Honda Car Forum

On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 19:27:35 -0500, "Mike Hunter"
<mikehunt2@lycos/com> wrote:

>As I said I could not care less what someone in a NG chooses to believe but
>if you actually READ your new car Limited Warranty you will see it said;
>Your (manufacturer) and (Brand) dealer(s) warrants etc. If the warranty
>was between the buyer and the manufacturer it would be a contract,

A warranty is not a contract. A contract is a legal agreement
negotiated at arm's length by two or more parties. You don't negotiate
warranties nor are the arm's length agreements. While there are both
implied warranties with a vehicle purchase as well as written
warranties, you don't (generally) negotiate either. It is included
with the sale as part of the value of the item being purchased.

Warranties are still legally binding on the seller to the BUYER in
very specific ways under both Federal and State laws.

>just like
>the agreements between the buyer and his finance source, it is a contract
>with the dealers

Finance agreements are contracts. They are completely different.

You don't have a clue about legal matters so it really would be best
if you stopped trying to display expertise about them. I'd recommend
that you be sure to consult an attorney before doing anything mildly
related to civil law.

I'll say it again, I could not care less what someone in a NG chooses to
believe. I KNOW warranties are to the dealer(s,) not the owner.

I worked as a field Engineer at the Pa VW plant, as such was involved in
settling disputed warranty claims. In addition I processed thousand of
warranty claims, with mutable manufactures, doing the ten years I owned my
fleet service business. You and others are free to believe whatever you
wish, I'm done wasting my time on this



"me" <noemail@nothere.com> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 19:27:35 -0500, "Mike Hunter"
> <mikehunt2@lycos/com> wrote:
>
>>As I said I could not care less what someone in a NG chooses to believe
>>but
>>if you actually READ your new car Limited Warranty you will see it said;
>>Your (manufacturer) and (Brand) dealer(s) warrants etc. If the warranty
>>was between the buyer and the manufacturer it would be a contract,
>
> A warranty is not a contract. A contract is a legal agreement
> negotiated at arm's length by two or more parties. You don't negotiate
> warranties nor are the arm's length agreements. While there are both
> implied warranties with a vehicle purchase as well as written
> warranties, you don't (generally) negotiate either. It is included
> with the sale as part of the value of the item being purchased.
>
> Warranties are still legally binding on the seller to the BUYER in
> very specific ways under both Federal and State laws.
>
>>just like
>>the agreements between the buyer and his finance source, it is a contract
>>with the dealers
>
> Finance agreements are contracts. They are completely different.
>
> You don't have a clue about legal matters so it really would be best
> if you stopped trying to display expertise about them. I'd recommend
> that you be sure to consult an attorney before doing anything mildly
> related to civil law.

On Tue, 13 Jan 2009 15:50:31 -0500, "Mike Hunter"
<mikehunt2@lycos/com> wrote:

>I'll say it again, I could not care less what someone in a NG chooses to
>believe. I KNOW warranties are to the dealer(s,) not the owner.
>
>I worked as a field Engineer at the Pa VW plant, as such was involved in
>settling disputed warranty claims. In addition I processed thousand of
>warranty claims, with mutable manufactures, doing the ten years I owned my
>fleet service business. You and others are free to believe whatever you
>wish, I'm done wasting my time on this

Actually, you're wrong, you are not done: you'll be wasting your time
with this concept in your head for many years. And if you believe your
own nonsense on this topic, there's likely a lot of other foolish
ideas running around in there too.

Thus spake "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@lycos/com> :

>As I said I could not care less what someone in a NG chooses to believe but
>if you actually READ your new car Limited Warranty you will see it said;
>Your (manufacturer) and (Brand) dealer(s) warrants etc. If the warranty
>was between the buyer and the manufacturer it would be a contract, just like
>the agreements between the buyer and his finance source, it is a contract
>with the dealers
>
>Call your attorney and ask him if ONE party of a contract can change ANY
>part of a contract. If you actually READ your new car Limited Warranty,
>under "Limitations and Disclaimers" you will see it said "With the exception
>of implied warranty under federal and state laws (manufacturer) and (Brand)
>dealer(s) reserves the right to make changes and or additions to vehicles
>built and sold by them at any time etc.

Read this:

http://www.autosafety.org/the-magnus...93-an-overview

Note, the warranty protects THE CONSUMER and is between THE CONSUMER
and the warrantor.

And "the consumer" is expressly listed as anyone who purchases the
product for other than resale.

Read the ****ing law. For that matter, read the ****ing contract. Or
at least the warranty disclosure. Little things like "you have
certain rights under Federal and State laws." Not the dealer, YOU!!!

>
>You have a contract with your insurance company to repairer you damaged car.
>If the insurance company wants to use less than new parts to repair it, you
>can demand NEW parts on YOUR new car but a car warranty says otherwise.
>The reason being the warranty is NOT a contract with you, it is with the
>dealer(s.)
>
>
> "Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote in message
>news:elmop-D616D2.16374112012009@mara100-84.onlink.net...
>> In article <meCdnUGK5pyrNfbUnZ2dnUVZ_gGdnZ2d@ptd.net>,
>> "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@lycos/com> wrote:
>>
>>> Stop acting like a jerk (I am giving you the benefit of the doubt when I
>>> say
>>> you are only *acting* like a jerk) and giving people information that YOU
>>> BELIEVE to be true.
>>
>> You mean, just like you're giving people information that YOU BELIEVE to
>> be true?
>>
>> Just because YOU believe it, doesn't mean anything. The rest of us can
>> read and have had experience in these matters, and know that what you
>> BELIEVE is factually WRONG.
>>
>> You may BELIEVE that the Holocaust didn't exist, but you would be
>> factually WRONG.
>
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