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"80 Knight" <nospam> wrote in message
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> "Jeff Findley" <jeff.findley@ugs.nojunk.com> wrote in message
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>>
>> "Nate Nagel" <njnagel@roosters.net> wrote in message
>> news:ghpmqu0mhk@news6.newsguy.com...
>>> I heard on the radio today that Wagoner himself had apologized before
>>> Congress for not investing more in electric/hybrid technologies. That
>>> pisses me off... as much as I've been disappointed in GM they have done
>>> more than any other company (possible exceptions Honda and Toyota, but
>>> I'd still give the edge to GM) to try to make electric cars practical.
>>
>> Besides a few of their large SUV's, what cars do GM sell that are
>> hybrids?
>
> GM has more Hybrid vehicles they any other auto manufacture. Chevy Tahoe,
> GMC Yukon, Chevy Malibu, Chevy Silverado, GMC Sierra, Saturn Aura, Saturn
> Vue, and the Caddy Escalade.
>


A hybrid Escalade. Great. A stupid vehicle that still gets lousy mileage,
owned for the most part by people who should not be driving anything that
large. Ha.

Thus spake Nate Nagel <njnagel@roosters.net> :

>Oscar Finkleheimer wrote:
>> In article <o3l0k4lh1qe5ucvnn4i1p1kp93tq5p94ga@4ax.com>,

<snip>
> Don't apologize for s**t you didn't do, that
>just makes you look like you're begging (of course, he probably is at
>the "begging" point now...)

He is begging. For his job.

>
>unfortunately I can't find a news link yet, but I bet it will show up
>shortly.
>
>nate
--
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Unless it's really a meteorite hurtling to the Earth which
will destroy all life. Then you're pretty much hosed no
matter what you wish for. Unless it's death by meteor.

"JoeSpareBedroom" <dishborealis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> "80 Knight" <nospam> wrote in message
> news:wcmdnW8Ej7amAtzUnZ2dnUVZ_hednZ2d@giganews.com ...
>> "Jeff Findley" <jeff.findley@ugs.nojunk.com> wrote in message
>> news:473df$49410894$927a2cda$30709@FUSE.NET...
>>>
>>> "Nate Nagel" <njnagel@roosters.net> wrote in message
>>> news:ghpmqu0mhk@news6.newsguy.com...
>>>> I heard on the radio today that Wagoner himself had apologized before
>>>> Congress for not investing more in electric/hybrid technologies. That
>>>> pisses me off... as much as I've been disappointed in GM they have done
>>>> more than any other company (possible exceptions Honda and Toyota, but
>>>> I'd still give the edge to GM) to try to make electric cars practical.
>>>
>>> Besides a few of their large SUV's, what cars do GM sell that are
>>> hybrids?
>>
>> GM has more Hybrid vehicles they any other auto manufacture. Chevy
>> Tahoe,
>> GMC Yukon, Chevy Malibu, Chevy Silverado, GMC Sierra, Saturn Aura, Saturn
>> Vue, and the Caddy Escalade.
>>
>
>
> A hybrid Escalade. Great. A stupid vehicle that still gets lousy mileage,
> owned for the most part by people who should not be driving anything that
> large. Ha.

Actually, the Escalade Hybrid get's 20 MPG city, and 21 MPG highway.
There's nothing wrong with that. It even does better then the Mini Cooper
S, and BMW X3. I'm not saying I would buy one, as I don't think they are
attractive, but you can't complain about those kind of MPG figures for such
a huge vehicle.

What our friend Joe really means is he can't afford a vehicle like that.

"JoeSpareBedroom" <dishborealis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> "80 Knight" <nospam> wrote in message
> news:wcmdnW8Ej7amAtzUnZ2dnUVZ_hednZ2d@giganews.com ...
>> "Jeff Findley" <jeff.findley@ugs.nojunk.com> wrote in message
>> news:473df$49410894$927a2cda$30709@FUSE.NET...
>>>
>>> "Nate Nagel" <njnagel@roosters.net> wrote in message
>>> news:ghpmqu0mhk@news6.newsguy.com...
>>>> I heard on the radio today that Wagoner himself had apologized before
>>>> Congress for not investing more in electric/hybrid technologies. That
>>>> pisses me off... as much as I've been disappointed in GM they have done
>>>> more than any other company (possible exceptions Honda and Toyota, but
>>>> I'd still give the edge to GM) to try to make electric cars practical.
>>>
>>> Besides a few of their large SUV's, what cars do GM sell that are
>>> hybrids?
>>
>> GM has more Hybrid vehicles they any other auto manufacture. Chevy
>> Tahoe,
>> GMC Yukon, Chevy Malibu, Chevy Silverado, GMC Sierra, Saturn Aura, Saturn
>> Vue, and the Caddy Escalade.
>>
>
>
> A hybrid Escalade. Great. A stupid vehicle that still gets lousy mileage,
> owned for the most part by people who should not be driving anything that
> large. Ha.
>
>
>

It was just a matter of time before Uncle Jemima came along and pulled one
of the 10 stupidest answers outta his ass.


"Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@lycos/com> wrote in message
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> What our friend Joe really means is he can't afford a vehicle like that.
>
> "JoeSpareBedroom" <dishborealis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:qgh0l.7601$uS1.2944@newsfe19.iad...
>> "80 Knight" <nospam> wrote in message
>> news:wcmdnW8Ej7amAtzUnZ2dnUVZ_hednZ2d@giganews.com ...
>>> "Jeff Findley" <jeff.findley@ugs.nojunk.com> wrote in message
>>> news:473df$49410894$927a2cda$30709@FUSE.NET...
>>>>
>>>> "Nate Nagel" <njnagel@roosters.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:ghpmqu0mhk@news6.newsguy.com...
>>>>> I heard on the radio today that Wagoner himself had apologized before
>>>>> Congress for not investing more in electric/hybrid technologies. That
>>>>> pisses me off... as much as I've been disappointed in GM they have
>>>>> done
>>>>> more than any other company (possible exceptions Honda and Toyota, but
>>>>> I'd still give the edge to GM) to try to make electric cars practical.
>>>>
>>>> Besides a few of their large SUV's, what cars do GM sell that are
>>>> hybrids?
>>>
>>> GM has more Hybrid vehicles they any other auto manufacture. Chevy
>>> Tahoe,
>>> GMC Yukon, Chevy Malibu, Chevy Silverado, GMC Sierra, Saturn Aura,
>>> Saturn
>>> Vue, and the Caddy Escalade.
>>>
>>
>>
>> A hybrid Escalade. Great. A stupid vehicle that still gets lousy mileage,
>> owned for the most part by people who should not be driving anything that
>> large. Ha.
>>
>>
>>
>
>

See I told you so LOL

"JoeSpareBedroom" <dishborealis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> It was just a matter of time before Uncle Jemima came along and pulled one
> of the 10 stupidest answers outta his ass.
>
>
> "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@lycos/com> wrote in message
> news:8qidnXiZecdwOtzUnZ2dnUVZ_rXinZ2d@ptd.net...
>> What our friend Joe really means is he can't afford a vehicle like that.
>>
>> "JoeSpareBedroom" <dishborealis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:qgh0l.7601$uS1.2944@newsfe19.iad...
>>> "80 Knight" <nospam> wrote in message
>>> news:wcmdnW8Ej7amAtzUnZ2dnUVZ_hednZ2d@giganews.com ...
>>>> "Jeff Findley" <jeff.findley@ugs.nojunk.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:473df$49410894$927a2cda$30709@FUSE.NET...
>>>>>
>>>>> "Nate Nagel" <njnagel@roosters.net> wrote in message
>>>>> news:ghpmqu0mhk@news6.newsguy.com...
>>>>>> I heard on the radio today that Wagoner himself had apologized before
>>>>>> Congress for not investing more in electric/hybrid technologies.
>>>>>> That
>>>>>> pisses me off... as much as I've been disappointed in GM they have
>>>>>> done
>>>>>> more than any other company (possible exceptions Honda and Toyota,
>>>>>> but
>>>>>> I'd still give the edge to GM) to try to make electric cars
>>>>>> practical.
>>>>>
>>>>> Besides a few of their large SUV's, what cars do GM sell that are
>>>>> hybrids?
>>>>
>>>> GM has more Hybrid vehicles they any other auto manufacture. Chevy
>>>> Tahoe,
>>>> GMC Yukon, Chevy Malibu, Chevy Silverado, GMC Sierra, Saturn Aura,
>>>> Saturn
>>>> Vue, and the Caddy Escalade.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> A hybrid Escalade. Great. A stupid vehicle that still gets lousy
>>> mileage,
>>> owned for the most part by people who should not be driving anything
>>> that
>>> large. Ha.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

"80 Knight" <nospam> wrote in message
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> "Jeff Findley" <jeff.findley@ugs.nojunk.com> wrote in message
> news:473df$49410894$927a2cda$30709@FUSE.NET...
>>
>> "Nate Nagel" <njnagel@roosters.net> wrote in message
>> news:ghpmqu0mhk@news6.newsguy.com...
>>> I heard on the radio today that Wagoner himself had apologized before
>>> Congress for not investing more in electric/hybrid technologies. That
>>> pisses me off... as much as I've been disappointed in GM they have done
>>> more than any other company (possible exceptions Honda and Toyota, but
>>> I'd still give the edge to GM) to try to make electric cars practical.
>>
>> Besides a few of their large SUV's, what cars do GM sell that are
>> hybrids?
>
> GM has more Hybrid vehicles they any other auto manufacture. Chevy Tahoe,
> GMC Yukon, Chevy Malibu, Chevy Silverado, GMC Sierra, Saturn Aura, Saturn
> Vue, and the Caddy Escalade.

GM hybrids: 2 cars and 6 trucks/SUV's for a total of 8 vehicles...

Toyota hybrids cars: Toyota Prius, Camry, Crown, and Lexus GS and LS for 5
cars
Toyota hybrid trucks/SUV/van: Toyota Highlander, Estima, Toyoace, Dyna,
Harrier, and Lexus RX for 6 trucks/SUV/Van.

Toyota hybrids: 5 cars plus 6 trucks/SUV/Vans = 11 vehicles

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(correct punctuation to reply)

Please tell us what if the color of the sky in YOUR world? LOL


"me" <noemail@nothere.com> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 15:07:15 -0500, "Mike Hunter"
> <mikehunt2@lycos/com> wrote:
>
>>The only time Americans bought small cars was when the were forced to by
>>them by the government when Carter cause the gas supply problems.
>
> Nonsense. Americans started buying smaller, better handling, more fun
> to drive, better mileage cars in the late 1960s because they wanted
> them. There was no gas crunch at the time. The only thing American
> cars had going for them was v8 power in a straight line.
>
>> Once
>>Reagan did the right thing and let the market decide, they return to
>>buying
>>the larger saver cars they want to buy.
>
> No, they didn't. Maybe a few swing votes bought smaller cars
> specifically for mileage reasons and then swung back. Most didn't.
>
>>Where the hell does the government, in a free society, get the right to
>>tell
>>manufactures what they must produce and to tell the buyer what they must
>>buy, in any event?
>
> Who is telling anyone what to produce or buy? The only exception I see
> is if Gm and Chrysler want to borrow money - then the lender can
> dictate any terms s/he wants to insure his investment.

"80 Knight" <nospam> wrote in message
> From what I see, GM is in very desperate need of the cash, and will say
> anything to get it. There survival (and possibly the survival of the
> other Big3) depends on it. What a shame that a good auto manufacture has
> to beg, and lie (lies that will actually hurt them) to get $35 million,
> when the big banks were handed $700 billion on a gold platter.


GM wanted billions from the government, not a lousy $35 million.

So why don't they put their money where their mouth is....... shake up the
industry with a 6 year bumper to bumper warranty on all their cars,
retroactive to 5 year old cars.



"me" <noemail@nothere.com> wrote in message
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> For all you GM defenders who refuse to admit that GM screwed
> themselves by refusing to recognize vehicle trends and build less
> SUV's and trucks and invest in other production; by building low
> quality cars; by building cars no one wants; and by generally
> mismanaging the company - here is it from the horse's mouth (or more
> accurately, horse's ass in the case of GM):
>
> http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20081208/us_nm/us_gm_ad
>
> "... we acknowledge we have disappointed you," the ad said. "At times
> we violated your trust by letting our quality fall below industry
> standards and our designs became lackluster."
>
> The unsigned open letter, entitled "GM's Commitment to the American
> People" ran in the trade journal Automotive News, which is widely read
> by industry executives, lobbyists and other insiders.
>
> In the ad, GM admits to other strategic missteps analysts and critics
> have said hastened its recent decline.
>
> "We have proliferated our brands and dealer network to the point where
> we lost adequate focus on the core U.S. market," the ad said. "We also
> biased our product mix toward pick-up trucks and SUVs."
>
>