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#31 (**permalink**) 16 Nov 2008, 11:01 am

Truly Stunned wrote:

> In article
> <a9de702e-a546-4cdf-9a79-45c11c5b54d6@o4g2000pra.googlegroups.com>,
> nm5k@wt.net wrote:
>
>
>>On Nov 13, 4:14 pm, "sanity" <san...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>And what do you do with the waste oil and the used filter?
>>
>>I take it back to autozone and dump it into their used oil tank.
>>The filter I just chunk in the garbage. Drained of course..
>>I've never had anyone change my oil. Ever.
>>As far as cars go, the Corolla is very easy as I don't
>>even have to jack it up. I can reach everything from the
>>front of the car. I let mine drain quite a while also.
>>I'll pull the plug and go watch TV or something for a while.
>>The longer it can drain, the more dirt comes out.
>>Course, it may be a fairly minute difference once you get
>>down to a drip, but I'm usually in no big rush.
>
>
> You might already do this, but after most of the oil has drained, pull
> out the spark plugs (or remove the distributor cap) and turn the engine
> over a coupla-three times. That will move any oil pooled in the engine
> down to the oilpan to drain out. You will be amazed at how much oil is
> left after it looks completely drained. Be sure to have something to
> catch the oil that will flow out of the filter hole too, or it'll be a
> mess.

If you carry the draining process to an extreme, you risk losing oil
pump prime which in turn may negate any gain from the minuscule amount
of additional oil removed.

JT

#32 (**permalink**) 16 Nov 2008, 11:47 am

"Truly Stunned" <violin@thebridgeofsighs.sad> wrote in message
news:violin-4E6095.09163316112008@news.supernews.com...
> In article
> <a9de702e-a546-4cdf-9a79-45c11c5b54d6@o4g2000pra.googlegroups.com>,
> nm5k@wt.net wrote:
>
>> On Nov 13, 4:14 pm, "sanity" <san...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > And what do you do with the waste oil and the used filter?
>>
>> I take it back to autozone and dump it into their used oil tank.
>> The filter I just chunk in the garbage. Drained of course..
>> I've never had anyone change my oil. Ever.
>> As far as cars go, the Corolla is very easy as I don't
>> even have to jack it up. I can reach everything from the
>> front of the car. I let mine drain quite a while also.
>> I'll pull the plug and go watch TV or something for a while.
>> The longer it can drain, the more dirt comes out.
>> Course, it may be a fairly minute difference once you get
>> down to a drip, but I'm usually in no big rush.
>
> You might already do this, but after most of the oil has drained, pull
> out the spark plugs (or remove the distributor cap) and turn the engine
> over a coupla-three times. That will move any oil pooled in the engine
> down to the oilpan to drain out. You will be amazed at how much oil is
> left after it looks completely drained. Be sure to have something to
> catch the oil that will flow out of the filter hole too, or it'll be a
> mess.

And, be sure to remove and drain the cam chain
and cover before you bump the engine.

There's lots of oil there also.

#33 (**permalink**) 16 Nov 2008, 12:29 pm

"Truly Stunned" <violin@thebridgeofsighs.sad> wrote in message
news:violin-4E6095.09163316112008@news.supernews.com...
> In article
> <a9de702e-a546-4cdf-9a79-45c11c5b54d6@o4g2000pra.googlegroups.com>,
> nm5k@wt.net wrote:
>
>> On Nov 13, 4:14 pm, "sanity" <san...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > And what do you do with the waste oil and the used filter?
>>
>> I take it back to autozone and dump it into their used oil tank.
>> The filter I just chunk in the garbage. Drained of course..
>> I've never had anyone change my oil. Ever.
>> As far as cars go, the Corolla is very easy as I don't
>> even have to jack it up. I can reach everything from the
>> front of the car. I let mine drain quite a while also.
>> I'll pull the plug and go watch TV or something for a while.
>> The longer it can drain, the more dirt comes out.
>> Course, it may be a fairly minute difference once you get
>> down to a drip, but I'm usually in no big rush.
>
> You might already do this, but after most of the oil has drained, pull
> out the spark plugs (or remove the distributor cap) and turn the engine
> over a coupla-three times. That will move any oil pooled in the engine
> down to the oilpan to drain out. You will be amazed at how much oil is
> left after it looks completely drained. Be sure to have something to
> catch the oil that will flow out of the filter hole too, or it'll be a
> mess.

If you are changing your oil on a timely basis, doing what you are
describing above is not necessary and may actually cause additional wear on
the engine.
--

Ray O
(correct punctuation to reply)

#34 (**permalink**) 16 Nov 2008, 01:10 pm

"Ray O" <rokigawa@NOSPAMtristarassociates.com> wrote in message
news:gfplhh$q51$2@news.motzarella.org...
>
> "Truly Stunned" <violin@thebridgeofsighs.sad> wrote in message
> news:violin-4E6095.09163316112008@news.supernews.com...
>> In article
>> <a9de702e-a546-4cdf-9a79-45c11c5b54d6@o4g2000pra.googlegroups.com>,
>> nm5k@wt.net wrote:
>>
>>> On Nov 13, 4:14 pm, "sanity" <san...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> >
>>> > And what do you do with the waste oil and the used filter?
>>>
>>> I take it back to autozone and dump it into their used oil tank.
>>> The filter I just chunk in the garbage. Drained of course..
>>> I've never had anyone change my oil. Ever.
>>> As far as cars go, the Corolla is very easy as I don't
>>> even have to jack it up. I can reach everything from the
>>> front of the car. I let mine drain quite a while also.
>>> I'll pull the plug and go watch TV or something for a while.
>>> The longer it can drain, the more dirt comes out.
>>> Course, it may be a fairly minute difference once you get
>>> down to a drip, but I'm usually in no big rush.
>>
>> You might already do this, but after most of the oil has drained, pull
>> out the spark plugs (or remove the distributor cap) and turn the engine
>> over a coupla-three times. That will move any oil pooled in the engine
>> down to the oilpan to drain out. You will be amazed at how much oil is
>> left after it looks completely drained. Be sure to have something to
>> catch the oil that will flow out of the filter hole too, or it'll be a
>> mess.
>
> If you are changing your oil on a timely basis, doing what you are
> describing above is not necessary and may actually cause additional wear
> on the engine.
> --
>
> Ray O
> (correct punctuation to reply)
>

Whew! I am glad it turns out to be of no benefit because I definitely did
not want to go through the hassle!

#35 (**permalink**) 16 Nov 2008, 01:37 pm

Ray O wrote:
> "Truly Stunned" <violin@thebridgeofsighs.sad> wrote in message
> news:violin-4E6095.09163316112008@news.supernews.com...
>> In article
>> <a9de702e-a546-4cdf-9a79-45c11c5b54d6@o4g2000pra.googlegroups.com>,
>> nm5k@wt.net wrote:
>>
>>> On Nov 13, 4:14 pm, "sanity" <san...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> And what do you do with the waste oil and the used filter?
>>> I take it back to autozone and dump it into their used oil tank.
>>> The filter I just chunk in the garbage. Drained of course..
>>> I've never had anyone change my oil. Ever.
>>> As far as cars go, the Corolla is very easy as I don't
>>> even have to jack it up. I can reach everything from the
>>> front of the car. I let mine drain quite a while also.
>>> I'll pull the plug and go watch TV or something for a while.
>>> The longer it can drain, the more dirt comes out.
>>> Course, it may be a fairly minute difference once you get
>>> down to a drip, but I'm usually in no big rush.
>> You might already do this, but after most of the oil has drained, pull
>> out the spark plugs (or remove the distributor cap) and turn the engine
>> over a coupla-three times. That will move any oil pooled in the engine
>> down to the oilpan to drain out. You will be amazed at how much oil is
>> left after it looks completely drained. Be sure to have something to
>> catch the oil that will flow out of the filter hole too, or it'll be a
>> mess.
>
> If you are changing your oil on a timely basis, doing what you are
> describing above is not necessary and may actually cause additional wear on
> the engine.

I'm with you, Ray, I change my oil & filter per; Honda's instructions
and sleep well at night.

#36 (**permalink**) 16 Nov 2008, 01:38 pm

AJL wrote:
> SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
>
>> Actually in my area there was a big to-do about the dealers wanting to
>> hire those type of people for oil changes to avoid paying the journeyman
>> union mechanics their normal rate. The mechanics went on strike, and the
>> dealers capitulated.
>
> Unions have been doing that sort of thing for years. Imagine, full
> mechanics wages for an oil changer. Too bad. As the dealers are
> currently going broke I wonder if they'll go on strike for better
> unemployment wages...

That's the Dept of Tough Shit for the dealers, they knew the risks when
they went into the auto business.

#37 (**permalink**) 16 Nov 2008, 01:39 pm

SMS wrote:
> AJL wrote:
>> SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Actually in my area there was a big to-do about the dealers wanting
>>> to hire those type of people for oil changes to avoid paying the
>>> journeyman union mechanics their normal rate. The mechanics went on
>>> strike, and the dealers capitulated.
>>
>> Unions have been doing that sort of thing for years. Imagine, full
>> mechanics wages for an oil changer. Too bad. As the dealers are
>> currently going broke I wonder if they'll go on strike for better
>> unemployment wages...
>
> They're not going broke because they're paying qualified mechanics to
> perform service. They're going broke because people aren't buying new
> cars. People aren't buying new cars because they're worried about their
> jobs and because credit is tight. People are worried about their jobs
> and credit is tight because of W and his cohorts.

Well, if you want to introduce reality ...

#38 (**permalink**) 16 Nov 2008, 01:41 pm

Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
> In article <t05Tk.6170$Ei5.4907@flpi143.ffdc.sbc.com>,
> SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
>
>> They're not going broke because they're paying qualified mechanics to
>> perform service. They're going broke because people aren't buying new
>> cars. People aren't buying new cars because they're worried about their
>> jobs and because credit is tight.
>
> read that "...and because they can't get credit anyway".

Not so, I still hear ads on the radio (remember radio? <g>), saying 'no
credit? Bad credit? Come on down...". Someone has to cover those bad
loans and it's increasingly us (taxpayers).

#39 (**permalink**) 16 Nov 2008, 01:45 pm

krw wrote:
> In article <elmop-E8A571.07260614112008@mara100-84.onlink.net>,
> elmop@nastydesigns.com says...
>> In article <t05Tk.6170$Ei5.4907@flpi143.ffdc.sbc.com>,
>> SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> They're not going broke because they're paying qualified mechanics to
>>> perform service. They're going broke because people aren't buying new
>>> cars. People aren't buying new cars because they're worried about their
>>> jobs and because credit is tight.
>> read that "...and because they can't get credit anyway".
>
> Credit is still easy, unless perhaps you're a deadbeat (though even
> they seem to still get loans). The dealers have 0% interest deals
> (and modest rebates). The availability of credit for purchasing
> cars (or homes) has nothing to do with any problems. Or should I
> say, any problems haven't hit the personal credit markets.
>
> I'm thinking about buying a car but with a new job and house I would
> rather not take any unnecessary risk with another loan or hitting
> savings. The manufacturers aren't hungry enough yet to tilt the
> balance. If they don't get far hungrier, I'll sit it out.

Toyota was recently pushing 0% loans - doesn't get much cheaper than
that. I generally pay cash for a car, but credit was so cheap when I
bought my Accord in 06/03, I financed with Honda Finance with a 3.64%
rate. I've consistently made > 10% at Vanguard (except for 2008), so I
was happy to let Honda carry the paper on my car.

#40 (**permalink**) 16 Nov 2008, 01:50 pm

Tegger wrote:
> SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote in
> news:sA2Tk.10490$Ws1.10353@nlpi064.nbdc.sbc.com:
>
>> Tegger wrote:
>>
>>> Why is Honda in the subject line? Honda very specifically and
>>> emphatically prohibits any sorts of "flushes" on any systems on their
>>> cars.
>> On the TV news segment last night the undercover team used a Honda.
>> They kept asking the Jiffy Lube employee if the engine flush was
>> required, and they were told that Honda required it every x miles.
>>
>
>
> They "kept asking"? That sounds bad. It sounds like what they call a
> "sting" when the cops do it. Goading the alleged bad guys into doing
> something worthy of getting strung up by the nuts for.

How's that goading them? They weren't trying to push the Jiffy Lube
people to perform the flushes when the JL people said they weren't
needed, which would be entrapment, quite the opposite. Most people know
little of what's actually required for their cars (computers, too, for
that matter) and they like to think the JL people won't lie to their
faces and claim something's required when it's specifically prohibited
by the manufacturer.

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