse for bailing out the car
>>>companies. Honda, Toyota, et al have US plants that could build tanks
>>>just as well (better) than the domestic companies.
>>>
>>>Mike, you are caught in the middle. The liberals (or at least a lot
>>>of them) want to save the American companies to preserve American jobs
>>>and the union.
>>
>> Part of their voter base, and the rest due to their bleeding hearts.
>>
>>>The (so called) conservative leaders don't give a crap
>>>about those jobs and they positively despise the unions. So Mike,
>>>which side are you on?
>>
>> The neo-cons want all the government money they can get. Witness the
>> last 8 years. There are no real conservatives in the RNP anymore (at
>> least none with power).
>>
>