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"80 Knight" <nospam> wrote in message
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> Actually, the Escalade Hybrid get's 20 MPG city, and 21 MPG highway.
> There's nothing wrong with that. It even does better then the Mini Cooper
> S, and BMW X3. I'm not saying I would buy one, as I don't think they are
> attractive, but you can't complain about those kind of MPG figures for
> such a huge vehicle.

There is nothing great about it either. You can get a full size Impala will
get 19 mpg in the city and 29 on the highway (6 cyl, 3.5 L, Automatic
4-spd). Even with the 5.3 L V8 you'll get 16 mpg city and 24 mpg highway.

There is a reason that many people are getting fed up with seeing gas
guzzling full size SUV's on the road. They're even worse than gas guzzling
full size four door sedans!

Jeff
--
"Many things that were acceptable in 1958 are no longer acceptable today.
My own standards have changed too." -- Freeman Dyson

80 Knight wrote:
> "HLS" <nospam@nospam.nix> wrote in message
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>> "80 Knight" <nospam> wrote in message
>>> From what I see, GM is in very desperate need of the cash, and will say
>>> anything to get it. There survival (and possibly the survival of the
>>> other Big3) depends on it. What a shame that a good auto manufacture has
>>> to beg, and lie (lies that will actually hurt them) to get $35 million,
>>> when the big banks were handed $700 billion on a gold platter.
>>
>> GM wanted billions from the government, not a lousy $35 million.
>
> Yes, they wanted $35 (B)illion. That was clearly a typo. However, compared
> with the $700 Billion already given to the banks, $35 Billion is pretty
> lousy.
>
>

Not to mention the fact that it is a loan and i don't think the $700
Billion is a loan.

Jeff Findley wrote:

> Of course, all but the smallest hybrids seem to get poor mileage. My wife's
> Pontiac Vibe's EPA estimates are 25 city 33 highway. We'd never trade that
> for a hybrid that gets essentially the same mileage.

And the non-hybrid, VW Jetta TDI, set a new Guinness record for
averaging 58.82 miles per gallon. No batteries, no electric motors, and
a car that those that would never buy a Prius might be willing to buy.

What changed in the U.S. for diesel's is that diesel fuel is now
low-sulfer. A lot of diesel engines sold around the world can now be
used in the U.S.. Mitsubishi could really leverage this if they had a
marketing person working for them.

Of course the TDI comes to market at the one time in history when diesel
is much more expensive than gasoline. The $1300 federal income tax
credit might help offset that cost (not available on Prius).

"Tim" <jmeth111@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
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> 80 Knight wrote:
>> "HLS" <nospam@nospam.nix> wrote in message
>> news:jaj0l.10337$YU2.7069@nlpi066.nbdc.sbc.com...
>>> "80 Knight" <nospam> wrote in message
>>>> From what I see, GM is in very desperate need of the cash, and will say
>>>> anything to get it. There survival (and possibly the survival of the
>>>> other Big3) depends on it. What a shame that a good auto manufacture
>>>> has to beg, and lie (lies that will actually hurt them) to get $35
>>>> million, when the big banks were handed $700 billion on a gold platter.
>>>
>>> GM wanted billions from the government, not a lousy $35 million.
>>
>> Yes, they wanted $35 (B)illion. That was clearly a typo. However,
>> compared with the $700 Billion already given to the banks, $35 Billion is
>> pretty lousy.
>
> Not to mention the fact that it is a loan and i don't think the $700
> Billion is a loan.

Very true. I saw on TV today that one of the big banks has decided to fire
X amount of people, while giving the upper management a raise.

"Jeff Findley" <jeff.findley@ugs.nojunk.com> wrote in message
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>
> "80 Knight" <nospam> wrote in message
> news:s7-dnVXzwO9CO9zUnZ2dnUVZ_hWdnZ2d@giganews.com...
>> Actually, the Escalade Hybrid get's 20 MPG city, and 21 MPG highway.
>> There's nothing wrong with that. It even does better then the Mini
>> Cooper S, and BMW X3. I'm not saying I would buy one, as I don't think
>> they are attractive, but you can't complain about those kind of MPG
>> figures for such a huge vehicle.
>
> There is nothing great about it either. You can get a full size Impala
> will get 19 mpg in the city and 29 on the highway (6 cyl, 3.5 L, Automatic
> 4-spd). Even with the 5.3 L V8 you'll get 16 mpg city and 24 mpg highway.

Very true, but there is a huge difference between an Impala, and an
Escalade, Yukon, or Tahoe.

> There is a reason that many people are getting fed up with seeing gas
> guzzling full size SUV's on the road. They're even worse than gas
> guzzling full size four door sedans!

I don't own an SUV, but I have no problem with them. People should be
allowed to drive what they want. I drive a huge Bonneville. It's a 1997,
has a supercharger, and is an awesome car. Even with 240 horsepower, it
still get's 29-30 MPG on the highway, and that car was built 11 years ago.
I don't think the government should be allowed to tell people what they can
and can not drive. If someone drives a Prius, they shouldn't bitch that
other people have bigger cars, and it scares them on the highway. You knew
bigger vehicles existed when you bought it. I'm not saying that the auto
makers don't need to work on those MPG figures for big SUV's, but I don't
think we have the right to tell people they can't have them.

"SMS" <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote in message
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> Jeff Findley wrote:
>
>> Of course, all but the smallest hybrids seem to get poor mileage. My
>> wife's Pontiac Vibe's EPA estimates are 25 city 33 highway. We'd never
>> trade that for a hybrid that gets essentially the same mileage.
>
> And the non-hybrid, VW Jetta TDI, set a new Guinness record for averaging
> 58.82 miles per gallon. No batteries, no electric motors, and a car that
> those that would never buy a Prius might be willing to buy.

That's really good. The early 80's Rabbit Diesels only got about 50 mpg.
My dad had one. When I drove it, I'd put 9 gallons of diesel in it every
two weeks. It cost me far less in fuel costs than any of my friend's cars.

> What changed in the U.S. for diesel's is that diesel fuel is now
> low-sulfer. A lot of diesel engines sold around the world can now be used
> in the U.S.. Mitsubishi could really leverage this if they had a marketing
> person working for them.
>
> Of course the TDI comes to market at the one time in history when diesel
> is much more expensive than gasoline. The $1300 federal income tax credit
> might help offset that cost (not available on Prius).

Unfortunately, GM did *a lot* to hurt the reputation of diesels in the US.
Just another way they've really screwed up the US car market. :-P

Jeff
--
"Many things that were acceptable in 1958 are no longer acceptable today.
My own standards have changed too." -- Freeman Dyson

"80 Knight" <nospam> wrote in message
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> According to many Toyota owners, Toyota builds unbreakable Gifts from God.
> Why don't they and all the other manufactures offer a 6 year bumper to
> bumper warranty?
>
>
> "Art" <begunaNOSPAMPLEASE@mindspring.com> wrote in message
> news:HYedndpEwITHSNzUnZ2dnUVZ_rydnZ2d@earthlink.co m...
>> So why don't they put their money where their mouth is....... shake up
>> the industry with a 6 year bumper to bumper warranty on all their cars,
>> retroactive to 5 year old cars.


Our Avalon has a 7 year bumper to bumper warranty.. Includes parking lot
nicks
in the doors, etc.

Retroactive aint gonna happen.

"Jeff Findley" <jeff.findley@ugs.nojunk.com> wrote in message
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>
> "80 Knight" <nospam> wrote in message
> news:s7-dnVXzwO9CO9zUnZ2dnUVZ_hWdnZ2d@giganews.com...
>> Actually, the Escalade Hybrid get's 20 MPG city, and 21 MPG highway.
>> There's nothing wrong with that. It even does better then the Mini
>> Cooper S, and BMW X3. I'm not saying I would buy one, as I don't think
>> they are attractive, but you can't complain about those kind of MPG
>> figures for such a huge vehicle.
>
> There is nothing great about it either. You can get a full size Impala
> will get 19 mpg in the city and 29 on the highway (6 cyl, 3.5 L, Automatic
> 4-spd). Even with the 5.3 L V8 you'll get 16 mpg city and 24 mpg highway.
>
> There is a reason that many people are getting fed up with seeing gas
> guzzling full size SUV's on the road.

Yeah, it's called jealousy.

"80 Knight" <nospam> wrote in message
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> "Jeff Findley" <jeff.findley@ugs.nojunk.com> wrote in message
> news:e5a7a$4942830f$927a2cda$5977@FUSE.NET...
>>
>> "80 Knight" <nospam> wrote in message
>> news:s7-dnVXzwO9CO9zUnZ2dnUVZ_hWdnZ2d@giganews.com...
>>> Actually, the Escalade Hybrid get's 20 MPG city, and 21 MPG highway.
>>> There's nothing wrong with that. It even does better then the Mini
>>> Cooper S, and BMW X3. I'm not saying I would buy one, as I don't think
>>> they are attractive, but you can't complain about those kind of MPG
>>> figures for such a huge vehicle.
>>
>> There is nothing great about it either. You can get a full size Impala
>> will get 19 mpg in the city and 29 on the highway (6 cyl, 3.5 L,
>> Automatic 4-spd). Even with the 5.3 L V8 you'll get 16 mpg city and 24
>> mpg highway.
>
> Very true, but there is a huge difference between an Impala, and an
> Escalade, Yukon, or Tahoe.
>
>> There is a reason that many people are getting fed up with seeing gas
>> guzzling full size SUV's on the road. They're even worse than gas
>> guzzling full size four door sedans!
>
> I don't own an SUV, but I have no problem with them. People should be
> allowed to drive what they want. I drive a huge Bonneville. It's a 1997,
> has a supercharger, and is an awesome car. Even with 240 horsepower, it
> still get's 29-30 MPG on the highway, and that car was built 11 years ago.
> I don't think the government should be allowed to tell people what they
> can and can not drive. If someone drives a Prius, they shouldn't bitch
> that other people have bigger cars, and it scares them on the highway.
> You knew bigger vehicles existed when you bought it. I'm not saying that
> the auto makers don't need to work on those MPG figures for big SUV's, but
> I don't think we have the right to tell people they can't have them.
>

You're missing something here: There is a fixed percentage of marginally
competent drivers. Never mind the number, because nobody will agree on it.
Nothing will ever change the percentage, whatever the number is.

Now, put those marginally competent drivers into vehicles which kill more
easily than others*, and you've compounded the problem of having those
drivers on the road to begin with. This leads to a question: Why develop
more deadly vehicles with better mileage, since that'll just entice more
people to buy them?

*Not debatable without denying the laws of physics. Thanks for not debating
it.

"Hairy" <hairy@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Jeff Findley" <jeff.findley@ugs.nojunk.com> wrote in message
> news:e5a7a$4942830f$927a2cda$5977@FUSE.NET...
>>
>> "80 Knight" <nospam> wrote in message
>> news:s7-dnVXzwO9CO9zUnZ2dnUVZ_hWdnZ2d@giganews.com...
>>> Actually, the Escalade Hybrid get's 20 MPG city, and 21 MPG highway.
>>> There's nothing wrong with that. It even does better then the Mini
>>> Cooper S, and BMW X3. I'm not saying I would buy one, as I don't think
>>> they are attractive, but you can't complain about those kind of MPG
>>> figures for such a huge vehicle.
>>
>> There is nothing great about it either. You can get a full size Impala
>> will get 19 mpg in the city and 29 on the highway (6 cyl, 3.5 L,
>> Automatic 4-spd). Even with the 5.3 L V8 you'll get 16 mpg city and 24
>> mpg highway.
>>
>> There is a reason that many people are getting fed up with seeing gas
>> guzzling full size SUV's on the road.
>
> Yeah, it's called jealousy.


Only someone with a small penis would say it's jealousy.