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"HLS" <nospam@nospam.nix> wrote in message
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> "80 Knight" <nospam> wrote in message
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>> According to many Toyota owners, Toyota builds unbreakable Gifts from
>> God. Why don't they and all the other manufactures offer a 6 year bumper
>> to bumper warranty?
>>
>>
>> "Art" <begunaNOSPAMPLEASE@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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>>> So why don't they put their money where their mouth is....... shake up
>>> the industry with a 6 year bumper to bumper warranty on all their cars,
>>> retroactive to 5 year old cars.
>
>
> Our Avalon has a 7 year bumper to bumper warranty.. Includes parking lot
> nicks in the doors, etc.
>
> Retroactive aint gonna happen.

I'm going to have to assume you are joking, as according to Toyota's
website, even the '09 Avalon XLS has a much worse warranty then say, the '09
Buick Lucerne. The Avalon has the standard 36-month, 36,000 miles, while
the Lucerne has 48-months and 50,000 miles. Even GM's powertrain warranty
beat's Toyota's, with GM's at 100,000, and Toyota's at 60,000. Hell, the
Chrysler 300 does even better, with the unlimited mileage powertrain
warranty.

"80 Knight" <nospam> wrote in message
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>> "80 Knight" <nospam> wrote in message
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>>> According to many Toyota owners, Toyota builds unbreakable Gifts from
>>> God. Why don't they and all the other manufactures offer a 6 year bumper
>>> to bumper warranty?
>>>
>>>
>>> "Art" <begunaNOSPAMPLEASE@mindspring.com> wrote in message
>>> news:HYedndpEwITHSNzUnZ2dnUVZ_rydnZ2d@earthlink.co m...
>>>> So why don't they put their money where their mouth is....... shake up
>>>> the industry with a 6 year bumper to bumper warranty on all their cars,
>>>> retroactive to 5 year old cars.
>>
>>
>> Our Avalon has a 7 year bumper to bumper warranty.. Includes parking lot
>> nicks in the doors, etc.
>>
>> Retroactive aint gonna happen.
>
> I'm going to have to assume you are joking, as according to Toyota's
> website, even the '09 Avalon XLS has a much worse warranty then say, the
> '09 Buick Lucerne. The Avalon has the standard 36-month, 36,000 miles,
> while the Lucerne has 48-months and 50,000 miles. Even GM's powertrain
> warranty beat's Toyota's, with GM's at 100,000, and Toyota's at 60,000.
> Hell, the Chrysler 300 does even better, with the unlimited mileage
> powertrain warranty.


The GM & Chrysler cars **NEED** a longer warranty or nobody would feel safe
buying them.

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>>>>> "80 Knight" <nospam> wrote in message
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>>>>>> Actually, the Escalade Hybrid get's 20 MPG city, and 21 MPG highway.
>>>>>> There's nothing wrong with that. It even does better then the Mini
>>>>>> Cooper S, and BMW X3. I'm not saying I would buy one, as I don't
>>>>>> think they are attractive, but you can't complain about those kind of
>>>>>> MPG figures for such a huge vehicle.
>>>>>
>>>>> There is nothing great about it either. You can get a full size
>>>>> Impala will get 19 mpg in the city and 29 on the highway (6 cyl, 3.5
>>>>> L, Automatic 4-spd). Even with the 5.3 L V8 you'll get 16 mpg city
>>>>> and 24 mpg highway.
>>>>>
>>>>> There is a reason that many people are getting fed up with seeing gas
>>>>> guzzling full size SUV's on the road.
>>>>
>>>> Yeah, it's called jealousy.
>>>
>>>
>>> Only someone with a small penis would say it's jealousy.
>>
>> Grow the hell up. Some people actually take pride in what they drive.
>> They are proud of the way it looks. Obviously this does not apply to
>> Toyota owners, as they make the most boring vehicles in the world. I
>> almost fall asleep everytime I see one. Someday, if you are really good,
>> you might own a vehicle that you are proud to show to your family and
>> friends.
>>
>
> Valid response, but it does nothing to address the jealousy issue.

I was not the one who made the jealousy comment, however, it does happen.
Some people think of a car as nothing more then a tool to get from home to
work. Others enjoy, and take pride in maintaing, upgrading, modifying, and
whatever else you can think of, there cars.

> If I hit the lottery tomorrow, I still wouldn't be driving around in a
> gigantic vehicle unless it somehow addressed a mechanical need (towing,
> off-road, lots of passengers).

That is fair. You say it doesn't address your mechanical need. What about
your desires? If you don't mind driving around all your life in a Camry, or
Civic, that is fine with me. I, on the other hand, prefer a nicer
automobile.

> Pride? In what? You had no hand in building the car you drive unless you
> work for the manufacturer. Pride in the wax job?

Actually, most of my extended family does work for GM, so there is
definitely pride there. As for the wax job, sure. Why do you think there
are so many wax's, cleaning products, detailing products, modification
products, etc. on the market? Those are for people who take pride in there
vehicle, and there's nothing wrong with that. You seem to be saying that
the only people who should own something like a Yukon, are people who need
to carry 7 passengers, and tow a boat at the same time. I disagree. I
happen to very much like the Yukon's, and though my family is large, it
would not be necessary in that respect, nor do I haul a boat, but I like the
vehicle.

"JoeSpareBedroom" <dishborealis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> "80 Knight" <nospam> wrote in message
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>>>> Very true, but there is a huge difference between an Impala, and an
>>>> Escalade, Yukon, or Tahoe.
>>>>
>>>>> There is a reason that many people are getting fed up with seeing gas
>>>>> guzzling full size SUV's on the road. They're even worse than gas
>>>>> guzzling full size four door sedans!
>>>>
>>>> I don't own an SUV, but I have no problem with them. People should be
>>>> allowed to drive what they want. I drive a huge Bonneville. It's a
>>>> 1997, has a supercharger, and is an awesome car. Even with 240
>>>> horsepower, it still get's 29-30 MPG on the highway, and that car was
>>>> built 11 years ago. I don't think the government should be allowed to
>>>> tell people what they can and can not drive. If someone drives a
>>>> Prius, they shouldn't bitch that other people have bigger cars, and it
>>>> scares them on the highway. You knew bigger vehicles existed when you
>>>> bought it. I'm not saying that the auto makers don't need to work on
>>>> those MPG figures for big SUV's, but I don't think we have the right to
>>>> tell people they can't have them.
>>>>
>>>
>>> You're missing something here: There is a fixed percentage of marginally
>>> competent drivers. Never mind the number, because nobody will agree on
>>> it. Nothing will ever change the percentage, whatever the number is.
>>
>> Then those "marginally competent drivers" need to take the bus.
>>
>
> That will never happen. If we tested drivers correctly, there would be an
> uproar about it. We're stuck with the assortment of drivers we have now.

I guess that depends on what you mean by "testing drivers correctly".

>>> Now, put those marginally competent drivers into vehicles which kill
>>> more easily than others*, and you've compounded the problem of having
>>> those drivers on the road to begin with.
>>
>> What about the marginally competent drivers piloting transport trucks?
>> Are we going to take them off the roads too?
>>
>
> See above. Can't do anything about it. Actually, that's wrong. The cops
> could be ordered to stop ticketing people for bullshit like 71 in a 65
> zone, and focus on things which require using their brains instead of
> machines. But, that's just a dream.

Depends on where you live. I have seen cars on our local highway's going 20
KPH over the limit, right by Police cars. Sometimes they pull you over,
sometimes they don't. Now, you go 5 over, and swerve in and out of traffic,
and they'll nail you to the wall.

>>> This leads to a question: Why develop more deadly vehicles with better
>>> mileage, since that'll just entice more people to buy them?
>>
>> Who is to say who is a good driver, and who isn't? You don't know me,
>> you don't know how I drive.
>
> No, but if I followed you around for 10 minutes, I could stick a label on
> you easily, and it would be 100% accurate.

Possibly.

>> If I am a good driver, why shouldn't I be able to get a Yukon that get's
>> good MPG?
>
> You *should* be able to drive one if you want to and you're a safe driver.
> At this point, it's a moot question, though.

So, are you saying that because there are so many bad drivers, and we can't
say who is good and who is bad, we should ban all large vehicles, just so
there isn't a chance of them getting behind the wheel of one? That just
isn't going to work, ever. It still falls back to your moot question: Who
is a good driver, and who is a bad driver?

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> "80 Knight" <nospam> wrote in message
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>> "HLS" <nospam@nospam.nix> wrote in message
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>>>
>>> "80 Knight" <nospam> wrote in message
>>> news:V_mdnQPpAIoHStzUnZ2dnUVZ_sLinZ2d@giganews.com ...
>>>> According to many Toyota owners, Toyota builds unbreakable Gifts from
>>>> God. Why don't they and all the other manufactures offer a 6 year
>>>> bumper
>>>> to bumper warranty?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Art" <begunaNOSPAMPLEASE@mindspring.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:HYedndpEwITHSNzUnZ2dnUVZ_rydnZ2d@earthlink.co m...
>>>>> So why don't they put their money where their mouth is....... shake
>>>>> up
>>>>> the industry with a 6 year bumper to bumper warranty on all their
>>>>> cars,
>>>>> retroactive to 5 year old cars.
>>>
>>>
>>> Our Avalon has a 7 year bumper to bumper warranty.. Includes parking lot
>>> nicks in the doors, etc.
>>>
>>> Retroactive aint gonna happen.
>>
>> I'm going to have to assume you are joking, as according to Toyota's
>> website, even the '09 Avalon XLS has a much worse warranty then say, the
>> '09 Buick Lucerne. The Avalon has the standard 36-month, 36,000 miles,
>> while the Lucerne has 48-months and 50,000 miles. Even GM's powertrain
>> warranty beat's Toyota's, with GM's at 100,000, and Toyota's at 60,000.
>> Hell, the Chrysler 300 does even better, with the unlimited mileage
>> powertrain warranty.
>
>
> The GM & Chrysler cars **NEED** a longer warranty or nobody would feel
> safe
> buying them.

Incorrect. GM believes in it's products enough to offer that warranty.
Obviously Toyota does not...

"80 Knight" <nospam> wrote in message
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>> "80 Knight" <nospam> wrote in message
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>>> "JoeSpareBedroom" <dishborealis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>>>> "Hairy" <hairy@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>>>>>
>>>>> "Jeff Findley" <jeff.findley@ugs.nojunk.com> wrote in message
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>>>>>>
>>>>>> "80 Knight" <nospam> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:s7-dnVXzwO9CO9zUnZ2dnUVZ_hWdnZ2d@giganews.com...
>>>>>>> Actually, the Escalade Hybrid get's 20 MPG city, and 21 MPG highway.
>>>>>>> There's nothing wrong with that. It even does better then the Mini
>>>>>>> Cooper S, and BMW X3. I'm not saying I would buy one, as I don't
>>>>>>> think they are attractive, but you can't complain about those kind
>>>>>>> of MPG figures for such a huge vehicle.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There is nothing great about it either. You can get a full size
>>>>>> Impala will get 19 mpg in the city and 29 on the highway (6 cyl, 3.5
>>>>>> L, Automatic 4-spd). Even with the 5.3 L V8 you'll get 16 mpg city
>>>>>> and 24 mpg highway.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There is a reason that many people are getting fed up with seeing gas
>>>>>> guzzling full size SUV's on the road.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yeah, it's called jealousy.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Only someone with a small penis would say it's jealousy.
>>>
>>> Grow the hell up. Some people actually take pride in what they drive.
>>> They are proud of the way it looks. Obviously this does not apply to
>>> Toyota owners, as they make the most boring vehicles in the world. I
>>> almost fall asleep everytime I see one. Someday, if you are really
>>> good, you might own a vehicle that you are proud to show to your family
>>> and friends.
>>>
>>
>> Valid response, but it does nothing to address the jealousy issue.
>
> I was not the one who made the jealousy comment, however, it does happen.
> Some people think of a car as nothing more then a tool to get from home to
> work. Others enjoy, and take pride in maintaing, upgrading, modifying,
> and whatever else you can think of, there cars.
>
>> If I hit the lottery tomorrow, I still wouldn't be driving around in a
>> gigantic vehicle unless it somehow addressed a mechanical need (towing,
>> off-road, lots of passengers).
>
> That is fair. You say it doesn't address your mechanical need. What
> about your desires? If you don't mind driving around all your life in a
> Camry, or Civic, that is fine with me. I, on the other hand, prefer a
> nicer automobile.

Desires? Not sure. If I hit the lottery tomorrow, I think I'd own a BMW 7
Series for fair weather driving (they're absurd in snow), and stick with my
Tacoma 6 cyl for winter or towing my very small boat. The BMW is a
remarkable car to drive, especially for the 5% of us who know how to drive.
And unlike SUVs, it doesn't cause other vehicles to get lousy gas mileage.

I'll leave you to ponder that last comment for a while. Hint: Right turn on
red.

"80 Knight" <nospam> wrote in message
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> "JoeSpareBedroom" <dishborealis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>> "80 Knight" <nospam> wrote in message
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>>>>> Very true, but there is a huge difference between an Impala, and an
>>>>> Escalade, Yukon, or Tahoe.
>>>>>
>>>>>> There is a reason that many people are getting fed up with seeing gas
>>>>>> guzzling full size SUV's on the road. They're even worse than gas
>>>>>> guzzling full size four door sedans!
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't own an SUV, but I have no problem with them. People should be
>>>>> allowed to drive what they want. I drive a huge Bonneville. It's a
>>>>> 1997, has a supercharger, and is an awesome car. Even with 240
>>>>> horsepower, it still get's 29-30 MPG on the highway, and that car was
>>>>> built 11 years ago. I don't think the government should be allowed to
>>>>> tell people what they can and can not drive. If someone drives a
>>>>> Prius, they shouldn't bitch that other people have bigger cars, and it
>>>>> scares them on the highway. You knew bigger vehicles existed when you
>>>>> bought it. I'm not saying that the auto makers don't need to work on
>>>>> those MPG figures for big SUV's, but I don't think we have the right
>>>>> to tell people they can't have them.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You're missing something here: There is a fixed percentage of
>>>> marginally competent drivers. Never mind the number, because nobody
>>>> will agree on it. Nothing will ever change the percentage, whatever the
>>>> number is.
>>>
>>> Then those "marginally competent drivers" need to take the bus.
>>>
>>
>> That will never happen. If we tested drivers correctly, there would be an
>> uproar about it. We're stuck with the assortment of drivers we have now.
>
> I guess that depends on what you mean by "testing drivers correctly".
>
>>>> Now, put those marginally competent drivers into vehicles which kill
>>>> more easily than others*, and you've compounded the problem of having
>>>> those drivers on the road to begin with.
>>>
>>> What about the marginally competent drivers piloting transport trucks?
>>> Are we going to take them off the roads too?
>>>
>>
>> See above. Can't do anything about it. Actually, that's wrong. The cops
>> could be ordered to stop ticketing people for bullshit like 71 in a 65
>> zone, and focus on things which require using their brains instead of
>> machines. But, that's just a dream.
>
> Depends on where you live. I have seen cars on our local highway's going
> 20 KPH over the limit, right by Police cars. Sometimes they pull you
> over, sometimes they don't. Now, you go 5 over, and swerve in and out of
> traffic, and they'll nail you to the wall.
>
>>>> This leads to a question: Why develop more deadly vehicles with better
>>>> mileage, since that'll just entice more people to buy them?
>>>
>>> Who is to say who is a good driver, and who isn't? You don't know me,
>>> you don't know how I drive.
>>
>> No, but if I followed you around for 10 minutes, I could stick a label on
>> you easily, and it would be 100% accurate.
>
> Possibly.
>
>>> If I am a good driver, why shouldn't I be able to get a Yukon that get's
>>> good MPG?
>>
>> You *should* be able to drive one if you want to and you're a safe
>> driver. At this point, it's a moot question, though.
>
> So, are you saying that because there are so many bad drivers, and we
> can't say who is good and who is bad, we should ban all large vehicles,
> just so there isn't a chance of them getting behind the wheel of one?
> That just isn't going to work, ever. It still falls back to your moot
> question: Who is a good driver, and who is a bad driver?
>

I never said any particular vehicle should be banned. Where do you *imagine*
I said that?

"80 Knight" <nospam> wrote in message
>
> I'm going to have to assume you are joking, as according to Toyota's
> website, even the '09 Avalon XLS has a much worse warranty then say, the
> '09 Buick Lucerne. The Avalon has the standard 36-month, 36,000 miles,
> while the Lucerne has 48-months and 50,000 miles. Even GM's powertrain
> warranty beat's Toyota's, with GM's at 100,000, and Toyota's at 60,000.
> Hell, the Chrysler 300 does even better, with the unlimited mileage
> powertrain warranty.

I am not joking at all. 7 years, 70,000 miles, bumper to bumper

On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 22:16:42 -0500, 80 Knight wrote:

>
> According to many Toyota owners, Toyota builds unbreakable Gifts from God.
> Why don't they and all the other manufactures offer a 6 year bumper to
> bumper warranty?

I have a 7 year/100,000 mile warranty on my '05 Scion tC. Had to have a
battery replaced. No charge (er, no pun intended...). Thank you!

I only got a three year/36,000 warranty with my '85 and '87 Corollas. The
'85 is still in my back yard...I don't think I ever used the warranty.
YES! The radio had to be replaced.

My '74 Corolla 1200 came with a 12/12 warranty. It blew the rear axle at
15,000 miles. Toyota fixed it gratis.

On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 12:37:16 -0500, 80 Knight wrote:

>>> I'm going to have to assume you are joking, as according to Toyota's
>>> website, even the '09 Avalon XLS has a much worse warranty then say, the
>>> '09 Buick Lucerne. The Avalon has the standard 36-month, 36,000 miles,
>>> while the Lucerne has 48-months and 50,000 miles. Even GM's powertrain
>>> warranty beat's Toyota's, with GM's at 100,000, and Toyota's at 60,000.
>>> Hell, the Chrysler 300 does even better, with the unlimited mileage
>>> powertrain warranty.
>>
>>
>> The GM & Chrysler cars **NEED** a longer warranty or nobody would feel
>> safe
>> buying them.
>
> Incorrect. GM believes in it's products enough to offer that warranty.

LOL! BULLSHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!

Nobody would buy their crappy cars without a bumper to bumper warranty!
Why do you think they offer it?

And they only offer it on their better cars. What kind of warranty did the
Cavalier have?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!