Honda Car Forum

Starscream wrote:
> 80 Knight wrote:
>> "CharlesTheCurmudgeon" <n5hsr@comcast.net> wrote in message
>> news:giqfca$69s$1@news.motzarella.org...
>>> And I remembered something about the S-10 that I forgot. If you left
>>> the dome light on for 8 hours, your battery was dead, especially in
>>> winter. I had to get it jumped once because of that feature.
>>
>> Wow, what an awful feature. Who would've thought that leaving the
>> interior lights on for several hours would kill the battery? I think
>> I found the problem. Chuck, you are a ****ing idiot. Please keep
>> your Toyota. I feel better driving a GM knowing you aren't.
>>
>
> Leaving the dome light on *SHOULD NOT* prevent the car from starting,
> unless there was a problem with the battery itself. Since batteries
> aren't manufactured by carmakers, GM is not to blame.

sure it will, say it's a 10W bulb (don't know exactly what car we're
talking about here) round that to 1A to make the math easy, say you
leave your car for 24 hours, that's 24Ah or probably half the total
capacity of an average 12V car battery. (not sure exactly what they
are, but a 55Ah lead-acid battery used for backup power is about the
same size as a car battery.)

Now the OP said that he only left it on for 8 hours, but let's say that
this was a higher end trim level with courtesy lights in the footwells,
a cargo area light, etc. that might be closer to a 3-4A draw so the math
still works out exactly the same or even worse than my example above.

nate

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"80 Knight" <nospam> turned on the Etch-A-Sketch and wrote:

> "CharlesTheCurmudgeon" <n5hsr@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:giqfca$69s$1@news.motzarella.org...
>> And I remembered something about the S-10 that I forgot. If you left the
>> dome light on for 8 hours, your battery was dead, especially in winter.
>> I had to get it jumped once because of that feature.
>
> Wow, what an awful feature. Who would've thought that leaving the
> interior
> lights on for several hours would kill the battery? I think I found the
> problem. Chuck, you are a ****ing idiot. Please keep your Toyota. I
> feel better driving a GM knowing you aren't.

Odd, I had done that several times in the past - on Nissan and GM
cars/trucks - and never had an issue.

Of course, in Winter the temp drops down. (I noticed it was down to 55
degrees outside when I left for the gym this morning at 4:45.) IIRC, that
tends to put more of a strain on the battery.


Or is it the other way around?


Nice thing is - in my truck and my wife's car (Chevy/Saturn), the interior
lights automatically shut off after about ten minutes.


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"Nate Nagel" <njnagel@roosters.net> wrote in message
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> Starscream wrote:
>> 80 Knight wrote:
>>> "CharlesTheCurmudgeon" <n5hsr@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>> news:giqfca$69s$1@news.motzarella.org...
>>>> And I remembered something about the S-10 that I forgot. If you left
>>>> the dome light on for 8 hours, your battery was dead, especially in
>>>> winter. I had to get it jumped once because of that feature.
>>>
>>> Wow, what an awful feature. Who would've thought that leaving the
>>> interior lights on for several hours would kill the battery? I think I
>>> found the problem. Chuck, you are a ****ing idiot. Please keep your
>>> Toyota. I feel better driving a GM knowing you aren't.
>>>
>>
>> Leaving the dome light on *SHOULD NOT* prevent the car from starting,
>> unless there was a problem with the battery itself. Since batteries
>> aren't manufactured by carmakers, GM is not to blame.
>
> sure it will, say it's a 10W bulb (don't know exactly what car we're
> talking about here) round that to 1A to make the math easy, say you leave
> your car for 24 hours, that's 24Ah or probably half the total capacity of
> an average 12V car battery. (not sure exactly what they are, but a 55Ah
> lead-acid battery used for backup power is about the same size as a car
> battery.)
>
> Now the OP said that he only left it on for 8 hours, but let's say that
> this was a higher end trim level with courtesy lights in the footwells, a
> cargo area light, etc. that might be closer to a 3-4A draw so the math
> still works out exactly the same or even worse than my example above.
>
> nate
>
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> replace "roosters" with "cox" to reply.
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Yes it was an S-10 that had more than just an interior light, there was also
two lights on either side of the brake light on the cab that went on. There
were also interior lights under the dash. Running for the train was fun!

And to think I left my Corolla dome light on all day the other day and it
started right up. But it's only one little dome light, probably not even 5
W.

Sir Charles the Curmudgeon

On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 09:57:43 -0500, Starscream
<dead_decepticon@hotmail.com> wrote:

>80 Knight wrote:
>> "CharlesTheCurmudgeon" <n5hsr@comcast.net> wrote in message
>> news:giqfca$69s$1@news.motzarella.org...
>>> And I remembered something about the S-10 that I forgot. If you left the
>>> dome light on for 8 hours, your battery was dead, especially in winter. I
>>> had to get it jumped once because of that feature.
>>
>> Wow, what an awful feature. Who would've thought that leaving the interior
>> lights on for several hours would kill the battery? I think I found the
>> problem. Chuck, you are a ****ing idiot. Please keep your Toyota. I feel
>> better driving a GM knowing you aren't.
>>
>>
>
>Leaving the dome light on *SHOULD NOT* prevent the car from starting,
>unless there was a problem with the battery itself. Since batteries
>aren't manufactured by carmakers, GM is not to blame.


Except GM owns AC Delco and also spec's the battery.

The Chevy also likely has a brighter dome light?

That said, the Jap batteries are among the best out there (yuasa in
particular) and Delco among the worst (particularly the "freedom
battery"

On domestic cars today the interior lights off automatically after a set
period of time.


<clare@snyder.on.ca> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 09:57:43 -0500, Starscream
> <dead_decepticon@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>80 Knight wrote:
>>> "CharlesTheCurmudgeon" <n5hsr@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>> news:giqfca$69s$1@news.motzarella.org...
>>>> And I remembered something about the S-10 that I forgot. If you left
>>>> the
>>>> dome light on for 8 hours, your battery was dead, especially in winter.
>>>> I
>>>> had to get it jumped once because of that feature.
>>>
>>> Wow, what an awful feature. Who would've thought that leaving the
>>> interior
>>> lights on for several hours would kill the battery? I think I found the
>>> problem. Chuck, you are a ****ing idiot. Please keep your Toyota. I
>>> feel
>>> better driving a GM knowing you aren't.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>Leaving the dome light on *SHOULD NOT* prevent the car from starting,
>>unless there was a problem with the battery itself. Since batteries
>>aren't manufactured by carmakers, GM is not to blame.
>
>
> Except GM owns AC Delco and also spec's the battery.
>
> The Chevy also likely has a brighter dome light?
>
> That said, the Jap batteries are among the best out there (yuasa in
> particular) and Delco among the worst (particularly the "freedom
> battery"

"CharlesTheCurmudgeon" <n5hsr@comcast.net> wrote in message
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>
> "80 Knight" <nospam> wrote in message
> news:xsWdnaMSdZ5ZG8XUnZ2dnUVZ_hednZ2d@giganews.com ...
>> "CharlesTheCurmudgeon" <n5hsr@comcast.net> wrote in message
>> news:giqfca$69s$1@news.motzarella.org...
>>> And I remembered something about the S-10 that I forgot. If you left
>>> the dome light on for 8 hours, your battery was dead, especially in
>>> winter. I had to get it jumped once because of that feature.
>>
>> Wow, what an awful feature. Who would've thought that leaving the
>> interior lights on for several hours would kill the battery? I think I
>> found the problem. Chuck, you are a ****ing idiot. Please keep your
>> Toyota. I feel better driving a GM knowing you aren't.
>>
>
> Dear 80 Kni-got
>
> I have left my dome light on for a full 8 hours several times including
> during the winter, with my various Toyotas and haven't come close to
> killing the battery. Haven't done it often, but I did it for the first
> time in 3 years the other day. I used to do it much more on my S-10
> because of the way the seatbelt retracted. I would leave the vehicle in
> a hurry and the door would be blocked from closing all the way. If I was
> in a hurry to catch a train, which I usually was in those days, I wouldn't
> have time to check it, because I'd be running for the train.

Like I said, you are a ****ing idiot. Leaving the interior light on and
killing the battery is clearly a user issue, not a GM issue.

> 80 Kni-got, you are the idiot, buying second-rate American goods. By the
> way, your mother was a hamster and your father reeked of elderberries.

Wow, such clever jokes. Does your family tree fork at any point?

> Now go away, or I will taunt you a second time. You son of a silly
> person. I fart in your general direction.

Yawn. Why don't you stay in the Toyo group. I doubt you are liked over
there either, but you certainly come off as an asshole over here.

"Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@lycos/com> wrote in message
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> On domestic cars today the interior lights off automatically after a set
> period of time.
>
>
> <clare@snyder.on.ca> wrote in message
> newsheil4t9g25ob7jfr5mb3u71b2a9otcpg8@4ax.com...
>> On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 09:57:43 -0500, Starscream
>> <dead_decepticon@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>80 Knight wrote:
>>>> "CharlesTheCurmudgeon" <n5hsr@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:giqfca$69s$1@news.motzarella.org...
>>>>> And I remembered something about the S-10 that I forgot. If you left
>>>>> the
>>>>> dome light on for 8 hours, your battery was dead, especially in
>>>>> winter. I
>>>>> had to get it jumped once because of that feature.
>>>>
>>>> Wow, what an awful feature. Who would've thought that leaving the
>>>> interior
>>>> lights on for several hours would kill the battery? I think I found
>>>> the
>>>> problem. Chuck, you are a ****ing idiot. Please keep your Toyota. I
>>>> feel
>>>> better driving a GM knowing you aren't.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>Leaving the dome light on *SHOULD NOT* prevent the car from starting,
>>>unless there was a problem with the battery itself. Since batteries
>>>aren't manufactured by carmakers, GM is not to blame.
>>
>>
>> Except GM owns AC Delco and also spec's the battery.
>>
>> The Chevy also likely has a brighter dome light?
>>
>> That said, the Jap batteries are among the best out there (yuasa in
>> particular) and Delco among the worst (particularly the "freedom
>> battery"
>
>

The 95 S-10 at the trim level I bought did not have that feature. I wished
it did. It also had 2 wheel (rear-only) ABS, which was a total piece of
crap. There were many times I wasn't stopping in a straight line on a
slippery surface that the rear tried to pass the front! First time it did
that, I nearly drove it down to the dealer and put it through his front
window just to show him what a piece of worthless dung it was.

Sir Charles the Curmudgeon

OTOH, my Corolla doesn't either, but it's not trying to power a freeking
kleig light to illuminate the passenger compartment brighter than sunshine.

<clare@snyder.on.ca> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 09:57:43 -0500, Starscream
> <dead_decepticon@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>80 Knight wrote:
>>> "CharlesTheCurmudgeon" <n5hsr@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>> news:giqfca$69s$1@news.motzarella.org...
>>>> And I remembered something about the S-10 that I forgot. If you left
>>>> the
>>>> dome light on for 8 hours, your battery was dead, especially in winter.
>>>> I
>>>> had to get it jumped once because of that feature.
>>>
>>> Wow, what an awful feature. Who would've thought that leaving the
>>> interior
>>> lights on for several hours would kill the battery? I think I found the
>>> problem. Chuck, you are a ****ing idiot. Please keep your Toyota. I
>>> feel
>>> better driving a GM knowing you aren't.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>Leaving the dome light on *SHOULD NOT* prevent the car from starting,
>>unless there was a problem with the battery itself. Since batteries
>>aren't manufactured by carmakers, GM is not to blame.
>
>
> Except GM owns AC Delco and also spec's the battery.

Once again Curmudgeon, you're talking out of your ass again. For starters,
Delphi Corporation (not GM) makes AC Delco, as well some of the EverStart
batteries for Wal-Mart (most likely the 75 series for GM autos).
Technically, it's a separate corporation spun off from GM. GM engineers
would specify which battery to use with their vehicles.

And what do you know, Consumer Reports rated the two EverStart and one
Kirkland batteries as Best Buys in the November 2008 test of auto batteries
(Group 75)! Just because you're stupid enough to leave your light on all
night, don't go blaming the battery.

Derek

Derek Gee wrote:
> "me" <noemail@nothere.com> wrote in message
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>> On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 21:20:16 -0500, "Derek Gee"
>> <dgeeSPAMSUCKS@twmi.INVALID.rr.com> wrote:
>>
>>> The Taurus is performing at
>>> Toyota quality level. Even Consumer Reports has taken notice of the
>>> changes.
>>>
>>> A friend of mine traded-in his unreliable 1998 Toyota Camry for a 2008
>>> Taurus, and he's says it's the best car he's ever owned. It's only one
>>> that
>>> didn't have to go back to the dealer right away to have something fixed!
>> Yes... reuse the model name from a car that has serious electrical
>> issues and trannys that all died at 72K miles. Brilliant marketing
>> move... they're appealing to the "I want a car with a suck reputation"
>> segment.
>
> I've owned three older Sables (1996, 2001, 2005), and not ONE of them had
> any "serious electrical issues". I did have one whose Tranny went around
> 100,000 miles. Of the other two Sables, one tranny's was still going strong
> when I sold it at around 128,000 miles, and the other one is still fine at
> 50,000 miles.
>
> Derek
>
>
I have had five. no trannie failures.

1989 wagon. death by wife (crash)
1990 sedan 3.0L sold running (had smoother shifts than the 93)
1993 sedan 3.0L death by wife again 160K
1993 wagon 3.0L 210k+ attempted death by wife. only corner not
molested is passenger rear.
1997 sedan 3.0L bought as is with bad motor. put 3.0 in and drove it
away. 130K shifts fine. runs a little hot for my tastes but it warms up
fast in the winter.

Yes, i have had my share of motor mounts radiators and starters
alternators and water pumps. but all work i could do.

the secret of early Taurus was staying away from 3.8's. a good
strong motor, but tended to eat head gaskets (no matter what mike
hunt says...) gen3's needed fresh coolant often or they got constipated
and blew head gaskets. Thats what happened to the one i got now, but i
bought it cheap that way and put a used motor in it. Not quite sure
what they did to the latter vulcans because the earlier ones did not
seem to have these issues with brown sludge coolant.

I did see one 90 or so that i junked for parts that had a wire harness
chaffed on the engine block the could have shorted it out. It was junk
by the time i threw a hammer at it.

Taurus have been cheap, dependable cars for the most part.
there cheap to fix (compared to others) and easy to find salvage
parts for.

You don't buy a Taurus for resale value though. You buy it to drive it
to death (which my wife is quite good at )

bob


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