Honda Car Forum

On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 23:34:47 -0500, 80 Knight wrote:

> "HLS" <nospam@nospam.nix> wrote in message
> news:cHy0l.8275$as4.7019@nlpi069.nbdc.sbc.com...
>>
>> "80 Knight" <nospam> wrote in message
>>>
>>> I'm going to have to assume you are joking, as according to Toyota's
>>> website, even the '09 Avalon XLS has a much worse warranty then say,
>>> the '09 Buick Lucerne. The Avalon has the standard 36-month, 36,000
>>> miles, while the Lucerne has 48-months and 50,000 miles. Even GM's
>>> powertrain warranty beat's Toyota's, with GM's at 100,000, and
>>> Toyota's at 60,000. Hell, the Chrysler 300 does even better, with the
>>> unlimited mileage powertrain warranty.
>>
>> I am not joking at all. 7 years, 70,000 miles, bumper to bumper
>
> Is it an extended warranty? Did you have to pay extra for it? Because
> I can't find any evidence (even from Toyota's own website) that they
> offer anything more then the 36/36 on the Avalon.

He may have bought it used? My Scion was 1 year old and had 10,000 miles
on it:

Toyota Certified Used Vehicles come with an extensive used-car warranty
— one of the best in the industry.

Each Toyota Certified Used Vehicle comes with a 3-month/3,000-mile
comprehensive used car warranty from date of certified purchase [1]. This
warranty covers any repair or replacement of components which fail under
normal use due to a defect in materials or workmanship.

Each Toyota Certified Used Vehicle is also backed by a 7-year/100,000-mile
Limited Powertrain Warranty (from original date of first use when
purchased as new) [2]. We also add a 7-year/100,000 mile 24-hour Roadside
Assistance Plan (from original date of first use when purchased as new)



So, basically, I got a 6 year/90,000 mile warranty. For nothing.

But, since it's a Toyota, it doesn't go into the shop very often.
Nowhere near as much time as a GM product spends. Shoot, i get to drive
it, rather than wait for it to be repaired.

On Sat, 13 Dec 2008 08:12:27 -0500, 80 Knight wrote:

> "larry moe 'n curly" <larrymoencurly@my-deja.com> wrote in message
> news:767a6cd4-fab2-4618-b6eb-3a91e71aa858@v5g2000prm.googlegroups.com...
>>> >> > There is a reason that many people are getting fed up with seeing
>>> >> > gas
>>> >> > guzzling full size SUV's on the road.
>>> >>
>>> >> Yeah, it's called jealousy.
>>> >
>>> > Why would anybody be jealous of impotence?
>>>
>>> Why do you anti-suv guys turn every suv discussion into something sexual?
>>
>> Don't be like a wimp. SUVs are fine for people who can benefit from
>> them, but it's silly for a sole person to drive one in a clear weather
>> metro area and take up too much space in the parking lot.
>
> You are the one who is being a wimp. You keep your tiny little Toyota.
> Other people drive real vehicles, and we don't give a shit if you don't like
> it.

Part of the reason gas went so high was people driving more vehicle than
they really need. Some people need one, some people blindly follow trends.

How many people living in urban areas do you think 'lock in the hubs'?

On Sat, 13 Dec 2008 06:04:18 -0800, larry moe 'n curly wrote:

>
>
> Hachiroku ãƒ�ãƒ�ãƒ*ク wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 20:32:25 -0600, Hairy wrote:
>>
>> > Why do you anti-suv guys turn every suv discussion into something sexual?
>> > I get it! You see suv's as reminders of your sexual inadequacy.
>> > No wonder you don't like suv's.
>>
>> I want to get a license plate for my Supra (Targa) that says SML PNS.
>>
>> Of course, I would GLADLY prove to anyone of the female persuasion that it
>> is certainly NOT the case! ;P
>
> That's not how you're supposed to use your camera phone.

Ugh. What a horrible thought.

>
> I once saw a "NON TURBO" chrome emblem on a Dodge Colt.

This I like!

On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 22:43:46 -0600, Hairy wrote:

>
> "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno@e86.GTS> wrote in message
> newsan.2008.12.13.04.04.40.74410@e86.GTS...
>> On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 21:22:39 -0600, Hairy wrote:
>>
>>>> Two parents and a kid can get around just fine in a mid-size sedan
>>>> instead
>>>> of an Escalade, unless they are traitors and think it's OK that we
>>>> continue to finance the murderers of 3000 Americans in Manhattan.
>>>
>>> I'm sure you'd prefer to continue to finance the murderers of more than
>>> 2400
>>> Americans at Pearl Harbor.
>>
>> Why don't you go around your house and see how many items say "Made In
>> Japan". Start with your TV.
>
> The two newest ones were made in China, unfortunately. I'm too lazy to go
> check the rest.
> Yes, I know that Japan is an ally. But, I still think the analogy is a fair
> one.

Yeah. But they paid for it in the end. In spades.
Not that I don't think the US should have dropped the bomb. It put an end
to what could have been the slaughter of millions more.

They paid their debt. Time to move on.

Now, if you want to get into a discussion about *CHINA* I would gladly
oblige!

On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 23:30:26 -0500, 80 Knight wrote:

>>> I'm sure you'd prefer to continue to finance the murderers of more than
>>> 2400 Americans at Pearl Harbor.
>>
>> Yeah. That's the same thing. <--sarcasm
>
> Why not? Because it was longer ago then 9/11? The Japanese Government
> can't be trusted, they have proved that time and again.

LOL! Since when?! Since American Servicemen rape 12 year olds? Since Nancy
Pelosi tells the Japanese they have to apologize to Korea?

Yeah, the Japanese take deference when we do something *STOOPID* !

On Sat, 13 Dec 2008 11:58:26 -0800, SoCalMike wrote:

> 80 Knight wrote:
>> Why not? Because it was longer ago then 9/11? The Japanese Government
>> can't be trusted, they have proved that time and again. You keep sending
>> your $$$ to Japan, while sending our own industries into the toilet. If
>> WWIII breaks out, Japan will supply us with the weapons, and equipment we
>> need, right? <--sarcasm
>
> our biggest deficit has been with china for a long time now. yes- we
> cohort with commies when they can supply us with cheap crap. but thats
> ok, as long as you can get a stainless steel grill with a harley logo on
> it at walmart for $199.98

Yup.

I was delievering newspapers at night last year, and the BBC was my
constant companion. Before the Olympics they sent a team to China and one
of the reports was about China's 'Gold Mine', the province that does most
of the high tech manufacturing.

They reported that China had a $1.3T budget surplus, and the biggest
spedning of that surplus was for 'Defense'.

They also has a laundry list of what China wants to accomplish in the year
2020.

I'd be afraid...

And an aside by me: China makes about 3/4 of the world's computers. One or
two lines of code in the BIOS could bring every computer to it's knees at
any time, say, Jan 1, 2020...

On Sat, 13 Dec 2008 00:20:15 -0500, JoeSpareBedroom wrote:

>>> Irrelevant to this discussion, you silly child.
>>
>> You are irrelevant to this discussion.
>>
>
>
> Several of your non-reading clones have said the same thing in the past. Why
> don't you read? How did your parents **** you up so badly that you disdain
> reading?

Looks like you've made another friend, Joe.

On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 22:11:28 -0600, Hairy wrote:

>>>> Two parents and a kid can get around just fine in a mid-size sedan
>>>> instead of an Escalade, unless they are traitors and think it's OK that
>>>> we continue to finance the murderers of 3000 Americans in Manhattan.
>>>
>>> I'm sure you'd prefer to continue to finance the murderers of more than
>>> 2400 Americans at Pearl Harbor.
>>
>> Yeah. That's the same thing. <--sarcasm
>
> What's different other than the timeline? Biggest difference I can see is
> that we "knew" to expect "something" from Al Qaeda. We didn't know that your
> friends and beneficiaries were going to attack us.

You should read a couple books about Pearl Harbor.

One Admiral or General even predicted the attack would happen Nov 30,
1941, one week before the attack.

The CIA was created as a result of Pearl Harbor. The Army had certain
information, and the Navy had other information, and the Department of War
had still other information. The lack of a 'clearing house' for all the
intelligence gathered prior to the attack meant that it went ignored. The
CIA was designed to share the information from ALL sources so there
wouldn't be a repeat of Dec 7.

Unfortunately, it has become something other than it's design

But that was all 70 years ago, and 16 years before I was born.
Was it a terrible day for the US? You betcha. Does it have a great deal of
bearing on today? No, not really. Even my Mom who was 19 at the time got
fed up with American cars that were always falling apart on her and bought
a 1986 Camry, and has never looked back.

On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 23:21:12 -0500, JoeSpareBedroom wrote:

> "Hairy" <hairy@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>> "JoeSpareBedroom" <dishborealis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:2WF0l.26374$v37.6961@newsfe01.iad...
>>> "Hairy" <hairy@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>>>>
>>>> "JoeSpareBedroom" <dishborealis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:xfF0l.26370$v37.12252@newsfe01.iad...
>>>>> "Hairy" <hairy@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:6qgl62FcbbksU1@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "larry moe 'n curly" <larrymoencurly@my-deja.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:a85797f5-dbad-4228-80bb-bd26ddb65921@r36g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hairy wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Jeff Findley" <jeff.findley@ugs.nojunk.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:e5a7a$4942830f$927a2cda$5977@FUSE.NET...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> > There is a reason that many people are getting fed up with seeing
>>>>>>>> > gas
>>>>>>>> > guzzling full size SUV's on the road.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yeah, it's called jealousy.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Why would anybody be jealous of impotence?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why do you anti-suv guys turn every suv discussion into something
>>>>>> sexual?
>>>>>> I get it! You see suv's as reminders of your sexual inadequacy.
>>>>>> No wonder you don't like suv's.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> We're not anti-SUV guys. Rather, we would prefer to send as little
>>>>> money as possible to the country whichsend lessAmericans in Manhattan a
>>>>> few years back.
>>>>
>>>> And what country would that be?
>>>
>>> Were you too young to understand the news just after 9/11? Saudi Arabia,
>>> of course. One of our worst enemies.
>>>
>>>
>>>> You may have heard about it. This country is not
>>>>> yet to the point where we can send nothing to the perpetrators,
>>>>
>>>> That would be an understatement.
>>>> If all the suv's suddenly were capable matching the mileage of the
>>>> average sedan, the difference in the amount of imported oil would be
>>>> negligible, if noticeable at all. (my opinion)
>>>>
>>>>> >
>>>>> Two parents and a kid can get around just fine in a mid-size sedan
>>>>> instead of an Escalade, unless they are traitors and think it's OK that
>>>>> we continue to finance the murderers of 3000 Americans in Manhattan.
>>>>
>>>> I'm sure you'd prefer to continue to finance the murderers of more than
>>>> 2400 Americans at Pearl Harbor.
>>>
>>> Yeah. That's the same thing. <--sarcasm
>>
>> What's different other than the timeline? Biggest difference I can see is
>> that we "knew" to expect "something" from Al Qaeda. We didn't know that
>> your friends and beneficiaries were going to attack us.
>> The only other difference I can see is that instead of declaring war on
>> our attackers, we bombed the hell out of an easier target that didn't turn
>> out to be so easy, after all. Thanks to that fiasco, you can add another
>> 4200+ to your tally and Al qaeda hardly had to lift a finger.
>>
>> BTW, I'd like to see your evidence that proves that Saudi Arabia "
>> arranged for the death of 3000 Americans". I know that there was talk that
>> there *may have been* "factions" within SA that supported the attack, but
>> as far as I know, no credible entity ever accused SA of being behind it.
>>
>
> Yes, I'm sure you'd like to see the evidence. But, I'm afraid it might
> interrupt your television time.

Hmmm...seems I've heard this before...

Ed Pawlowski turned on the Etch-A-Sketch and wrote:

>
> "PerfectReign" <theperfectreign@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> Now, if you want to talk waste, let's discuss motorcycles. Those guys
>> take up valuable space all the time.
>>
>> Let's not even get into how they are constantly going between lanes while
>> on
>> the freeway. When I honk at them, they seem to think I've done something
>> wrong.
>
> Ever been to Italy? You'd have a constant blast from the horn with those
> guys on small cycles and scooters. Don't trust that double yellow line
> down the middle of the road either. It means danger, pass quickly"

Yes, I spent a few weeks in Firenze, Pieve Ligure and touring the South back
in '90.

I remember the rules were - trash on the sidewalks, pedestrians and Vespa
scooters on teh sides of the streets, cars in the middle or dodging around
pedestrians.

Green means go*, red means "honk as you go through", yellow means "go really
fast."

*Green can also mean, "Yield" in the event someone is honking and going
through the opposite red.

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