Honda Car Forum

AJL wrote:
> "Truckdude" <sarah@duh.com> wrote:
>
>> Jiffy Lube again?? NBC 4 has busted them in the past for charging for work
>> they did not perform.
>
> My local Sears automotive department (Phoenix AZ) was busted in a
> local TV sting some years back for the doing the same thing. It's
> certainly not limited to Jiffy...

God, no! IIRC the local Honda dealer (Paul Miller Honda) recommended a
transmission flush when I was there getting my bum radio replaced under
warranty. Metro Honda was much worse, giving me the hard sell on a bunch
of crap, including replacing the wiper blades I had done myself the day
before. The service adviser said they tested them and they weren't
wiping properly. The windshield wasn't wet, BTW, when I drove home 5
minutes later. (like they're actually going to take the time to test how
well customers' wipers are wiping!)

In article <gfppom0dl0@news5.newsguy.com>, thardin@newsguy.com
says...
> krw wrote:
> > In article <elmop-E8A571.07260614112008@mara100-84.onlink.net>,
> > elmop@nastydesigns.com says...
> >> In article <t05Tk.6170$Ei5.4907@flpi143.ffdc.sbc.com>,
> >> SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> They're not going broke because they're paying qualified mechanics to
> >>> perform service. They're going broke because people aren't buying new
> >>> cars. People aren't buying new cars because they're worried about their
> >>> jobs and because credit is tight.
> >> read that "...and because they can't get credit anyway".
> >
> > Credit is still easy, unless perhaps you're a deadbeat (though even
> > they seem to still get loans). The dealers have 0% interest deals
> > (and modest rebates). The availability of credit for purchasing
> > cars (or homes) has nothing to do with any problems. Or should I
> > say, any problems haven't hit the personal credit markets.
> >
> > I'm thinking about buying a car but with a new job and house I would
> > rather not take any unnecessary risk with another loan or hitting
> > savings. The manufacturers aren't hungry enough yet to tilt the
> > balance. If they don't get far hungrier, I'll sit it out.
>
> Toyota was recently pushing 0% loans - doesn't get much cheaper than
> that.

Sure it does. They give me $5K and I pay cash (or finance
elsewhere).

> I generally pay cash for a car, but credit was so cheap when I
> bought my Accord in 06/03, I financed with Honda Finance with a 3.64%
> rate. I've consistently made > 10% at Vanguard (except for 2008), so I
> was happy to let Honda carry the paper on my car.

The problem is that it *is* 2008. Finding a (safe) place to stick
money is a problem.

--
Keith

Tony Harding wrote:
> SMS wrote:
>> AJL wrote:
>>> SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Actually in my area there was a big to-do about the dealers wanting
>>>> to hire those type of people for oil changes to avoid paying the
>>>> journeyman union mechanics their normal rate. The mechanics went on
>>>> strike, and the dealers capitulated.
>>>
>>> Unions have been doing that sort of thing for years. Imagine, full
>>> mechanics wages for an oil changer. Too bad. As the dealers are
>>> currently going broke I wonder if they'll go on strike for better
>>> unemployment wages...
>>
>> They're not going broke because they're paying qualified mechanics to
>> perform service. They're going broke because people aren't buying new
>> cars. People aren't buying new cars because they're worried about
>> their jobs and because credit is tight. People are worried about their
>> jobs and credit is tight because of W and his cohorts.
>
> Well, if you want to introduce reality ...

And the new cars and light trucks being way overpriced and looking like
gigantic HotWheels toy cars couldn't have anything to do with it? When I
saw the last few go-rounds of new models come out (especially the
Chrysler products), my first thought was that they invented a time
machine, and brought in a bunch of 10 year old boys from around 1973 to
run their styling department.

--
aem sends...

Mike Hunter wrote:

> If you believe W was really in control shouldn't you be thanking him for the
> $2 gas we have today? LOL

GW Bush should be thanked for causing the recession that reduced
gasoline consumption 5% and caused its price to fall. LOL

Tony Harding <thardin@newsguy.com> wrote in
news:gfpq2h0enk@news5.newsguy.com:

> Tegger wrote:
>> SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote in
>> news:sA2Tk.10490$Ws1.10353@nlpi064.nbdc.sbc.com:
>>
>>> Tegger wrote:
>>>
>>>> Why is Honda in the subject line? Honda very specifically and
>>>> emphatically prohibits any sorts of "flushes" on any systems on their
>>>> cars.
>>> On the TV news segment last night the undercover team used a Honda.
>>> They kept asking the Jiffy Lube employee if the engine flush was
>>> required, and they were told that Honda required it every x miles.
>>>
>>
>>
>> They "kept asking"? That sounds bad. It sounds like what they call a
>> "sting" when the cops do it. Goading the alleged bad guys into doing
>> something worthy of getting strung up by the nuts for.
>
> How's that goading them? They weren't trying to push the Jiffy Lube
> people to perform the flushes when the JL people said they weren't
> needed, which would be entrapment, quite the opposite.



And which is what I originally inferred, based on the OP's phrase "kept
asking". Evidently I inferred incorrectly.

"Kept asking" the same person repeatedly is different from "kept asking"
one person after another at different locations, each one being asked only
once.


--
Tegger

The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/

krw wrote:
> In article <gfppom0dl0@news5.newsguy.com>, thardin@newsguy.com
> says...
>> krw wrote:
>>> In article <elmop-E8A571.07260614112008@mara100-84.onlink.net>,
>>> elmop@nastydesigns.com says...
>>>> In article <t05Tk.6170$Ei5.4907@flpi143.ffdc.sbc.com>,
>>>> SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> They're not going broke because they're paying qualified mechanics to
>>>>> perform service. They're going broke because people aren't buying new
>>>>> cars. People aren't buying new cars because they're worried about their
>>>>> jobs and because credit is tight.
>>>> read that "...and because they can't get credit anyway".
>>> Credit is still easy, unless perhaps you're a deadbeat (though even
>>> they seem to still get loans). The dealers have 0% interest deals
>>> (and modest rebates). The availability of credit for purchasing
>>> cars (or homes) has nothing to do with any problems. Or should I
>>> say, any problems haven't hit the personal credit markets.
>>>
>>> I'm thinking about buying a car but with a new job and house I would
>>> rather not take any unnecessary risk with another loan or hitting
>>> savings. The manufacturers aren't hungry enough yet to tilt the
>>> balance. If they don't get far hungrier, I'll sit it out.
>> Toyota was recently pushing 0% loans - doesn't get much cheaper than
>> that.
>
> Sure it does. They give me $5K and I pay cash (or finance
> elsewhere).
>
>> I generally pay cash for a car, but credit was so cheap when I
>> bought my Accord in 06/03, I financed with Honda Finance with a 3.64%
>> rate. I've consistently made > 10% at Vanguard (except for 2008), so I
>> was happy to let Honda carry the paper on my car.
>
> The problem is that it *is* 2008. Finding a (safe) place to stick
> money is a problem.

True, but I bought my Honda in 2003 - different time.

Re: a safe place for one's money, I heard Peter Schiff (sp?) on the
radio this afternoon recommend dumping all USD based assets (inc. bonds,
CD's, etc., IOW, any USD based asset) and move into foreign currencies
(although he didn't say which ones). YMMV, of course.

Schiff is an interesting guy in that he's been publishing books, widely
ignored, which called the various economic meltdowns we're currently
experiencing.

Tegger wrote:
> Tony Harding <thardin@newsguy.com> wrote in
> news:gfpq2h0enk@news5.newsguy.com:
>
>> Tegger wrote:
>>> SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote in
>>> news:sA2Tk.10490$Ws1.10353@nlpi064.nbdc.sbc.com:
>>>
>>>> Tegger wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Why is Honda in the subject line? Honda very specifically and
>>>>> emphatically prohibits any sorts of "flushes" on any systems on their
>>>>> cars.
>>>> On the TV news segment last night the undercover team used a Honda.
>>>> They kept asking the Jiffy Lube employee if the engine flush was
>>>> required, and they were told that Honda required it every x miles.
>>>>
>>>
>>> They "kept asking"? That sounds bad. It sounds like what they call a
>>> "sting" when the cops do it. Goading the alleged bad guys into doing
>>> something worthy of getting strung up by the nuts for.
>> How's that goading them? They weren't trying to push the Jiffy Lube
>> people to perform the flushes when the JL people said they weren't
>> needed, which would be entrapment, quite the opposite.
>
>
>
> And which is what I originally inferred, based on the OP's phrase "kept
> asking". Evidently I inferred incorrectly.
>
> "Kept asking" the same person repeatedly is different from "kept asking"
> one person after another at different locations, each one being asked only
> once.

True.

Tony Harding <thardin@newsguy.com> wrote:
> krw wrote:
>> In article <gfppom0dl0@news5.newsguy.com>, thardin@newsguy.com
>> says...
>>> krw wrote:
>>>> In article <elmop-E8A571.07260614112008@mara100-84.onlink.net>,
>>>> elmop@nastydesigns.com says...
>>>>> In article <t05Tk.6170$Ei5.4907@flpi143.ffdc.sbc.com>,
>>>>> SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> They're not going broke because they're paying qualified
>>>>>> mechanics to perform service. They're going broke because people
>>>>>> aren't buying new cars. People aren't buying new cars because
>>>>>> they're worried about their jobs and because credit is tight.
>>>>> read that "...and because they can't get credit anyway".
>>>> Credit is still easy, unless perhaps you're a deadbeat (though even
>>>> they seem to still get loans). The dealers have 0% interest deals
>>>> (and modest rebates). The availability of credit for purchasing
>>>> cars (or homes) has nothing to do with any problems. Or should I
>>>> say, any problems haven't hit the personal credit markets.
>>>>
>>>> I'm thinking about buying a car but with a new job and house I
>>>> would rather not take any unnecessary risk with another loan or
>>>> hitting savings. The manufacturers aren't hungry enough yet to
>>>> tilt the balance. If they don't get far hungrier, I'll sit it out.
>>> Toyota was recently pushing 0% loans - doesn't get much cheaper than
>>> that.
>>
>> Sure it does. They give me $5K and I pay cash (or finance
>> elsewhere).
>>
>>> I generally pay cash for a car, but credit was so cheap when I
>>> bought my Accord in 06/03, I financed with Honda Finance with a
>>> 3.64% rate. I've consistently made > 10% at Vanguard (except for
>>> 2008), so I was happy to let Honda carry the paper on my car.
>>
>> The problem is that it *is* 2008. Finding a (safe) place to stick
>> money is a problem.
>
> True, but I bought my Honda in 2003 - different time.
>
> Re: a safe place for one's money, I heard Peter Schiff (sp?) on the
> radio this afternoon recommend dumping all USD based assets (inc.
> bonds, CD's, etc., IOW, any USD based asset) and move into foreign
> currencies (although he didn't say which ones). YMMV, of course.

> Schiff is an interesting guy in that he's been publishing books, widely ignored, which called the various economic
> meltdowns we're currently experiencing.

Like hell they ever did.

Rod Speed wrote:
> Tony Harding <thardin@newsguy.com> wrote:
>> krw wrote:
>>> In article <gfppom0dl0@news5.newsguy.com>, thardin@newsguy.com
>>> says...
>>>> krw wrote:
>>>>> In article <elmop-E8A571.07260614112008@mara100-84.onlink.net>,
>>>>> elmop@nastydesigns.com says...
>>>>>> In article <t05Tk.6170$Ei5.4907@flpi143.ffdc.sbc.com>,
>>>>>> SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> They're not going broke because they're paying qualified
>>>>>>> mechanics to perform service. They're going broke because people
>>>>>>> aren't buying new cars. People aren't buying new cars because
>>>>>>> they're worried about their jobs and because credit is tight.
>>>>>> read that "...and because they can't get credit anyway".
>>>>> Credit is still easy, unless perhaps you're a deadbeat (though even
>>>>> they seem to still get loans). The dealers have 0% interest deals
>>>>> (and modest rebates). The availability of credit for purchasing
>>>>> cars (or homes) has nothing to do with any problems. Or should I
>>>>> say, any problems haven't hit the personal credit markets.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm thinking about buying a car but with a new job and house I
>>>>> would rather not take any unnecessary risk with another loan or
>>>>> hitting savings. The manufacturers aren't hungry enough yet to
>>>>> tilt the balance. If they don't get far hungrier, I'll sit it out.
>>>> Toyota was recently pushing 0% loans - doesn't get much cheaper than
>>>> that.
>>> Sure it does. They give me $5K and I pay cash (or finance
>>> elsewhere).
>>>
>>>> I generally pay cash for a car, but credit was so cheap when I
>>>> bought my Accord in 06/03, I financed with Honda Finance with a
>>>> 3.64% rate. I've consistently made > 10% at Vanguard (except for
>>>> 2008), so I was happy to let Honda carry the paper on my car.
>>> The problem is that it *is* 2008. Finding a (safe) place to stick
>>> money is a problem.
>> True, but I bought my Honda in 2003 - different time.
>>
>> Re: a safe place for one's money, I heard Peter Schiff (sp?) on the
>> radio this afternoon recommend dumping all USD based assets (inc.
>> bonds, CD's, etc., IOW, any USD based asset) and move into foreign
>> currencies (although he didn't say which ones). YMMV, of course.
>
>> Schiff is an interesting guy in that he's been publishing books, widely ignored, which called the various economic
>> meltdowns we're currently experiencing.
>
> Like hell they ever did.

Who's they?

10 seconds with Google proves you're full of crap.

Tony Harding <thardin@newsguy.com> wrote:
> Rod Speed wrote:
>> Tony Harding <thardin@newsguy.com> wrote:
>>> krw wrote:
>>>> In article <gfppom0dl0@news5.newsguy.com>, thardin@newsguy.com
>>>> says...
>>>>> krw wrote:
>>>>>> In article <elmop-E8A571.07260614112008@mara100-84.onlink.net>,
>>>>>> elmop@nastydesigns.com says...
>>>>>>> In article <t05Tk.6170$Ei5.4907@flpi143.ffdc.sbc.com>,
>>>>>>> SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> They're not going broke because they're paying qualified
>>>>>>>> mechanics to perform service. They're going broke because
>>>>>>>> people aren't buying new cars. People aren't buying new cars
>>>>>>>> because they're worried about their jobs and because credit is
>>>>>>>> tight.
>>>>>>> read that "...and because they can't get credit anyway".
>>>>>> Credit is still easy, unless perhaps you're a deadbeat (though
>>>>>> even they seem to still get loans). The dealers have 0%
>>>>>> interest deals (and modest rebates). The availability of credit
>>>>>> for purchasing cars (or homes) has nothing to do with any
>>>>>> problems. Or should I say, any problems haven't hit the personal
>>>>>> credit markets. I'm thinking about buying a car but with a new job and house I
>>>>>> would rather not take any unnecessary risk with another loan or
>>>>>> hitting savings. The manufacturers aren't hungry enough yet to
>>>>>> tilt the balance. If they don't get far hungrier, I'll sit it
>>>>>> out.
>>>>> Toyota was recently pushing 0% loans - doesn't get much cheaper
>>>>> than that.
>>>> Sure it does. They give me $5K and I pay cash (or finance
>>>> elsewhere).
>>>>
>>>>> I generally pay cash for a car, but credit was so cheap when I
>>>>> bought my Accord in 06/03, I financed with Honda Finance with a
>>>>> 3.64% rate. I've consistently made > 10% at Vanguard (except for
>>>>> 2008), so I was happy to let Honda carry the paper on my car.
>>>> The problem is that it *is* 2008. Finding a (safe) place to stick
>>>> money is a problem.
>>> True, but I bought my Honda in 2003 - different time.
>>>
>>> Re: a safe place for one's money, I heard Peter Schiff (sp?) on the
>>> radio this afternoon recommend dumping all USD based assets (inc.
>>> bonds, CD's, etc., IOW, any USD based asset) and move into foreign
>>> currencies (although he didn't say which ones). YMMV, of course.
>>
>>> Schiff is an interesting guy in that he's been publishing books,
>>> widely ignored, which called the various economic meltdowns we're
>>> currently experiencing.
>>
>> Like hell they ever did.

> Who's they?

Schiff's books, stupid.