Honda Car Forum

"Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@verizon.net> wrote in message
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> <buydomestic@usa.com> wrote in message
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>> If all Americans bought American cars, the US economy would be rockin
>> and rollin right now. Don't give me that stuff about Toyota and Honda
>> manufacturing over here either. GM employs 130,000 in the United
>> States. Toyota employs 30,000, Honda less than that. Most of the
>> import jobs are just blue collar jobs also, where GM has over 50,000
>> engineers. The Japanese automakers have brainwashed us into thinking
>> that buying their car is an investment in this country. I say we buy
>> from the Big Three and take our economy back.
>
>
> Can you say, "Bullshit!"
>
> The car market is an affect

Effect!

Cathy

of the sour economy, not a cause. Housing is a
> cause. Everything is rooted in the housing market. Well, mortgage lending
> market really, but mortgage loans are extended to buy houses.
>
> A borrower gets a crappy loan with the intent to refinance in 2 or 3
> years. The guy next door with a crappy loan that was 6 months older could
> not refi because the value had not increased enough. He walks. The first
> borrower I talked about now sees his value has also not increased, he
> walks. Now, the guy across the street wants to refi, no value, he walks.
> Values plummet. Nobody buys a new sofa, the sofa store goes under. Workers
> laid off, can't pay the crappy mortgage, or the good one for that matter.
> They walk, housing values go down even more. People stop going to Home
> Depot for home improvement stuff, or Best Buy. Depot and Best Buy slow
> their purchases from their vendors. More layoffs, more home owners that
> can't pay the mortgage. More declines in home values.
>
> Now, the guy with a good job and a home he's owned for 10 years finds that
> he can't sell his house because the value is where it was when he bought
> it because there is so much inventory of empty houses. He decides a home
> equity loan is the ticket, and he'll remodel. Because of the issues with
> the value, he can't get the loan he wants even though he has a good job
> with a good wage and good credit. The house value isn't where it needs to
> be so that he can get a loan to make it an even better home. And, he can't
> sell it to move across town to a bigger and better home. He is stuck, he
> makes the payment but does not buy stuff from Depot or Best Buy because he
> needs more stuff than he can put in the house he has and he can't make the
> house better. He also decides to sit on the same old LazyBoy sofa he's had
> for 15 years. Home Depot, Best Buy, and the LazyBoy Showroom all lose
> sales. Layoffs and more declining house values.
>
> On top of all of this, nobody buys a new car because they have been laid
> off or face a looming layoff.
>
> The car market is a trailing indicator of how crappy things are. Things
> are not crappy because we are not buying cars, we are not buying cars
> because things are crappy.
>
> Now, consider a Taurus and an Avalon. These are two cars that are after
> essentially the same customer. The Avalon is better equipped and lower
> priced. It is without a doubt the better car value. You can thank labor
> for this.
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"Marko" <trakp@army.mil> wrote:

>"AJL" wrote:

>> My Chevy Suburban was made in Mexico. My Honda was made in the USA.
>> Both have parts made all over the world. What exactly is an American
>> car?

>Honda is japanese company registered in Japan...

So when Chrysler was a German company registered in Germany it wasn't
an American car?

<buydomestic@usa.com> wrote in message
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> If all Americans bought American cars, the US economy would be rockin
> and rollin right now. Don't give me that stuff about Toyota and Honda
> manufacturing over here either. GM employs 130,000 in the United
> States. Toyota employs 30,000, Honda less than that. Most of the
> import jobs are just blue collar jobs also, where GM has over 50,000
> engineers. The Japanese automakers have brainwashed us into thinking
> that buying their car is an investment in this country. I say we buy
> from the Big Three and take our economy back.

If the American cars were worth buying I would instead of buying Toyota.
Probably would buy a Honda without any problem either.
First new car was a 1968 Dodge Swinger 340. Ran ok but front seat cracked
the covering at 20,000 miles. Total loss it at 23,000 when someone ran a
stop sign in front of me. Bought a 1972 Dodge Deamon 340 I ordered and it
came in with a bad spot of paint on the back about 6 inches in diameter. It
ran so much slower than the 68 that I stopped on the side of the road on
the way home to see if they had put in a six cylinder instead of the V8. It
was back to the dealer so many times for not starting and other problems I
traded it at 18,000 miles. Got a 74 Pontiact and every 40,000 I had to
replace a gear on the timing chain. They used a 'paper' gear. Also heater
core at 70,000. Had one other American car and it did no beter. Went to
the Datsun in 1981 and only replaced the break pads and lightbulbs and
battery and normal service scheduled items. Put 100,000 on it and traded.
1991 Camry, 200,000 no problems. Wife had several Toyatos and no problems.
Made a mistake and got a late 90 or eairly 2000 something Ford and it had
many problems. Back to the Toyotas. That is not counting on all the
problems My mom and dad had with the American cars they had. They had been
buying new ones from about 1966 and had problems with most all of them.

On Sun, 7 Dec 2008 14:41:22 -0500, "Marko" <trakp@army.mil> wrote:

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>"Cathy F." <clfr@adelphiadotdeedot.net> wrote in message
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>> <buydomestic@usa.com> wrote in message
>> news:880a57a2-9f6e-4fd7-b631-0543baf7e436@j32g2000yqn.googlegroups.com...
>>> If all Americans bought American cars, the US economy would be rockin
>>> and rollin right now. Don't give me that stuff about Toyota and Honda
>>> manufacturing over here either. GM employs 130,000 in the United
>>> States. Toyota employs 30,000, Honda less than that. Most of the
>>> import jobs are just blue collar jobs also, where GM has over 50,000
>>> engineers. The Japanese automakers have brainwashed us into thinking
>>> that buying their car is an investment in this country. I say we buy
>>> from the Big Three and take our economy back.
>>
>> I say we buy what is the best, most economical, most intelligent buy. The
>> American automakers have screwed up time & again; they've become mired in
>> their own mud. Problem is... the mud's splattering.
>>
>> Cathy (aat)
>>
>>
>On average Japanese cars cost more. If you remove the name plates from most
>cars and just drive them most would be satisfied. Its just that so many
>people take hype as gospel. I know one person who says she doesnt like to
>even be seen in an American car, why I asked her, she gave a basic response
>that they were junk. I asked her what she owned, oh but she never owned a
>car at all, she was 19 or 20 or so. I asked what her parents had, she said
>they have alway had toyotas, nissans or whatever, never American. So there
>you go... the epitamy of ignorance abounds. I hope you are not caught up in
>it. Its like rap music, the most F'ed up music ever, with no talent
>performers spewing filthy lyrics with no melody and a violent beat, yet a
>generation of people know it really sucks but they listen just to be
>considered cool. Then they actually start to beleieve its good. Weak minds
>make weak souls.


Well, I've owned jap, Euro, and American iron over the years. I
currently own 2 "american" cars, while my daughter owns an "import"

I Live in Canada.

My Mercury Mystique was built in Kansas City (as was my previous
Aerostar). My Chrysler PT Cruiser is built in Auburn Hills, but the
vast majority are built in Toluca, Mexico.

My daughter's new Honda is built just down the road in Alliston,
Ontario. Her former Neon was built in Belvedere Indiana?, but again
the vast majority were built in Mexico. (as are a HUGE number of
so-called AMERICAN cars. Even back in 1998, there were chinese built
parts in that American assembled Neon.

My 1998 Chrysler had a Jap engine - from one of the poorer Japanese
manufacturers (Mitsubishi). So did my 1995 Chrysler.

I've had BMC, Vauxhaul(GM GB), Totota, VW, Chrysler, AMC, Ford,
Toyota, GM,Peugot, Fiat, and Mitsubishi, over the years.

If the Toyota's didn't hold their value so well (and I only buy used)
I'd likely be driving one now. My 2 Toyotas were the best 2 cars I've
owned, mechanically. The 1981 Tercel body rusted like a bloody FORD -
but other than that it was fantastic. The Corolla was also an
excellent car, but got too small for the family and at 13 years old,
or whatever, it was time to replace it.

I had 2 Aerostars, and a Granada from Ford - all had pretty serious
rust issues and engine and transmission failures.

I've had a PILE of chryslers over the years - and the pre-80s
Chrysters were pretty good. The quality hit the crapper about then.
The quality has come back significantly - but they still have their
share of issues - but I can buy a used one with 60,000 miles, 6 years
old, for 6 grand - so that's what I'm driving now. Equivalent Toyota
would be double the price - minimum, in this market.

The BMC was crap, but when I bought it I knew what I was getting.
The vauxhaull I expected to be crap, and it surprised me to no end.
Perhaps the most dependable car, overall, Inhave ever owned. OK, so
it was rough as a cob. It let me down a few times, but I was ALWAYS
able to fix it on the road, and the parts were cheap while they were
available. I sold it to a friend who eventually scrapped it when parts
got too difficult to get over here. (it was over 20 years old)

The peugot was junk - as was the Fiat, and both VWs were a handfull.
One was an antique, and the other (a VW Rabbit) needed a lot of work
in the very short time I owned it.
The AMCs I owned served me very well.

Then there was GM.
Can't base much on the 1928 and 1935 Chevies, or even the '67 Chevy 2
or the '57 210 I owned - but the 1995 3.8L TransSport was perhaps the
most dissapointing vehicle I ever owned. The plastic body didn't rust
- but it could not pull the trailer I dragged all over north america
with the 3.0 Aerostar. It was harder on gas than the bigger-bodied
aerostar -and gave a lot more trouble. One vehicle I've owned that I
have not missed ONCE since getting rid of - and the ONLY vehicle I
have ever owned that went straight to the scrappies when I was
finished with it!!!!!

I spent 25 years as a mechanic - about half of those years (at both
ends of my career) with Toyota - and I saw them improve markedly from
the late sixties on.

"Cathy F." <clfr@adelphiadotdeedot.net> wrote in message
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> "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@verizon.net> wrote in message
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>> <buydomestic@usa.com> wrote in message
>> news:880a57a2-9f6e-4fd7-b631-0543baf7e436@j32g2000yqn.googlegroups.com...
>>> If all Americans bought American cars, the US economy would be rockin
>>> and rollin right now. Don't give me that stuff about Toyota and Honda
>>> manufacturing over here either. GM employs 130,000 in the United
>>> States. Toyota employs 30,000, Honda less than that. Most of the
>>> import jobs are just blue collar jobs also, where GM has over 50,000
>>> engineers. The Japanese automakers have brainwashed us into thinking
>>> that buying their car is an investment in this country. I say we buy
>>> from the Big Three and take our economy back.
>>
>>
>> Can you say, "Bullshit!"
>>
>> The car market is an affect
>
> Effect!
>
> Cathy
>

I was thinking of you ...

On Sun, 7 Dec 2008 14:58:05 -0500, "Marko" <trakp@army.mil> wrote:

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><edspyhill01@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>On Dec 7, 1:48 pm, "Marko" <tr...@army.mil> wrote:
>> <buydomes...@usa.com> wrote in message
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>> news:880a57a2-9f6e-4fd7-b631-0543baf7e436@j32g2000yqn.googlegroups.com...
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>> > If all Americans bought American cars, the US economy would be rockin
>> > and rollin right now. Don't give me that stuff about Toyota and Honda
>> > manufacturing over here either. GM employs 130,000 in the United
>> > States. Toyota employs 30,000, Honda less than that. Most of the
>> > import jobs are just blue collar jobs also, where GM has over 50,000
>> > engineers. The Japanese automakers have brainwashed us into thinking
>> > that buying their car is an investment in this country. I say we buy
>> > from the Big Three and take our economy back.
>>
>> Import owner are traitors.
>
>And we support Al Qaeda and all world-wide terrorists too, right?
>Butthead. You must work directly or indirectly for an automaker.
>
>No..wrong asshole, I just try to buy American when possible. I try to keep
>as much of my money possible home. Instead of sending major profits half way
>around the globe.


Gee, mabee if there was "major profits" to be made by the American
manufacturers they couls make something Americans are EAGER to
buy??????

On Sun, 7 Dec 2008 14:17:52 -0800 (PST), "edspyhill01@yahoo.com"
<edspyhill01@yahoo.com> wrote:

>On Dec 7, 3:06Â*pm, "HLS" <nos...@nospam.nix> wrote:
>> "Cathy F." <c...@adelphiadotdeedot.net> wrote in message
>> > I say we buy what is the best, most economical, most intelligent buy. Â*The
>> > American automakers have screwed up time & again; they've become mired in
>> > their own mud. Â*Problem is... the mud's splattering.
>>
>> > Cathy (aat)
>>
>> Very logical...The Big 3 should maybe listen to the customer more.
>>
>> I have no doubt the Big 3 can compete in quality and design if they wish to
>> do so, and if they market their products well, they should be competitive.
>>
>> But talking isnt always doing. Â*Do, Big 3
>
>They might be able to compete if the US had universal healthcare.
>Then American companies would not to spend profits providing
>healthcare.

Canada hs "universal health care"
But believe me, it's not "free".
Building cars in Canada is as expensive (at least) as in the USA.

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>> "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@verizon.net> wrote in message
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>>> <buydomestic@usa.com> wrote in message
>>> news:880a57a2-9f6e-4fd7-b631-0543baf7e436@j32g2000yqn.googlegroups.com...
>>>> If all Americans bought American cars, the US economy would be rockin
>>>> and rollin right now. Don't give me that stuff about Toyota and Honda
>>>> manufacturing over here either. GM employs 130,000 in the United
>>>> States. Toyota employs 30,000, Honda less than that. Most of the
>>>> import jobs are just blue collar jobs also, where GM has over 50,000
>>>> engineers. The Japanese automakers have brainwashed us into thinking
>>>> that buying their car is an investment in this country. I say we buy
>>>> from the Big Three and take our economy back.
>>>
>>>
>>> Can you say, "Bullshit!"
>>>
>>> The car market is an affect
>>
>> Effect!
>>
>> Cathy
>>
>
> I was thinking of you ...

Did you type "affect" on purpose?! ;-)

Cathy


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"Cathy F." <clfr@adelphiadotdeedot.net> wrote in message
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>> I was thinking of you ...
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> Did you type "affect" on purpose?! ;-)
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> Cathy
>

Yes. I knew you would spank me for it. Maybe hit me with a ruler or keep me
after class.

yeahhhh....

Bush says he is sorry for the 9/11 ... the Katrina ... the Depression we are
in ... big recession with 700 Billion of insurance fraud Bush is paying the
Fat Cats in the Red States with.

Bush says he is sorry for NOT CATCHING CLINTON's mistakes ... Clinton did it
all .. he says.

This is not the Bush Recession Depression ... oh no .. it is the Clinton
one.

Bush is sorry he did not fix it in time ... and catch it before it blew up
like it was Building 7.

Foxed Up Ditto Heads stuck in their toddler tantrum know of such things.

All Hail Moses's Serpent Staff from the Jealous God of FIRE who makes babies
with His daughters.

We will be saved by Floods ... whoops already did that you know the rainbow
sorry thingy ... so saved by FIRE it is !!!

Maybe God will give us dustbowls for rememberance of never again !!!

sumbuddie wear blind sea