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To which I ask, if the purchaser was warranted, don't you think that it
would be stated in the warranty manual?

You are free to believe whatever you wish, but the manufacture warrants the
vehicle to it dealer(s,) not the owners as I have tried to explain numerous
times.
LOL

"Dillon Pyron" <invaliddmpyron@austin.rr.com> wrote in message
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> Thus spake Jeff <jeff.utz@gmail.com> :
>
>>On Jan 11, 4:44 pm, "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@lycos/com> wrote:
>>> I never said that, did you miss the "Normally" that someone quoted from
>>> the
>>> warranty manual?
>>>
>>> The manufacture warrants the vehicle to it dealer(s.)
>>
>>Then why does the warranties talk about transferring the warranty to
>>new owners of the car or truck? Why would there be any need to
>>transfer the warranty? And, if you were correct, wouldn't the wording
>>of the warranties reflect that the warranty is to the dealers?
>>
>>And why does the Chrysler warranty have this language? "You are
>>covered by the Basic Limited Warranty if
>>you are a purchaser for use of the vehicle."
>>
>>And where does it say that the dealer is warranted here?
>>
>>"In the United States (We Include U.S.
>>Possessions and Territories as Part of
>>the United States for Warranty Purposes):
>>Warranty service must be done by an authorized
>>Chrysler, Dodge or Jeep dealer. We strongly
>>recommend that you take your vehicle to your
>>Selling Dealer. They know you and your vehicle
>>best, and are most concerned that you get
>>prompt and high quality service. If you move
>>within the United States, warranty service may
>>be requested from any authorized Chrysler,
>>Dodge or Jeep dealer."
>>
>>And GM says that if you buy a GM car, *you* get a 100,000 mi
>>powertrain warranty. Not your dealer.
>>
>>Get a clue, if you can old man.
>
> Head, meet wall. Wall, this is head.
>
>>
>>Jeff
>>
>>> In a situation where
>>> ones selling dealer has closed down or one has moved a great distance,
>>> (most
>>> warranty agreements mention 50 miles) the manufacture will have it towed
>>> to
>>> their nearest dealership, same as if one is traveling.
>>>
>>> That dealer, unlike your dealer, will most likely not do the work before
>>> receiving prior authorization to do so, till he knows he will be
>>> reimbursed.
>>>
>>> "Elmo P. Shagnasty" <el...@nastydesigns.com> wrote in
>>> messagenews:elmop-A6A2D3.13052110012009@mara100-84.onlink.net...
>>>
>>> > In article <x5qdnfkWd43HS_XUnZ2dnUVZ_snin...@ptd.net>,
>>> > "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@lycos/com> wrote:
>>>
>>> >> When the reference was made to calling the manufacturer about a
>>> >> warranty
>>> >> PROBLEM, what I said was, if you do they will tell you to contact
>>> >> your
>>> >> SELLING dealer because DISPUTED warranty claims MUST go to the
>>> >> selling
>>> >> dealer and that is a fact, whether you choose to believe it or not.
>>>
>>> > So let me get this straight: you're saying that if I buy a car in
>>> > Maine
>>> > and three months later move to California, and three months after that
>>> > have a warranty problem that the servicing dealer in California
>>> > disputes, and I want to run it up the chain to the manufacturer's
>>> > representative...
>>>
>>> > ....that I have to trek the car back to my SELLING dealer back in
>>> > MAINE?
> --
> - dillon I am not invalid
>
> When you wish upon a falling star, your dreams come true.
> Unless it's really a meteorite hurtling to the Earth which
> will destroy all life. Then you're pretty much hosed no
> matter what you wish for. Unless it's death by meteor.
>
>

Stop acting like a jerk (I am giving you the benefit of the doubt when I say
you are only *acting* like a jerk) and giving people information that YOU
BELIEVE to be true.

The auto warranty IS between the car makers and their DEALER(S!) If I am
incorrect, please provide real evidence.


"Jeff" <jeff.utz@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:5b486cf1-42ba-4ee1-b651-2d034e5c0705@v42g2000yqv.googlegroups.com...
On Jan 11, 4:44 pm, "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@lycos/com> wrote:
> I never said that, did you miss the "Normally" that someone quoted from
> the
> warranty manual?
>
> The manufacture warrants the vehicle to it dealer(s.) In a situation where
> ones selling dealer has closed down or one has moved a great distance,
> (most
> warranty agreements mention 50 miles) the manufacture will have it towed
> to
> their nearest dealership, same as if one is traveling.
>
> That dealer, unlike your dealer, will most likely not do the work before
> receiving prior authorization to do so, till he knows he will be
> reimbursed.
>
> "Elmo P. Shagnasty" <el...@nastydesigns.com> wrote in
> messagenews:elmop-A6A2D3.13052110012009@mara100-84.onlink.net...
>
> > In article <x5qdnfkWd43HS_XUnZ2dnUVZ_snin...@ptd.net>,
> > "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@lycos/com> wrote:
>
> >> When the reference was made to calling the manufacturer about a
> >> warranty
> >> PROBLEM, what I said was, if you do they will tell you to contact your
> >> SELLING dealer because DISPUTED warranty claims MUST go to the selling
> >> dealer and that is a fact, whether you choose to believe it or not.
>
> > So let me get this straight: you're saying that if I buy a car in Maine
> > and three months later move to California, and three months after that
> > have a warranty problem that the servicing dealer in California
> > disputes, and I want to run it up the chain to the manufacturer's
> > representative...
>
> > ....that I have to trek the car back to my SELLING dealer back in MAINE?

If the warranty is to the dealer, the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act
requires this fact to be stated in the warranty documents. It isn't.

Stop acting like a jerk (I am giving you the benefit of the doubt when
I sat that you are only *acting* like a jerk) and giving people
information that you make that is completely false.

The auto warranties are between the car makers and the buyers. If I am
incorrect, please provide real evidence.

Jeff

And where does it say that the OWNER is warranted here?

"In the United States (We Include U.S.
Possessions and Territories as Part of
the United States for Warranty Purposes):
Warranty service MUST be done by an AUTHORIZED
CHRYSLER, DODGE or JEEP DEALER. We strongly
RECOMMEND that you take your vehicle to your
SELLING DEALER. They know you and your vehicle
best, and are most concerned that you get
prompt and high quality service. If you MOVE
within the United States, warranty service may
be requested from any authorized Chrysler,
Dodge or Jeep dealer."


"Jeff" <jeff.utz@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:f5196638-5084-426b-85f5-4fdb0ee8e51e@33g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
On Jan 11, 4:44 pm, "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@lycos/com> wrote:
> I never said that, did you miss the "Normally" that someone quoted from
> the
> warranty manual?
>
> The manufacture warrants the vehicle to it dealer(s.)

Then why does the warranties talk about transferring the warranty to
new owners of the car or truck? Why would there be any need to
transfer the warranty? And, if you were correct, wouldn't the wording
of the warranties reflect that the warranty is to the dealers?

And why does the Chrysler warranty have this language? "You are
covered by the Basic Limited Warranty if
you are a purchaser for use of the vehicle."

And where does it say that the dealer is warranted here?

"In the United States (We Include U.S.
Possessions and Territories as Part of
the United States for Warranty Purposes):
Warranty service must be done by an authorized
Chrysler, Dodge or Jeep dealer. We strongly
recommend that you take your vehicle to your
Selling Dealer. They know you and your vehicle
best, and are most concerned that you get
prompt and high quality service. If you move
within the United States, warranty service may
be requested from any authorized Chrysler,
Dodge or Jeep dealer."

If the selling dealer is warranted, don't you think that that would be
stated in the warranty manual?

And GM says that if you buy a GM car, *you* get a 100,000 mi
powertrain warranty. Not your dealer.

Get a clue, if you can old man.

Jeff

> In a situation where
> ones selling dealer has closed down or one has moved a great distance,
> (most
> warranty agreements mention 50 miles) the manufacture will have it towed
> to
> their nearest dealership, same as if one is traveling.
>
> That dealer, unlike your dealer, will most likely not do the work before
> receiving prior authorization to do so, till he knows he will be
> reimbursed.
>
> "Elmo P. Shagnasty" <el...@nastydesigns.com> wrote in
> messagenews:elmop-A6A2D3.13052110012009@mara100-84.onlink.net...
>
> > In article <x5qdnfkWd43HS_XUnZ2dnUVZ_snin...@ptd.net>,
> > "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@lycos/com> wrote:
>
> >> When the reference was made to calling the manufacturer about a
> >> warranty
> >> PROBLEM, what I said was, if you do they will tell you to contact your
> >> SELLING dealer because DISPUTED warranty claims MUST go to the selling
> >> dealer and that is a fact, whether you choose to believe it or not.
>
> > So let me get this straight: you're saying that if I buy a car in Maine
> > and three months later move to California, and three months after that
> > have a warranty problem that the servicing dealer in California
> > disputes, and I want to run it up the chain to the manufacturer's
> > representative...
>
> > ....that I have to trek the car back to my SELLING dealer back in MAINE?

"Dillon Pyron" <invaliddmpyron@austin.rr.com> wrote in message
news:jv4nm41kkkoc5o8ll9eb36go3j8aijrubu@4ax.com...
> Thus spake "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@lycos/com> :
>
>>So what's your point? Did you think you could take it to a Toyota dealer
>>
>
> Jesus ****ing Christ!!! Did you not see the part where it says I can
> take it to ANY dealer and not the one I bought it from??
>
> And please don't top post. Top posting is for idiots that don't know
> how to actually work in Usenet.
>

Or self-righteous arseholes like Mike Hunter who think that because he has
the gold, he can make the rules.

Sir Charles the Curmudgeon

"Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@lycos/com> wrote in message
news:8oqdnazkiZ21OvbUnZ2dnUVZ_gOdnZ2d@ptd.net...
> To which I ask, if the purchaser was warranted, don't you think that
> it would be stated in the warranty manual?
>
> You are free to believe whatever you wish, but the manufacture
> warrants the vehicle to it dealer(s,) not the owners as I have tried
> to explain numerous times.
> LOL

What you are saying makes no sense Mike. The warranty is to the
vehicle purchaser. The dealer acts as the agent for the manufacturer.
I can take my broken Ford, that is under warranty, to any Ford dealer
for repairs. They will do the work that Ford allows and then get
reimbursed by Ford. The warranty is granted by the manufacturer to the
purchaser of the vehicle and is transferable to subsequent purchasers.

Ed

In article <i5GdnWoZFKjONPbUnZ2dnUVZ_srinZ2d@ptd.net>,
"Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@lycos/com> wrote:

> And where does it say that the OWNER is warranted here?
>
> "In the United States (We Include U.S.
> Possessions and Territories as Part of
> the United States for Warranty Purposes):
> Warranty service MUST be done by an AUTHORIZED
> CHRYSLER, DODGE or JEEP DEALER. We strongly
> RECOMMEND that you take your vehicle to your
> SELLING DEALER. They know you and your vehicle
> best, and are most concerned that you get
> prompt and high quality service. If you MOVE
> within the United States, warranty service may
> be requested from any authorized Chrysler,
> Dodge or Jeep dealer."

Where does it say the SELLING DEALER is the other party in the warranty?

Let's see....nowhere.

However, it does say that service must be done by an authorized
dealer...and of course, Chrysler can authorize anyone they want.

Notice that it says NOTHING about "you must take it to your SELLING
DEALER." They only "recommend" that. They don't MANDATE or REQUIRE it.

Gee, My Cunter. Maybe you can't read.

It also says "warranty service may be requested from any authorized
dealer". ANY authorized dealer.

So now you have established that you were full of shit about the car
being taken to the SELLING dealer.

Now let's talk about who is protected by the warranty: what is all this
"you may take it..." stuff? WHO may take it? To WHOM is Chrysler
talking?

<gasp!> THE OWNER. The guy who bought the car. Chrysler is NOT talking
to the dealer, because the warranty is not between Chrysler and any
dealer. The warranty is between Chrysler and the OWNER.

And Chrysler makes it easy on themselves, and the owner, by not forcing
the owner to take the car back to the Chrysler factory. Chrysler
authorizes third parties to act on BEHALF of Chrysler.

Get that? On BEHALF of Chrysler. When performing warranty work, the
authorized service entity IS, for all intents and purposes, CHRYSLER.
The owner of the car remains the owner of the car, and the owner of the
car is requesting warranty service from the MANUFACTURER.

The warranty is offered from the MANUFACTURER to the owner. Period.
That the MANUFACTURER may CHOOSE to authorize others to act in its
BEHALF changes NOTHING about the fact that the warranty is BETWEEN THE
MANUFACTURER AND THE OWNER.

In article <meCdnUGK5pyrNfbUnZ2dnUVZ_gGdnZ2d@ptd.net>,
"Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@lycos/com> wrote:

> Stop acting like a jerk (I am giving you the benefit of the doubt when I say
> you are only *acting* like a jerk) and giving people information that YOU
> BELIEVE to be true.

You mean, just like you're giving people information that YOU BELIEVE to
be true?

Just because YOU believe it, doesn't mean anything. The rest of us can
read and have had experience in these matters, and know that what you
BELIEVE is factually WRONG.

You may BELIEVE that the Holocaust didn't exist, but you would be
factually WRONG.

As I said I could not care less what someone in a NG chooses to believe but
if you actually READ your new car Limited Warranty you will see it said;
Your (manufacturer) and (Brand) dealer(s) warrants etc. If the warranty
was between the buyer and the manufacturer it would be a contract, just like
the agreements between the buyer and his finance source, it is a contract
with the dealers

Call your attorney and ask him if ONE party of a contract can change ANY
part of a contract. If you actually READ your new car Limited Warranty,
under "Limitations and Disclaimers" you will see it said "With the exception
of implied warranty under federal and state laws (manufacturer) and (Brand)
dealer(s) reserves the right to make changes and or additions to vehicles
built and sold by them at any time etc.

You have a contract with your insurance company to repairer you damaged car.
If the insurance company wants to use less than new parts to repair it, you
can demand NEW parts on YOUR new car but a car warranty says otherwise.
The reason being the warranty is NOT a contract with you, it is with the
dealer(s.)


"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote in message
news:elmop-D616D2.16374112012009@mara100-84.onlink.net...
> In article <meCdnUGK5pyrNfbUnZ2dnUVZ_gGdnZ2d@ptd.net>,
> "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@lycos/com> wrote:
>
>> Stop acting like a jerk (I am giving you the benefit of the doubt when I
>> say
>> you are only *acting* like a jerk) and giving people information that YOU
>> BELIEVE to be true.
>
> You mean, just like you're giving people information that YOU BELIEVE to
> be true?
>
> Just because YOU believe it, doesn't mean anything. The rest of us can
> read and have had experience in these matters, and know that what you
> BELIEVE is factually WRONG.
>
> You may BELIEVE that the Holocaust didn't exist, but you would be
> factually WRONG.

On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 15:47:28 -0500, "C. E. White"
<cewhite3@removemindspring.com> wrote:

>
>"Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@lycos/com> wrote in message
>news:8oqdnazkiZ21OvbUnZ2dnUVZ_gOdnZ2d@ptd.net.. .
>> To which I ask, if the purchaser was warranted, don't you think that
>> it would be stated in the warranty manual?
>>
>> You are free to believe whatever you wish, but the manufacture
>> warrants the vehicle to it dealer(s,) not the owners as I have tried
>> to explain numerous times.
>> LOL
>
>What you are saying makes no sense Mike. The warranty is to the
>vehicle purchaser. The dealer acts as the agent for the manufacturer.
>I can take my broken Ford, that is under warranty, to any Ford dealer
>for repairs. They will do the work that Ford allows and then get
>reimbursed by Ford. The warranty is granted by the manufacturer to the
>purchaser of the vehicle and is transferable to subsequent purchasers.
>
>Ed

We should just let this thread die Ed. Mike either really enjoys
seeing people respond to what he says or he's so stupid that the facts
will never make an impression on him. I think it boosts his ego to
see his name in print and he will never acknowledge the facts if it
keeps the thread going.

Jack j

On Tue, 13 Jan 2009 00:28:04 GMT, Retired VIP
<jackj.extradots.180@windstream.net> wrote:

>
>We should just let this thread die Ed. Mike either really enjoys
>seeing people respond to what he says or he's so stupid that the facts
>will never make an impression on him. I think it boosts his ego to
>see his name in print and he will never acknowledge the facts if it
>keeps the thread going.
>
>Jack j

Agreed. Either he's an idiot and he's incapable of understanding or
he's intentionally acting like one for his own distorted amusement.