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Hairy wrote:

> "Jeff Findley" <jeff.findley@ugs.nojunk.com> wrote in message
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> > There is a reason that many people are getting fed up with seeing gas
> > guzzling full size SUV's on the road.
>
> Yeah, it's called jealousy.

Why would anybody be jealous of impotence?

"HLS" <nospam@nospam.nix> wrote in message
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> "80 Knight" <nospam> wrote in message
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>> According to many Toyota owners, Toyota builds unbreakable Gifts from
>> God. Why don't they and all the other manufactures offer a 6 year bumper
>> to bumper warranty?
>>
>>
>> "Art" <begunaNOSPAMPLEASE@mindspring.com> wrote in message
>> news:HYedndpEwITHSNzUnZ2dnUVZ_rydnZ2d@earthlink.co m...
>>> So why don't they put their money where their mouth is....... shake up
>>> the industry with a 6 year bumper to bumper warranty on all their cars,
>>> retroactive to 5 year old cars.
>
>
> Our Avalon has a 7 year bumper to bumper warranty.. Includes parking lot
> nicks
> in the doors, etc.
>
> Retroactive aint gonna happen.


Toyota (corporate - not dealership) original warranty, or did you add
another plan on top of the original?

On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 08:04:25 -0500, "C. E. White"
<cewhite3@removemindspring.com> wrote:

>So GM migh get 15 billion, AS A LOAN. Worst case, GM goes under, and
>can't repay the loan. So the average taxpayer middle class taxpayer
>losses a $300 investment in a company that employess thousands of
>fellow taxpayers. Meanwhile, the goverment has shoveled 700 billion to
>comanies that have blown billion on bad loans and hyper inflated
>salaries.

You won't catch me arguing in favor of any bailout. Loan or not,
they're wrong.
>
>> Despite their mismanagement being pointed out repeatedly by people
>> from across the business spectrum for decades, they've stuck to
>> their
>> pig headed approach and ignored everyone who did not agree. Now they
>> are reaping the rewards.
>
>What exactly were the people pointing out that constitutes gross
>mismanagement? What did GM do that is so different than what Toyota
>did, or rather what has GM done, that Toyota hasn't tried to do as
>well?

I don't have time to identify all of GM's obvious mistakes. Here are a
few: First, GM failed to adopt TQM and improve quality. It's a LONG
TERM strategy that the Japanese adopted in the 40'5 and 50's. The
results of TWM are long term customer confidence and quality products.
GM's preference was for "cost cutting" and producing a cheaper product
that would increase SHORT TERM profits. Note that the Japanese now
enjoy a reputation for quality cars that bring buyers back again and
again, while GM has a reputation for crappy cars no one buys again.
The proof is in the pudding.

Second, GM refused to acknowledge where the auto market was going.
Instead of taking a small hit today to guarantee a market tomorrow,
they continued to build for quarterly profit. Trucks and SUV's ruled
the day and they didn't listen to anyone who told them that it was a
bad strategy. Whoops - proof in the pudding again.

Third, every time GM got someone on the Board who had a clue about how
to run a company, they pushed him off. They didn't want to modernize,
they didn't want to change. Innovation was not only not encouraged, it
was actively discouraged. Buck the trend and you're out of a job.

>Too bad GM
>management let the engineers go out on a limb with a risky engine
>design.

Aluminum cyl's without liners? That's not engineering, that's
stupidity.

>I wonder what people would have said about the Vega if GM had
>just imported a European 4 cylinder design to power the car. They had
>excellent engines designs available from Opel they could have tooled
>up in the US. But instead, they took a chance on technology that
>didn't work out for them.

You want to know how GM thinks? They bought a majority stake in Saab
in the 1990's. Saab had a rock solid, powerful 4-cyl turbo known for
easily running 300K miles with outstanding power and tuneability for
more power. Did GM wholeheartedly endorse Saabs motor and adapt the
engines / technology to their line? No, they ordered Saab to install a
crappy (30K timing belt changes) Opel V6 in the cars because "a V6 is
what American buyers want". WRONG. Not only did they alienate the
loyal people actually buying Saabs, they blew a golden opportunity to
innovate in their own line.

That's just one example, my typing time is limited.

>I still don't understand how the Government can throw hundreds of
>billions at banks and mortgage companies that were so much more
>mismanaged than GM and not even throw GM a little bone.

All bailouts are wrong.

>Ask yourself this - If this recession gets a lot worse and Toyota
>start spiraling down, what will the Japanese government do? Toyota
>blew billions on a factory in Texas that builds at inferior product
>that they have to literally sell at a loss to move off the lots. How
>come you guys are not trashing Toyota mismanagement?

I'm not a Toyota fan, but they aren't asking for UG Gov't money so I
don't really care what they do. In fact, when the first 25B
"modernization" loan program for the big three passed Congress a few
months ago, Toyota and Nissan were eligible to participate but both
declined to apply for the loans.

"larry moe 'n curly" <larrymoencurly@my-deja.com> wrote in message
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> Hairy wrote:
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>> "Jeff Findley" <jeff.findley@ugs.nojunk.com> wrote in message
>> news:e5a7a$4942830f$927a2cda$5977@FUSE.NET...
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>> > There is a reason that many people are getting fed up with seeing gas
>> > guzzling full size SUV's on the road.
>>
>> Yeah, it's called jealousy.
>
> Why would anybody be jealous of impotence?

Why do you anti-suv guys turn every suv discussion into something sexual?
I get it! You see suv's as reminders of your sexual inadequacy.
No wonder you don't like suv's.

"Hairy" <hairy@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> "larry moe 'n curly" <larrymoencurly@my-deja.com> wrote in message
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>> Hairy wrote:
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>>> "Jeff Findley" <jeff.findley@ugs.nojunk.com> wrote in message
>>> news:e5a7a$4942830f$927a2cda$5977@FUSE.NET...
>>
>>> > There is a reason that many people are getting fed up with seeing gas
>>> > guzzling full size SUV's on the road.
>>>
>>> Yeah, it's called jealousy.
>>
>> Why would anybody be jealous of impotence?
>
> Why do you anti-suv guys turn every suv discussion into something sexual?
> I get it! You see suv's as reminders of your sexual inadequacy.
> No wonder you don't like suv's.


We're not anti-SUV guys. Rather, we would prefer to send as little money as
possible to the country which arranged for the death of 3000 Americans in
Manhattan a few years back. You may have heard about it. This country is not
yet to the point where we can send nothing to the perpetrators, but we *can*
send less.

Two parents and a kid can get around just fine in a mid-size sedan instead
of an Escalade, unless they are traitors and think it's OK that we continue
to finance the murderers of 3000 Americans in Manhattan.

On 13 Dec, 02:39, "JoeSpareBedroom" <dishborea...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> We're not anti-SUV guys. Rather, we would prefer to send as little money as
> possible to the country which arranged for the death of 3000 Americans in
> Manhattan a few years back. You may have heard about it. This country is not

According to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration there
are about 43,000 people killed in fatal car accidents each year in the
United States.

"Gosi" <gosinn@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On 13 Dec, 02:39, "JoeSpareBedroom" <dishborea...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> We're not anti-SUV guys. Rather, we would prefer to send as little money
>> as
>> possible to the country which arranged for the death of 3000 Americans in
>> Manhattan a few years back. You may have heard about it. This country is
>> not
>
> According to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration there
> are about 43,000 people killed in fatal car accidents each year in the
> United States.

Irrelevant and stupid. If you want to continue looking stupid, keep saying
things taught to you by AM radio talk show slobs.

"JoeSpareBedroom" <dishborealis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> "Hairy" <hairy@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>> "larry moe 'n curly" <larrymoencurly@my-deja.com> wrote in message
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>>>
>>> Hairy wrote:
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>>>> "Jeff Findley" <jeff.findley@ugs.nojunk.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:e5a7a$4942830f$927a2cda$5977@FUSE.NET...
>>>
>>>> > There is a reason that many people are getting fed up with seeing gas
>>>> > guzzling full size SUV's on the road.
>>>>
>>>> Yeah, it's called jealousy.
>>>
>>> Why would anybody be jealous of impotence?
>>
>> Why do you anti-suv guys turn every suv discussion into something sexual?
>> I get it! You see suv's as reminders of your sexual inadequacy.
>> No wonder you don't like suv's.
>
>
> We're not anti-SUV guys. Rather, we would prefer to send as little money
> as possible to the country which arranged for the death of 3000 Americans
> in Manhattan a few years back.

And what country would that be?

You may have heard about it. This country is not
> yet to the point where we can send nothing to the perpetrators,

That would be an understatement.
If all the suv's suddenly were capable matching the mileage of the average
sedan, the difference in the amount of imported oil would be negligible, if
noticeable at all. (my opinion)

> >
> Two parents and a kid can get around just fine in a mid-size sedan instead
> of an Escalade, unless they are traitors and think it's OK that we
> continue to finance the murderers of 3000 Americans in Manhattan.

I'm sure you'd prefer to continue to finance the murderers of more than 2400
Americans at Pearl Harbor.

"Hairy" <hairy@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> "JoeSpareBedroom" <dishborealis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>> "Hairy" <hairy@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>>> "larry moe 'n curly" <larrymoencurly@my-deja.com> wrote in message
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>>>>
>>>> Hairy wrote:
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>>>>> "Jeff Findley" <jeff.findley@ugs.nojunk.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:e5a7a$4942830f$927a2cda$5977@FUSE.NET...
>>>>
>>>>> > There is a reason that many people are getting fed up with seeing
>>>>> > gas
>>>>> > guzzling full size SUV's on the road.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yeah, it's called jealousy.
>>>>
>>>> Why would anybody be jealous of impotence?
>>>
>>> Why do you anti-suv guys turn every suv discussion into something
>>> sexual?
>>> I get it! You see suv's as reminders of your sexual inadequacy.
>>> No wonder you don't like suv's.
>>
>>
>> We're not anti-SUV guys. Rather, we would prefer to send as little money
>> as possible to the country which arranged for the death of 3000 Americans
>> in Manhattan a few years back.
>
> And what country would that be?

Were you too young to understand the news just after 9/11? Saudi Arabia, of
course. One of our worst enemies.


> You may have heard about it. This country is not
>> yet to the point where we can send nothing to the perpetrators,
>
> That would be an understatement.
> If all the suv's suddenly were capable matching the mileage of the average
> sedan, the difference in the amount of imported oil would be negligible,
> if noticeable at all. (my opinion)
>
>> >
>> Two parents and a kid can get around just fine in a mid-size sedan
>> instead of an Escalade, unless they are traitors and think it's OK that
>> we continue to finance the murderers of 3000 Americans in Manhattan.
>
> I'm sure you'd prefer to continue to finance the murderers of more than
> 2400 Americans at Pearl Harbor.

Yeah. That's the same thing. <--sarcasm

On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 20:32:25 -0600, Hairy wrote:

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> "larry moe 'n curly" <larrymoencurly@my-deja.com> wrote in message
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>>
>> Hairy wrote:
>>
>>> "Jeff Findley" <jeff.findley@ugs.nojunk.com> wrote in message
>>> news:e5a7a$4942830f$927a2cda$5977@FUSE.NET...
>>
>>> > There is a reason that many people are getting fed up with seeing gas
>>> > guzzling full size SUV's on the road.
>>>
>>> Yeah, it's called jealousy.
>>
>> Why would anybody be jealous of impotence?
>
> Why do you anti-suv guys turn every suv discussion into something sexual?
> I get it! You see suv's as reminders of your sexual inadequacy.
> No wonder you don't like suv's.

I want to get a license plate for my Supra (Targa) that says SML PNS.

Of course, I would GLADLY prove to anyone of the female persuasion that it
is certainly NOT the case! ;P