Honda Car Forum

<buydomestic@usa.com> wrote in message
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> If all Americans bought American cars, the US economy would be rockin
> and rollin right now. Don't give me that stuff about Toyota and Honda
> manufacturing over here either. GM employs 130,000 in the United
> States. Toyota employs 30,000, Honda less than that. Most of the
> import jobs are just blue collar jobs also, where GM has over 50,000
> engineers. The Japanese automakers have brainwashed us into thinking
> that buying their car is an investment in this country. I say we buy
> from the Big Three and take our economy back.

Stupid ****er. If the US companies made a car like what I wanted instead of
tossing us their second class shit in small cars, I might buy one. I've
been buying Toyotas since 1974. I tried buying an American vehicle in the
1990's, it started nickle and dimeing me on maintenance almost immediately.
The maintenance was worse than the last previous US vehicle I had to deal
with (a 1962 Corvair)

Probably a redneck like the guy that used to get mad at me for driving a
used Toyota (my first car) back in the 70's and not buying American.

I fart in your general direction.

Sir Charles the Curmudgeon

"Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@lycos/com> wrote in message
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> Go to an old car show and try to find any old Jap cars
>

A majority of 70's and 80's cars are junk. I've yet to see anything outside
of a Vette from that era. Maybe a couple Monte Crapos and some
well-preserved Firebirds. The Toyotas were driven until the wheels fell
off. The US cars, the wheels fell off first.

If it wasn't for blacks and Southerners, there wouldn't be a Ford Motor
Company left in the US.

Sir Charles the Curmudgeon.

>
> "Marko" <trakp@army.mil> wrote in message
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>>
>> "Nate Nagel" <njnagel@roosters.net> wrote in message
>> news:ghh419026r2@news3.newsguy.com...
>>> buydomestic@usa.com wrote:
>>>> If all Americans bought American cars, the US economy would be rockin
>>>> and rollin right now. Don't give me that stuff about Toyota and Honda
>>>> manufacturing over here either. GM employs 130,000 in the United
>>>> States. Toyota employs 30,000, Honda less than that. Most of the
>>>> import jobs are just blue collar jobs also, where GM has over 50,000
>>>> engineers. The Japanese automakers have brainwashed us into thinking
>>>> that buying their car is an investment in this country. I say we buy
>>>> from the Big Three and take our economy back.
>>>
>>> How about the big three start making an appealing product that I can
>>> afford, then I'll consider it.
>>>
>>> By appealing, I mean something more reliable, durable, and in the same
>>> ballpark of fun to drive as my 20 year old 944 for less than $20K. Can't
>>> do it? I won't buy. (when was the last time you saw a 20 year old Big
>>> Three product on the road?)
>>>
>>> nate
>>>
>>> --
>>> replace "roosters" with "cox" to reply.
>>> http://members.cox.net/njnagel
>>
>> I was thinking about the age of cars the other day and decided to count
>> them and on average I did find that most of the older cars did in fact
>> seem to be American made. Just go to a store parking lot and average them
>> out.
>
>

<buydomestic@usa.com> wrote in message
news:880a57a2-9f6e-4fd7-b631-0543baf7e436@j32g2000yqn.googlegroups.com...
> If all Americans bought American cars, the US economy would be rockin
> and rollin right now. Don't give me that stuff about Toyota and Honda
> manufacturing over here either. GM employs 130,000 in the United
> States. Toyota employs 30,000, Honda less than that. Most of the
> import jobs are just blue collar jobs also, where GM has over 50,000
> engineers. The Japanese automakers have brainwashed us into thinking
> that buying their car is an investment in this country. I say we buy
> from the Big Three and take our economy back.

When the Detroit 3 build cars that are not junk, then I'll change my buying
habits...also the days of the $70/hour unskilled auto worker has to end.

"Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@verizon.net> wrote in message
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> Yes. I knew you would spank me for it. Maybe hit me with a ruler or keep
> me after class.

What is this, some kind of meat market?

buydomestic@usa.com wrote in news:880a57a2-9f6e-4fd7-b631-0543baf7e436
@j32g2000yqn.googlegroups.com:

> If all Americans bought American cars, the US economy would be rockin
> and rollin right now. Don't give me that stuff about Toyota and Honda
> manufacturing over here either. GM employs 130,000 in the United
> States. Toyota employs 30,000, Honda less than that. Most of the
> import jobs are just blue collar jobs also, where GM has over 50,000
> engineers. The Japanese automakers have brainwashed us into thinking
> that buying their car is an investment in this country. I say we buy
> from the Big Three and take our economy back.




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"Cathy F." <clfr@adelphiadotdeedot.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Marko" <trakp@army.mil> wrote in message
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>>
>> "Cathy F." <clfr@adelphiadotdeedot.net> wrote in message
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>>>
>>> <buydomestic@usa.com> wrote in message
>>> news:880a57a2-9f6e-4fd7-b631-0543baf7e436@j32g2000yqn.googlegroups.com...
>>>> If all Americans bought American cars, the US economy would be rockin
>>>> and rollin right now. Don't give me that stuff about Toyota and Honda
>>>> manufacturing over here either. GM employs 130,000 in the United
>>>> States. Toyota employs 30,000, Honda less than that. Most of the
>>>> import jobs are just blue collar jobs also, where GM has over 50,000
>>>> engineers. The Japanese automakers have brainwashed us into thinking
>>>> that buying their car is an investment in this country. I say we buy
>>>> from the Big Three and take our economy back.
>>>
>>> I say we buy what is the best, most economical, most intelligent buy.
>>> The American automakers have screwed up time & again; they've become
>>> mired in their own mud. Problem is... the mud's splattering.
>>>
>>> Cathy (aat)
>>>
>>>
>> On average Japanese cars cost more. If you remove the name plates from
>> most cars and just drive them most would be satisfied. Its just that so
>> many people take hype as gospel. I know one person who says she doesnt
>> like to even be seen in an American car, why I asked her, she gave a
>> basic response that they were junk. I asked her what she owned, oh but
>> she never owned a car at all, she was 19 or 20 or so. I asked what her
>> parents had, she said they have alway had toyotas, nissans or whatever,
>> never American. So there you go... the epitamy of ignorance abounds. I
>> hope you are not caught up in it. Its like rap music, the most F'ed up
>> music ever, with no talent performers spewing filthy lyrics with no
>> melody and a violent beat, yet a generation of people know it really
>> sucks but they listen just to be considered cool. Then they actually
>> start to beleieve its good. Weak minds make weak souls.
>
> You're talking to someone who owned a '72 Duster, followed by a '76 Datsun
> B-210, and then 4 Toyota Corollas, starting in '84 -> the present. The
> writing was on the wall by the mid-70's, but Detroit turned a blind eye &
> just kept cranking out large &/or not-all-that-reliable &/or poorly
> designed models. At this point I have no plans to go back to an American
> name brand car. Next one will likely be an other Toyota - maybe a Prius,
> although a Honda would be just as wise of a purchase. Both comapnies
> produce well made, economical, & as far as cars go, relatively good
> resale/trade-in values.
>
> Cathy
>
>
You are a case in point, a 72 Duster was well over 30 years. By the way my
mother own a 73 Dart Sport slant 6 which was pretty much the same car, it
was tough as nails and had well over 120k before it got wrecked. People
still compare 30 year old cars with 2008.
>

"AJL" <nomail@fakeaddress.com> wrote in message
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> "Marko" <trakp@army.mil> wrote:
>
>>"AJL" wrote:
>
>>> My Chevy Suburban was made in Mexico. My Honda was made in the USA.
>>> Both have parts made all over the world. What exactly is an American
>>> car?
>
>>Honda is japanese company registered in Japan...
>
> So when Chrysler was a German company registered in Germany it wasn't
> an American car?

Germany owned a large share of Chrysler but I also questioned if it was
still American. My understanding was Chrysler was still a registered entity
in the US.
>

"Marko" <trakp@army.mil> wrote in message
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>
> "Cathy F." <clfr@adelphiadotdeedot.net> wrote in message
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>>
>> "Marko" <trakp@army.mil> wrote in message
>> news:493c26e2$0$18293$822641b3@news.adtechcomputer s.com...
>>>
>>> "Cathy F." <clfr@adelphiadotdeedot.net> wrote in message
>>> news:1PudnfEfwJMujaHUnZ2dnUVZ_qfinZ2d@giganews.com ...
>>>>
>>>> <buydomestic@usa.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:880a57a2-9f6e-4fd7-b631-0543baf7e436@j32g2000yqn.googlegroups.com...
>>>>> If all Americans bought American cars, the US economy would be rockin
>>>>> and rollin right now. Don't give me that stuff about Toyota and Honda
>>>>> manufacturing over here either. GM employs 130,000 in the United
>>>>> States. Toyota employs 30,000, Honda less than that. Most of the
>>>>> import jobs are just blue collar jobs also, where GM has over 50,000
>>>>> engineers. The Japanese automakers have brainwashed us into thinking
>>>>> that buying their car is an investment in this country. I say we buy
>>>>> from the Big Three and take our economy back.
>>>>
>>>> I say we buy what is the best, most economical, most intelligent buy.
>>>> The American automakers have screwed up time & again; they've become
>>>> mired in their own mud. Problem is... the mud's splattering.
>>>>
>>>> Cathy (aat)
>>>>
>>>>
>>> On average Japanese cars cost more. If you remove the name plates from
>>> most cars and just drive them most would be satisfied. Its just that so
>>> many people take hype as gospel. I know one person who says she doesnt
>>> like to even be seen in an American car, why I asked her, she gave a
>>> basic response that they were junk. I asked her what she owned, oh but
>>> she never owned a car at all, she was 19 or 20 or so. I asked what her
>>> parents had, she said they have alway had toyotas, nissans or whatever,
>>> never American. So there you go... the epitamy of ignorance abounds. I
>>> hope you are not caught up in it. Its like rap music, the most F'ed up
>>> music ever, with no talent performers spewing filthy lyrics with no
>>> melody and a violent beat, yet a generation of people know it really
>>> sucks but they listen just to be considered cool. Then they actually
>>> start to beleieve its good. Weak minds make weak souls.
>>
>> You're talking to someone who owned a '72 Duster, followed by a '76
>> Datsun B-210, and then 4 Toyota Corollas, starting in '84 -> the present.
>> The writing was on the wall by the mid-70's, but Detroit turned a blind
>> eye & just kept cranking out large &/or not-all-that-reliable &/or poorly
>> designed models. At this point I have no plans to go back to an American
>> name brand car. Next one will likely be an other Toyota - maybe a Prius,
>> although a Honda would be just as wise of a purchase. Both comapnies
>> produce well made, economical, & as far as cars go, relatively good
>> resale/trade-in values.
>>
>> Cathy
>>
>>
> You are a case in point, a 72 Duster was well over 30 years.

Yeah, I know. Its engine was good, but its body started to rust by around
year 3, & the driver's seat cushion had a tear after about 2 years. I sold
it when it was only 4 years old. And although it was considered small in
'72, by'76 it was on the relatively large side. Too large to get aonother
one, or one like it, IMO.

Cathy






By the way my
> mother own a 73 Dart Sport slant 6 which was pretty much the same car, it
> was tough as nails and had well over 120k before it got wrecked. People
> still compare 30 year old cars with 2008.
>>
>

<edspyhill01@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Dec 7, 2:30 pm, "Marko" <tr...@army.mil> wrote:
> "Bentracer and Bentrider" <lowbi...@att.net> wrote in
> messagenews:0b99d083-e891-49cc-aa92-d2a579ec07f5@j32g2000yqn.googlegroups.com...
> On Dec 7, 12:01 pm, buydomes...@usa.com wrote:
>
> > If all Americans bought American cars, the US economy would be rockin
> > and rollin right now. Don't give me that stuff about Toyota and Honda
> > manufacturing over here either. GM employs 130,000 in the United
> > States. Toyota employs 30,000, Honda less than that. Most of the
> > import jobs are just blue collar jobs also, where GM has over 50,000
> > engineers. The Japanese automakers have brainwashed us into thinking
> > that buying their car is an investment in this country. I say we buy
> > from the Big Three and take our economy back.
>
> i would not mind buying american cars again only if they can produce
> quality like Honda and Toyota
> until they can they and their UNIONS can go and $$$$ themselfs.
> they still have not learned from their own mistakes, they just keep
> producing the same old SHIT.
>
> You mean the quality like my Moms old Toyota, so many problems even before
> reacing 80k miles. Ended up selling it to the mechanic. Fit and finish
> wise
> it was no different from any other car of the day. This being the late
> 80s.

How many times did she have the oil changed, once, twice?

Oh this wasn't about oil. This was such a mess the various dealer mechanics
she went to couldn't fix it even though every time she left the lot they
swore it was fixed. The car nickled and dimed her with the same problems
over and over. It made me a believer that Japanese don't make supercars. My
sister inlaw owned a mazda 626 in the early 90s and it went through 2
transmissions before reaching 100k miles, not like she was racing it. She
ended up getting rid of it and went out and bought another Mazda. Now how
whack is that?

<edspyhill01@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Dec 7, 2:58 pm, "Marko" <tr...@army.mil> wrote:
> <edspyhil...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:225c5947-dbe3-486c-9820-cd1727b16185@l39g2000yqn.googlegroups.com...
> On Dec 7, 1:48 pm, "Marko" <tr...@army.mil> wrote:
>
> > <buydomes...@usa.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:880a57a2-9f6e-4fd7-b631-0543baf7e436@j32g2000yqn.googlegroups.com...
>
> > > If all Americans bought American cars, the US economy would be rockin
> > > and rollin right now. Don't give me that stuff about Toyota and Honda
> > > manufacturing over here either. GM employs 130,000 in the United
> > > States. Toyota employs 30,000, Honda less than that. Most of the
> > > import jobs are just blue collar jobs also, where GM has over 50,000
> > > engineers. The Japanese automakers have brainwashed us into thinking
> > > that buying their car is an investment in this country. I say we buy
> > > from the Big Three and take our economy back.
>
> > Import owner are traitors.
>
> And we support Al Qaeda and all world-wide terrorists too, right?
> Butthead. You must work directly or indirectly for an automaker.
>
> No..wrong asshole, I just try to buy American when possible. I try to keep
> as much of my money possible home. Instead of sending major profits half
> way
> around the globe.

What a skilled polemicist you are! Your premise and argument were DOA
before you clicked Send.

You need a better come back that that if you can't think of a logical
response.