Honda Car Forum

On Mon, 12 May 2008 07:06:29 -0400, "Elmo P. Shagnasty"
<elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote:


>The last sentence says that maybe they did it differently with the 03
>Accord (but I seriously doubt it). But the rest of it is the same as
>they've always said. In other words, we're not going to put into any
>customer documentation how to do this procedure.
>
>In a Honda system, you don't "reprogram the transmitters". I think
>you're seeing sloppy documentation. Worst case, they're talking about
>clearing the car's computer of all transmitter codes, and doing the
>dance again for the keys you do have. This would "lock out" the lost
>key, right?

Technically you would be correct in that the transmitters themselves
are not reprogrammed, only the car's receiver is learning the codes
from the three transmitters. When they say, "programmed transmitters"
I'm sure they mean transmitters that have been programmed into the
receiver.

Now that I have the actual procedure for the 2003 Accord, I can see
why all transmitters have to be "reprogrammed." Entering the
programming mode cancels all learned transmitter codes, so none of the
previously programmed transmitters will work. You must reprogram all
of the transmitters once you are in the programming mode. I'm quoting
from the Honda Service Bulletin. Also, there is a limit of three
transmitters because the transmitter codes are stored in a
stacking-type memory. If a fourth transmitter code is programmed,
the code for the first transmitter is erased.

My last problem was cockpit error. When I followed the programming
procedure, when it said to turn on the ignition, I was only turning
the key to I and not II. Once I realized what I was doing wrong, all
three transmitters were able to submit their code to the receiver. I
now have three mated keys.

Thanks for pointing out the fact that the codes can be owner
programmed. I don't know if the $42 the dealer charged for mating the
new key to the ignition was too much or not, but it's water under the
bridge now. I'm happy.
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In article <1o5h245thd4pjg6m5o0vb0kfr0ccah4rhs@4ax.com>,
Dick <w6ccd@k7yca.org> wrote:
>Thanks for pointing out the fact that the codes can be owner
>programmed. I don't know if the $42 the dealer charged for mating the
>new key to the ignition was too much or not, but it's water under the
>bridge now. I'm happy.

For some Honda vehicles (like the 2005 Pilot I have), you can program the
remote door lock/unlock buttons yourself, but if you want to be able to start
the vehicle, you need the Honda equipment to program the car computer to
accept the key's chip.

I had to get another key for my Pilot because my wife lost hers, and it cost
me $150 to get a new key and have the Pilot reprogrammed for it. I checked
3 or 4 dealers in my area, and they all charged the same for doing that.
If I remember correctly, the key was $50, the programming was $90, plus tax.


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On 12 May 2008 20:37:07 GMT, iglesias@draco.nac.uci.edu (Mike
Iglesias) wrote:

>In article <1o5h245thd4pjg6m5o0vb0kfr0ccah4rhs@4ax.com>,
>Dick <w6ccd@k7yca.org> wrote:
>>Thanks for pointing out the fact that the codes can be owner
>>programmed. I don't know if the $42 the dealer charged for mating the
>>new key to the ignition was too much or not, but it's water under the
>>bridge now. I'm happy.
>
>For some Honda vehicles (like the 2005 Pilot I have), you can program the
>remote door lock/unlock buttons yourself, but if you want to be able to start
>the vehicle, you need the Honda equipment to program the car computer to
>accept the key's chip.
>
>I had to get another key for my Pilot because my wife lost hers, and it cost
>me $150 to get a new key and have the Pilot reprogrammed for it. I checked
>3 or 4 dealers in my area, and they all charged the same for doing that.
>If I remember correctly, the key was $50, the programming was $90, plus tax.

In my case, the dealer charged me $57.62 for the new key, and $42
labor to match it to the car (plus tax.) Then she found the key. :-)
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In article <o7fh245q7cf6vsd8q67akujk4v5a6dcqfg@4ax.com>,
Dick <w6ccd@k7yca.org> wrote:
>In my case, the dealer charged me $57.62 for the new key, and $42
>labor to match it to the car (plus tax.) Then she found the key. :-)

Well of course she found it after you got the new key! My wife hasn't found
hers though...


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"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote in message news:elmop-49AEBE.15262511052008@nntp9.usenetserver.com...
> In article <n1ce24tsk2htoi1355tgms7sd153efc87f@4ax.com>,
> Dick <w6ccd@k7yca.org> wrote:
>
>> We lost one of the keys to our 2003 Accord EX-V6 last year. As a
>> result we had to go to the Honda dealer, and pay $100 for a new key,
>> and re-programming of all the keys. This is supposed to be a security
>> safeguard. Today, we found the long lost key. Just for my amusement,
>> I tried the key in the Accord to see what would happen. To my
>> surprise (and chagrin) The key would not only unlock the doors
>> (manually), but also start the engine! The only thing that was
>> disabled was the remote control. What was the point of paying all
>> that money if the key would still work to steal the car?
>
> The $100 got you a new key with the ignition security code copied over
> from your remaining factory key, and the service guys added that new
> key's remote transmitter to your car's remote unlock system. (In a
> Honda, for remote lock/unlock you program the car's computer to
> recognize the remote transmitter code; it can keep track of up to 4
> remote transmitters that way.)

According to the Service Bulletin 98-011, February 20 2004, Page 9:
http://driveaccord.net/PDF/remote%20...m%2098-011.pdf
"The system accepts up to *three* transmitters. The
transmitter codes are stored in a stacking-type
memory. If a fourth transmitter code is programmed,
the code for the first transmitter is erased."

> The charges break down like this:
>
> * $X for the key itself
> * $Y to copy your existing key's ignition security code over to the new
> key
> * $Z to have your remote unlock system recognize the transmitter code on
> the new key
>
> They did NOT reprogram your car's computer (and keys) with a new
> ignition security code. That gets to be very expensive.

Are you 100% sure the original honda keys have "writable" chip for
the ignition security system? I am not sure, but I have read
somewhere, that the rf-id chips in honda keys are "read-only" type,
so you need to teach the car to recognize new key...
Only aftermarket, non-honda keys have this chip writable for the purpose
of the store/locksmith being able to copy chip without messing with the car.

> For the record: you can buy an appropriate remote transmitter off of
> Ebay or keylessride.com and program it to your remote unlock system
> yourself. But you asked them to do it, so they charged you $Z for that.

I went to keylessride.com and looked up 2004 accord key+remote
for my car. They have "combo" key for about $42 but they send
you to the dealer for cutting the key AND FOR TRANSPONDER CHIP
PROGRAMMING, which apparently you cannot do yourself...
They will send you programming instructions for the remote unlock
transmitter (probably an text taken from the bulletin above) but with
the ignition transponder (also called rf-id chip or immobiliser tag)
ou are out of luck and on the mercy of your dealer...

> Back in 2002 when I bought a new Honda van, I wanted a couple more keys
> made. It was $25 each for the key, cutting it, and copying the ignition
> security code over. Nowadays it's probably $50, and another $50 for the
> 10 second dance of mating up the transmitter to the remote unlock system.

So at keylessride.com you pay $42 for the blank key $6 for shipping
and after paying $50 to the dealer for cutting this blank and
putting the new immobilizer tag into your car memory you are parted
with your $100. Where is the deal here?