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I almost fell out of my chair when my dealer told me that new rotors and pads
would cost $470 total. Is this about right? He said the "front end" has to be
removed so it's mostly a labor issue. Thanks for any advice.

Bluzeguitar@verizon.net (Armand) wrote in
news:Mt1Tj.288$JF1.245@trndny06:

> I almost fell out of my chair when my dealer told me that new rotors
> and pads would cost $470 total. Is this about right? He said the
> "front end" has to be removed so it's mostly a labor issue. Thanks
> for any advice.
>
>



That's correct. The steering knuckle has to be removed from the car and the
hub pressed off before the rotor can be removed.

Honda changed the design for the '98 model year to make rotors easier to
remove. You still have the old, bad design.

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Tegger

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www.tegger.com/hondafaq/

Thanks Tegger. My service guy is usually straight up with me and I guess I
have to expect expenditures like this for a 13 year old car.


In article <Xns9A945A2E0DF08tegger@207.14.116.130>, tegger@tegger.c0m
says...
>
>Bluzeguitar@verizon.net (Armand) wrote in
>news:Mt1Tj.288$JF1.245@trndny06:
>
>> I almost fell out of my chair when my dealer told me that new rotors
>> and pads would cost $470 total. Is this about right? He said the
>> "front end" has to be removed so it's mostly a labor issue. Thanks
>> for any advice.
>>
>>
>
>
>
>That's correct. The steering knuckle has to be removed from the car and the
>hub pressed off before the rotor can be removed.
>
>Honda changed the design for the '98 model year to make rotors easier to
>remove. You still have the old, bad design.
>
>--
>Tegger
>
>The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
>www.tegger.com/hondafaq/

Armand wrote:
> Thanks Tegger. My service guy is usually straight up with me and I guess I
> have to expect expenditures like this for a 13 year old car.
>
>
> In article <Xns9A945A2E0DF08tegger@207.14.116.130>, tegger@tegger.c0m
> says...
>> Bluzeguitar@verizon.net (Armand) wrote in
>> news:Mt1Tj.288$JF1.245@trndny06:
>>
>>> I almost fell out of my chair when my dealer told me that new rotors
>>> and pads would cost $470 total. Is this about right? He said the
>>> "front end" has to be removed so it's mostly a labor issue. Thanks
>>> for any advice.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> That's correct. The steering knuckle has to be removed from the car and the
>> hub pressed off before the rotor can be removed.
>>
>> Honda changed the design for the '98 model year to make rotors easier to
>> remove. You still have the old, bad design.
>>
>> --
>> Tegger
>>
>> The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
>> www.tegger.com/hondafaq/
>


but the real question is why you think you need the rotors replacing in
the first place. what are the symptoms you're experiencing?

jim beam <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote in
news:WOednaYjBc1yR4DVnZ2dnUVZ_gSdnZ2d@speakeasy.ne t:

> Armand wrote:
>>
>> In article <Xns9A945A2E0DF08tegger@207.14.116.130>, tegger@tegger.c0m
>> says...
>>> Bluzeguitar@verizon.net (Armand) wrote in
>>> news:Mt1Tj.288$JF1.245@trndny06:
>>>
>>>> I almost fell out of my chair when my dealer told me that new
>>>> rotors and pads would cost $470 total. Is this about right? He
>>>> said the "front end" has to be removed so it's mostly a labor
>>>> issue. Thanks for any advice.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> That's correct. The steering knuckle has to be removed from the car
>>> and the hub pressed off before the rotor can be removed.
>>>
>>> Honda changed the design for the '98 model year to make rotors
>>> easier to remove. You still have the old, bad design.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks Tegger. My service guy is usually straight up with me and I
>> guess I have to expect expenditures like this for a 13 year old car.
>>
>
>
>
> but the real question is why you think you need the rotors replacing
> in the first place. what are the symptoms you're experiencing?




Armand appears to be in Noo Joisey. Rust is probably a factor, along
with thickness under minimum limits.





--
Tegger

The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/

In article <WOednaYjBc1yR4DVnZ2dnUVZ_gSdnZ2d@speakeasy.net> ,
spamvortex@bad.example.net says...
>
>Armand wrote:
>> Thanks Tegger. My service guy is usually straight up with me and I guess
I
>> have to expect expenditures like this for a 13 year old car.
>>
>>
>> In article <Xns9A945A2E0DF08tegger@207.14.116.130>,
tegger@tegger.c0m
>> says...
>>> Bluzeguitar@verizon.net (Armand) wrote in
>>> news:Mt1Tj.288$JF1.245@trndny06:
>>>
>>>> I almost fell out of my chair when my dealer told me that new rotors
>>>> and pads would cost $470 total. Is this about right? He said the
>>>> "front end" has to be removed so it's mostly a labor issue. Thanks
>>>> for any advice.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> That's correct. The steering knuckle has to be removed from the car and
the
>>> hub pressed off before the rotor can be removed.
>>>
>>> Honda changed the design for the '98 model year to make rotors easier
to
>>> remove. You still have the old, bad design.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Tegger
>>>
>>> The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
>>> www.tegger.com/hondafaq/
>>
>
>
>but the real question is why you think you need the rotors replacing in
>the first place. what are the symptoms you're experiencing?


Heavy pulsing of the brake pedal and the rotors were already cut twice.

Bluzeguitar@verizon.net (Armand) wrote in
news:vpBTj.5064$ch1.2848@trndny09:

> In article <WOednaYjBc1yR4DVnZ2dnUVZ_gSdnZ2d@speakeasy.net> ,
> spamvortex@bad.example.net says...
>>
>>Armand wrote:
>>> Thanks Tegger. My service guy is usually straight up with me and I
>>> guess
> I
>>> have to expect expenditures like this for a 13 year old car.
>>>
>>>
>>> In article <Xns9A945A2E0DF08tegger@207.14.116.130>,
> tegger@tegger.c0m
>>> says...
>>>> Bluzeguitar@verizon.net (Armand) wrote in
>>>> news:Mt1Tj.288$JF1.245@trndny06:
>>>>
>>>>> I almost fell out of my chair when my dealer told me that new
>>>>> rotors and pads would cost $470 total. Is this about right? He
>>>>> said the "front end" has to be removed so it's mostly a labor
>>>>> issue. Thanks for any advice.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> That's correct. The steering knuckle has to be removed from the car
>>>> and the hub pressed off before the rotor can be removed.
>>>>
>>>> Honda changed the design for the '98 model year to make rotors
>>>> easier to remove. You still have the old, bad design.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>but the real question is why you think you need the rotors replacing
>>in the first place. what are the symptoms you're experiencing?
>
>
> Heavy pulsing of the brake pedal and the rotors were already cut
> twice.
>



Has your mechanic checked rotor runout with a runout gauge? Considering
the cost of replacement, it would be worth making certain the rotors are
in fact out-of-true before committing to the work.


--
Tegger

The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/

Armand wrote:
> In article <WOednaYjBc1yR4DVnZ2dnUVZ_gSdnZ2d@speakeasy.net> ,
> spamvortex@bad.example.net says...
>> Armand wrote:
>>> Thanks Tegger. My service guy is usually straight up with me and I guess
> I
>>> have to expect expenditures like this for a 13 year old car.
>>>
>>>
>>> In article <Xns9A945A2E0DF08tegger@207.14.116.130>,
> tegger@tegger.c0m
>>> says...
>>>> Bluzeguitar@verizon.net (Armand) wrote in
>>>> news:Mt1Tj.288$JF1.245@trndny06:
>>>>
>>>>> I almost fell out of my chair when my dealer told me that new rotors
>>>>> and pads would cost $470 total. Is this about right? He said the
>>>>> "front end" has to be removed so it's mostly a labor issue. Thanks
>>>>> for any advice.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> That's correct. The steering knuckle has to be removed from the car and
> the
>>>> hub pressed off before the rotor can be removed.
>>>>
>>>> Honda changed the design for the '98 model year to make rotors easier
> to
>>>> remove. You still have the old, bad design.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Tegger
>>>>
>>>> The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
>>>> www.tegger.com/hondafaq/
>>
>> but the real question is why you think you need the rotors replacing in
>> the first place. what are the symptoms you're experiencing?
>
>
> Heavy pulsing of the brake pedal and the rotors were already cut twice.
>

typically, this is solvable by cleaning the wheel interface, disk and
wheel, then smearing a little anti-seize. re-torquing the lug nuts is
critical too. needs to be in the correct sequence, with a torque
wrench, in a 2 or more step process. it's very common for shops to use
air tools when tightening and what you're experiencing is the result.

last thing - try the above and see if it works. if not, go ahead and
get the rotors replaced. in my experience, once a disk is cut, the
problem becomes much less soluble.

jim beam5/5/08 8:53uIWdnWL99qDUnoLVnZ2dnUVZ_g-dnZ2d@speakeasy.net

> Armand wrote:
>> In article <WOednaYjBc1yR4DVnZ2dnUVZ_gSdnZ2d@speakeasy.net> ,
>> spamvortex@bad.example.net says...
>>> Armand wrote:
>>>> Thanks Tegger. My service guy is usually straight up with me and I guess
>> I
>>>> have to expect expenditures like this for a 13 year old car.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> In article <Xns9A945A2E0DF08tegger@207.14.116.130>,
>> tegger@tegger.c0m
>>>> says...
>>>>> Bluzeguitar@verizon.net (Armand) wrote in
>>>>> news:Mt1Tj.288$JF1.245@trndny06:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I almost fell out of my chair when my dealer told me that new rotors
>>>>>> and pads would cost $470 total. Is this about right? He said the
>>>>>> "front end" has to be removed so it's mostly a labor issue. Thanks
>>>>>> for any advice.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> That's correct. The steering knuckle has to be removed from the car and
>> the
>>>>> hub pressed off before the rotor can be removed.
>>>>>
>>>>> Honda changed the design for the '98 model year to make rotors easier
>> to
>>>>> remove. You still have the old, bad design.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Tegger
>>>>>
>>>>> The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
>>>>> www.tegger.com/hondafaq/
>>>
>>> but the real question is why you think you need the rotors replacing in
>>> the first place. what are the symptoms you're experiencing?
>>
>>
>> Heavy pulsing of the brake pedal and the rotors were already cut twice.
>>
>
> typically, this is solvable by cleaning the wheel interface, disk and
> wheel, then smearing a little anti-seize. re-torquing the lug nuts is
> critical too. needs to be in the correct sequence, with a torque
> wrench, in a 2 or more step process. it's very common for shops to use
> air tools when tightening and what you're experiencing is the result.
>
> last thing - try the above and see if it works. if not, go ahead and
> get the rotors replaced. in my experience, once a disk is cut, the
> problem becomes much less soluble.
>
Excess heat especially when combined with uneven lug nut torque can cause
problems. Every source of heat build up needs to be checked and eliminated
before the rotors are replaced or it will happen again. Hoses can develop
broken inner linings that act as check valves and do not release applied
pressure much like the check valves in our veins. Frozen slide "ways" on the
calipers or frozen slide pins will cause brake drag. Pushrod adjustment is a
another source of dragging brakes and thus excess heat. There have been
several really good posts on this topic lately with detailed descriptions on
how to isolate the problem. Check this group and alt.autos.honda.

Another source of heat that is often overlooked because it is not obvious is
pad composition. When I worked at a Ford (ugh!) garage as a service manager,
there was a problem with Torino station wagons where the composition of the
brake pad material allowed transfer of friction material to the surface of
the rotor and so you ended up with two high friction surfaces instead of one
and brake application generated twice as much heat. Not until the pads were
replaced with a new updated pad material and the rotors cleaned of old
residue and trued up did the problem of warped rotors disappear. If the pads
you are using are aftermarket, then ditch them. Ask the dealer if there is
Tech bulletin or service news item on this problem and go from there. If the
pads have an updated part number use those instead of the old number.
--
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