Honda Car Forum

"Gosi" <gosinn@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On 13 Dec, 13:10, "L Alpert" <alpe...@xxgmail.com> wrote:
>> "Jeff" <jeff....@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:53c53f6f-c155-4c80-ab4e-ef6f107eeb20@t11g2000yqg.googlegroups.com...
>> On Dec 12, 7:42 pm, Vic Smith <thismailautodele...@comcast.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > You know - unintended consequences.
>> > Lots of social/economy related stuff.
>> > But also much related to limiting competition.
>> > Possibilities:
>> > Toyota/Honda et all jack up prices.
>> > Toyota/Honda et all attempt to lower wages.
>> > UAW gets the vote at transplant sites.
>> > All kinds of interesting possibilities.
>> > Anybody care to speculate?
>>
>> > --Vic
>>
>> The Michigan 3 (they aren't the big 3 anymore - Toyota is bigger
>> than
>> GM worldwide; some call them the Detroit 3 - but they aren't all
>> based
>> in Detroit) will reorganize under bankruptcy protection just like
>> the
>> airlines did. UAW will be forced to eat consessions.
>> -------
>>
>> Adios to pensions of thousands.
>
> Adios tp big bonuses and lousy management.
>
> Hello to new technology and rebirth of progress

The individuals that were counting on promised pensions to carry them
through retirement are the biggest losers. Lousy management types are
usually rewarded new positions through some type of crony-ism.....

Vic Smith wrote:
> You know - unintended consequences.
> Lots of social/economy related stuff.
> But also much related to limiting competition.
> Possibilities:
> Toyota/Honda et all jack up prices.
> Toyota/Honda et all attempt to lower wages.
> UAW gets the vote at transplant sites.
> All kinds of interesting possibilities.
> Anybody care to speculate?
>
> --Vic


i dont see honda/toyota/nissan rocking the boat. they pay well enough,
and theyll continue to do so. theyve always priced slightly higher than
american cars on average, but you get what you pay for, generally. not
so much to be said for the german automakers.

and theres always hyundai/kia to consider as well. theyre not as crappy
as they were before.

Gosi wrote:
> On 13 Dec, 13:10, "L Alpert" <alpe...@xxgmail.com> wrote:
>> "Jeff" <jeff....@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:53c53f6f-c155-4c80-ab4e-ef6f107eeb20@t11g2000yqg.googlegroups.com...
>> On Dec 12, 7:42 pm, Vic Smith <thismailautodele...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>> You know - unintended consequences.
>>> Lots of social/economy related stuff.
>>> But also much related to limiting competition.
>>> Possibilities:
>>> Toyota/Honda et all jack up prices.
>>> Toyota/Honda et all attempt to lower wages.
>>> UAW gets the vote at transplant sites.
>>> All kinds of interesting possibilities.
>>> Anybody care to speculate?
>>> --Vic
>> The Michigan 3 (they aren't the big 3 anymore - Toyota is bigger than
>> GM worldwide; some call them the Detroit 3 - but they aren't all based
>> in Detroit) will reorganize under bankruptcy protection just like the
>> airlines did. UAW will be forced to eat consessions.
>> -------
>>
>> Adios to pensions of thousands.
>
> Adios tp big bonuses and lousy management.
>
> Hello to new technology and rebirth of progress


the first thing GM will do will be to give upper management HUGE bonuses
for all their smart "cost-cutting efforts", which is exactly what roger
smith did after moving plants to meh-hee-co.

SoCalMike wrote:
> Vic Smith wrote:
>> You know - unintended consequences.
>> Lots of social/economy related stuff.
>> But also much related to limiting competition.
>> Possibilities:
>> Toyota/Honda et all jack up prices.
>> Toyota/Honda et all attempt to lower wages.
>> UAW gets the vote at transplant sites.
>> All kinds of interesting possibilities.
>> Anybody care to speculate?
>>
>> --Vic
>
>
> i dont see honda/toyota/nissan rocking the boat. they pay well enough,
> and theyll continue to do so. theyve always priced slightly higher than
> american cars on average, but you get what you pay for, generally. not
> so much to be said for the german automakers.
>
> and theres always hyundai/kia to consider as well. theyre not as crappy
> as they were before.

How much do you think Honda and Toyota would pay if the UAW hadn't
established $28/hr contracts for the Big Three?

"Vic Smith" <thismailautodeleted@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> You know - unintended consequences.
> Lots of social/economy related stuff.
> But also much related to limiting competition.
> Possibilities:
> Toyota/Honda et all jack up prices.
> Toyota/Honda et all attempt to lower wages.
> UAW gets the vote at transplant sites.
> All kinds of interesting possibilities.
> Anybody care to speculate?
>
> --Vic

Something that's been brewing in my mind since finding out that Ford is
faring better that the other 2 U.S. automakers. If G.M./Chrysler go
bankrupt soon, Ford will be okay for awhile. After the BR proceedings and
retooling etc., G.M. and Chrysler will have an distinct advantage with lack
of any previous liabilities including previous warrantes on their previous
products for instance. Ford will still carry all its previous liabilities..
This will probably result in a unfair result in an apparent non-competive
U.S. marketplace per bankruptcy proceedings future results. Ford, as a
result, will be at a disadvantage carrying all its baggage to compete with 1
or 2 U.S.leaner competitors.

To me, this is extremely obvious. Haven't seen this observation on any U.S.
news media commentary or politico. Let alone, the Ford CEO himself.

As a result, I believe its beneficial for Ford to intentionally go bankrupt
to remain competitive in the long run. That, depending on future
developments, may be Ford's intention. Go figure....
--
Dave

2008 Focus , 5 spd no frills coupe- to date per fillup - 33 mpg low - 39 mpg
high.

How much CO footprint to remove and transport basic materials for batteries
and to manufacture the batteries for the Ford Focus and any other hybrid?