Honda Car Forum

On Dec 7, 2:41*pm, "Marko" <tr...@army.mil> wrote:

> make weak souls.

All this stems from your religious beliefs?

On Dec 7, 3:06*pm, "HLS" <nos...@nospam.nix> wrote:
> "Cathy F." <c...@adelphiadotdeedot.net> wrote in message
> > I say we buy what is the best, most economical, most intelligent buy. *The
> > American automakers have screwed up time & again; they've become mired in
> > their own mud. *Problem is... the mud's splattering.
>
> > Cathy (aat)
>
> Very logical...The Big 3 should maybe listen to the customer more.
>
> I have no doubt the Big 3 can compete in quality and design if they wish to
> do so, and if they market their products well, they should be competitive..
>
> But talking isnt always doing. *Do, Big 3

They might be able to compete if the US had universal healthcare.
Then American companies would not to spend profits providing
healthcare.

"HLS" <nospam@nospam.nix> wrote in message
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> "Cathy F." <clfr@adelphiadotdeedot.net> wrote in message
>> I say we buy what is the best, most economical, most intelligent
>> buy. The American automakers have screwed up time & again; they've
>> become mired in their own mud. Problem is... the mud's
>> splattering.
>>
>> Cathy (aat)
>
>
> Very logical...The Big 3 should maybe listen to the customer more.
>
> I have no doubt the Big 3 can compete in quality and design if they
> wish to
> do so, and if they market their products well, they should be
> competitive.
>
> But talking isnt always doing. Do, Big 3
>
>

They will, so they say, if we loan 'em $35 billion.

"Marko" <trakp@army.mil> wrote in message
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> "jim beam" <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote in message
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>> On Sun, 07 Dec 2008 10:01:25 -0800, buydomestic wrote:
>>
>>> If all Americans bought American cars, the US economy would be
>>> rockin
>>> and rollin right now. Don't give me that stuff about Toyota and
>>> Honda
>>> manufacturing over here either. GM employs 130,000 in the United
>>> States. Toyota employs 30,000, Honda less than that. Most of the
>>> import jobs are just blue collar jobs also, where GM has over
>>> 50,000
>>> engineers. The Japanese automakers have brainwashed us into
>>> thinking
>>> that buying their car is an investment in this country. I say we
>>> buy
>>> from the Big Three and take our economy back.
>>
>> idiot. "big three" are spending all their resources on ways to
>> have their
>> stuff made in china and mexico. why should we support that?
>>
>> japanese manufacturers make their stuff in the good old usa, with
>> usa
>> components and usa workers. buy japanese instead.
>
> Yeh and send all the profits back to good Japan.

So, only 90% of the money stays here. How much profit do you think
there is in commodities? This is why the big 3 need to be bailed out.
They focused their resources on larger and higher profit margin
vehicles without a clue as to which way the market was turning.

>>
>

<buydomestic@usa.com> wrote in message
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> If all Americans bought American cars, the US economy would be rockin
> and rollin right now. Don't give me that stuff about Toyota and Honda
> manufacturing over here either. GM employs 130,000 in the United
> States. Toyota employs 30,000, Honda less than that. Most of the
> import jobs are just blue collar jobs also, where GM has over 50,000
> engineers. The Japanese automakers have brainwashed us into thinking
> that buying their car is an investment in this country. I say we buy
> from the Big Three and take our economy back.


Can you say, "Bullshit!"

The car market is an affect of the sour economy, not a cause. Housing is a
cause. Everything is rooted in the housing market. Well, mortgage lending
market really, but mortgage loans are extended to buy houses.

A borrower gets a crappy loan with the intent to refinance in 2 or 3 years.
The guy next door with a crappy loan that was 6 months older could not refi
because the value had not increased enough. He walks. The first borrower I
talked about now sees his value has also not increased, he walks. Now, the
guy across the street wants to refi, no value, he walks. Values plummet.
Nobody buys a new sofa, the sofa store goes under. Workers laid off, can't
pay the crappy mortgage, or the good one for that matter. They walk, housing
values go down even more. People stop going to Home Depot for home
improvement stuff, or Best Buy. Depot and Best Buy slow their purchases from
their vendors. More layoffs, more home owners that can't pay the mortgage.
More declines in home values.

Now, the guy with a good job and a home he's owned for 10 years finds that
he can't sell his house because the value is where it was when he bought it
because there is so much inventory of empty houses. He decides a home equity
loan is the ticket, and he'll remodel. Because of the issues with the value,
he can't get the loan he wants even though he has a good job with a good
wage and good credit. The house value isn't where it needs to be so that he
can get a loan to make it an even better home. And, he can't sell it to move
across town to a bigger and better home. He is stuck, he makes the payment
but does not buy stuff from Depot or Best Buy because he needs more stuff
than he can put in the house he has and he can't make the house better. He
also decides to sit on the same old LazyBoy sofa he's had for 15 years. Home
Depot, Best Buy, and the LazyBoy Showroom all lose sales. Layoffs and more
declining house values.

On top of all of this, nobody buys a new car because they have been laid off
or face a looming layoff.

The car market is a trailing indicator of how crappy things are. Things are
not crappy because we are not buying cars, we are not buying cars because
things are crappy.

Now, consider a Taurus and an Avalon. These are two cars that are after
essentially the same customer. The Avalon is better equipped and lower
priced. It is without a doubt the better car value. You can thank labor for
this.

<buydomestic@usa.com> wrote in message
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> If all Americans bought American cars, the US economy would be rockin
> and rollin right now. Don't give me that stuff about Toyota and Honda
> manufacturing over here either. GM employs 130,000 in the United
> States. Toyota employs 30,000, Honda less than that. Most of the
> import jobs are just blue collar jobs also, where GM has over 50,000
> engineers. The Japanese automakers have brainwashed us into thinking
> that buying their car is an investment in this country. I say we buy
> from the Big Three and take our economy back.

If GM has 50,000 engineers, and that is all they can come up with, then
maybe they just have way too many.

"Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@lycos/com> wrote in message
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>I believe that is what most buyers believe they are doing, don't you? If
>you suggest one buy the best, most economical, most intelligent buy, you
>must mean buy from GM because more Americans buy their new vehicles from GM
>than any other manufacturer

Then there is no problem, right? No need for a bailout, right?

On Sun, 7 Dec 2008 11:02:52 -0800 (PST), "edspyhill01@yahoo.com"
<edspyhill01@yahoo.com> wrote:

>On Dec 7, 1:07Â*pm, jim beam <spamvor...@bad.example.net> wrote:
>> On Sun, 07 Dec 2008 10:01:25 -0800, buydomestic wrote:
>> > If all Americans bought American cars, the US economy would be rockin
>> > and rollin right now. Â*Don't give me that stuff about Toyota and Honda
>> > manufacturing over here either. Â*GM employs 130,000 in the United
>> > States. Â*Toyota employs 30,000, Honda less than that. Â*Most of the
>> > import jobs are just blue collar jobs also, where GM has over 50,000
>> > engineers. Â*The Japanese automakers have brainwashed us into thinking
>> > that buying their car is an investment in this country. Â*I say we buy
>> > from the Big Three and take our economy back.
>>
>> idiot. Â*"big three" are spending all their resources on ways to have their
>> stuff made in china and mexico. Â*why should we support that? Â*
>>
>> japanese manufacturers make their stuff in the good old usa, with usa
>> components and usa workers. Â*buy japanese instead.
>
>Amen! And don't forget Ford's manufacturing plant in Brazil.

And ford has been building vehicles in Brazil since 1957.
They have assembled in Argentina since 1919, and manufactured since
1959.
They also manufacture cars in India, Thailand, and Australia.

Ford currently also has plants in the UK, Turkey,Belgium, Spain and
Sweden.

<clare@snyder.on.ca> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 7 Dec 2008 11:02:52 -0800 (PST), "edspyhill01@yahoo.com"
> <edspyhill01@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>On Dec 7, 1:07 pm, jim beam <spamvor...@bad.example.net> wrote:
>>> On Sun, 07 Dec 2008 10:01:25 -0800, buydomestic wrote:
>>> > If all Americans bought American cars, the US economy would be rockin
>>> > and rollin right now. Don't give me that stuff about Toyota and Honda
>>> > manufacturing over here either. GM employs 130,000 in the United
>>> > States. Toyota employs 30,000, Honda less than that. Most of the
>>> > import jobs are just blue collar jobs also, where GM has over 50,000
>>> > engineers. The Japanese automakers have brainwashed us into thinking
>>> > that buying their car is an investment in this country. I say we buy
>>> > from the Big Three and take our economy back.
>>>
>>> idiot. "big three" are spending all their resources on ways to have
>>> their
>>> stuff made in china and mexico. why should we support that?
>>>
>>> japanese manufacturers make their stuff in the good old usa, with usa
>>> components and usa workers. buy japanese instead.
>>
>>Amen! And don't forget Ford's manufacturing plant in Brazil.
>
> And ford has been building vehicles in Brazil since 1957.
> They have assembled in Argentina since 1919, and manufactured since
> 1959.
> They also manufacture cars in India, Thailand, and Australia.
>
> Ford currently also has plants in the UK, Turkey,Belgium, Spain and
> Sweden.

And, all of those plants in all of those markets are doing well. Only North
American operations are in the dumper.

Mazda, Honda and Toyota - Saw the Mazda 6, Honda Accord and Toyota
Camry and all were built here.

There are good American cars. Ford/Mercury/Lincoln are nice now.
Chrysler has some good stuff. GM has some good styff, but fair play is
fair pay. The US companies are not weak in designs and competitive
spirit - the management and the cost of production are kicking them in
the nuts though.

As for Gas it is about $1.65 a gallon around here now and it is
forecast to drop. Much like the late 1970s - early 1980s bubble, the
late - 2000s oil bubble seems to have burst.

Watch Congress order US companies to produce hybrids which cost
thousands more for one or two more MPGs while Honda and Toyota build
more trucks.