Honda Car Forum

Jeff wrote:
> jim beam wrote:

<snip>

>>> how much tax do the big three pay here vs. the japanese?
>>
>> and how many americans do they employ?
>
> The Japanese subsidies of Toyota and Honda pay corporate income tax to
> states and the federal gov't as well as local property and other taxes.
> How much in taxes they pay is not known. Neither the auto companies nor
> the government bodies release the tax information.
>
> You're welcome to search the internet or the even the Toyota and Honda
> websites to find out how many people they employ.

If you're interested, I'd start with the Investor Relations site for the
various companies.

<bbb87af8-e1fe-4b8c-8435-4c0ed51f6315@u10g2000prn.googlegroups.com>,
buydomestic@usa.com wrote:

> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23124844/
>
> GM just made it known that they lost 39 billion in 2007, the largest
> ever annual loss for a US automaker.
>
> The big three are losing money, and if we don't give them the support
> they need, they are going to go under.

Isn't that what free enterprise/capitalism is all about, i.e, buyers
switch to another company's products is supposed to spur the company
losing business to improve its products, pricing, etc.? Sounds as though
you want us to reward the Detroit execs for decades of short sighted
greed - count me out.

<buydomestic@usa.com> wrote in message
news:bbb87af8-e1fe-4b8c-8435-4c0ed51f6315@u10g2000prn.googlegroups.com...
> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23124844/
>
> GM just made it known that they lost 39 billion in 2007, the largest
> ever annual loss for a US automaker.
>
> The big three are losing money, and if we don't give them the support
> they need, they are going to go under. Consider buying an American
> car.
>

American cars are crap. Made by unionists more worried about when their
next coffee break is than making quality cars. They've negotiated themselves
right out of jobs as the big auto makers cut back. It's not possible to do
business
that way and compete on a world wide economy.

A couple years ago I bought a Nissan truck with 92,000 miles on it and
didn't bat an eye. I wouldn't even think of owning an American made
car with over 60,000 miles on it. They fall apart.

When American auto makers start turning out a quality product at
a competitive price I'll take a look at them.

t

On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 13:41:31 GMT, Jeff <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>buydomestic@usa.com wrote:
>> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23124844/
>>
>> GM just made it known that they lost 39 billion in 2007, the largest
>> ever annual loss for a US automaker.
>>
>> The big three are losing money, and if we don't give them the support
>> they need, they are going to go under. Consider buying an American
>> car.
>>

Snipped

>What about Toyotas and Hondas made in America?
>
>What the Ford Fusion, made in Mexico?
>
>Shouldn't the Michigan 3 make their vehicles relevant to me rather than
>the other way around?
>
>Jeff

You are right Jeff. There are no American Car companies anymore. The
only difference between "American" and "Japanese" companies is where
they are incorporated. American cars are assembled in the USA, Mexico
or Canada with parts made all over the world. The same holds true
with Toyota and Honda.

Jack

In article
<bbb87af8-e1fe-4b8c-8435-4c0ed51f6315@u10g2000prn.googlegroups.com>,
buydomestic@usa.com wrote:

> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23124844/
>
> GM just made it known that they lost 39 billion in 2007, the largest
> ever annual loss for a US automaker.
>
> The big three are losing money, and if we don't give them the support
> they need, they are going to go under. Consider buying an American
> car.
>
> Here are some American models recommended in the 2007 Consumer Reports
> Annual Auto Issue:
>
> Buick Lacrosse
> Buick Lucerne
> Cadillac CTS
> Cadillac CTS-V
> Cadillac DTS
> Chevrolet HHR
> Chevrolet Impala
> Chevrolet Malibu
> Chevrolet Tahoe
> Chrysler 300
> Chrysler PT Cruiser
> Dodge Durango
> Ford Five Hundred
> Ford Focus
> Ford Freestyle
> Ford Fusion
> GMC Yukon
> Jeep Liberty
> Lincoln MKZ
> Lincoln Town Car
> Mercury Milan
> Mercury Montego
> Pontiac G6
> Pontiac Torrent

You left out Toyota
--


"We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good."

Hillary Clinton

"Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:fmhsj.6463$Wr4.5418@trnddc05...
> buydomestic@usa.com wrote:
>> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23124844/
>>
>> GM just made it known that they lost 39 billion in 2007, the largest
>> ever annual loss for a US automaker.
>>
>> The big three are losing money, and if we don't give them the support
>> they need, they are going to go under. Consider buying an American
>> car.
>>
>> Here are some American models recommended in the 2007 Consumer Reports
>> Annual Auto Issue:
>>
>> Buick Lacrosse
>> Buick Lucerne
>> Cadillac CTS
>> Cadillac CTS-V
>> Cadillac DTS
>> Chevrolet HHR
>> Chevrolet Impala
>> Chevrolet Malibu
>> Chevrolet Tahoe
>> Chrysler 300
>> Chrysler PT Cruiser
>> Dodge Durango
>> Ford Five Hundred
>> Ford Focus
>> Ford Freestyle
>> Ford Fusion
>> GMC Yukon
>> Jeep Liberty
>> Lincoln MKZ
>> Lincoln Town Car
>> Mercury Milan
>> Mercury Montego
>> Pontiac G6
>> Pontiac Torrent
>
> What about Toyotas and Hondas made in America?
>
> What the Ford Fusion, made in Mexico?
>
> Shouldn't the Michigan 3 make their vehicles relevant to me rather than
> the other way around?
>
> Jeff

Where do the profits go? The profits for Japanese manufacturers, no matter
where the car is built, go to Japan. It sucks revenue out of our economy.

BaJoRi wrote:
>
> "Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:fmhsj.6463$Wr4.5418@trnddc05...
>> buydomestic@usa.com wrote:
>>> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23124844/
>>>
>>> GM just made it known that they lost 39 billion in 2007, the largest
>>> ever annual loss for a US automaker.
>>>
>>> The big three are losing money, and if we don't give them the support
>>> they need, they are going to go under. Consider buying an American
>>> car.
>>>
>>> Here are some American models recommended in the 2007 Consumer Reports
>>> Annual Auto Issue:
>>>
>>> Buick Lacrosse
>>> Buick Lucerne
>>> Cadillac CTS
>>> Cadillac CTS-V
>>> Cadillac DTS
>>> Chevrolet HHR
>>> Chevrolet Impala
>>> Chevrolet Malibu
>>> Chevrolet Tahoe
>>> Chrysler 300
>>> Chrysler PT Cruiser
>>> Dodge Durango
>>> Ford Five Hundred
>>> Ford Focus
>>> Ford Freestyle
>>> Ford Fusion
>>> GMC Yukon
>>> Jeep Liberty
>>> Lincoln MKZ
>>> Lincoln Town Car
>>> Mercury Milan
>>> Mercury Montego
>>> Pontiac G6
>>> Pontiac Torrent
>>
>> What about Toyotas and Hondas made in America?
>>
>> What the Ford Fusion, made in Mexico?
>>
>> Shouldn't the Michigan 3 make their vehicles relevant to me rather
>> than the other way around?
>>
>> Jeff
>
> Where do the profits go? The profits for Japanese manufacturers, no
> matter where the car is built, go to Japan. It sucks revenue out of our
> economy.

The profits from the American subsidies of Honda and Toyota are taxed
the same way American companies are taxed, because, legally, they are
American companies.

Jeff

On Feb 12, 11:21 am, "BaJoRi" <bajori1...@aol.com> wrote:
> "Jeff" <kidsdoc2...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:fmhsj.6463$Wr4.5418@trnddc05...
>
>
>
> > buydomes...@usa.com wrote:
> >>http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23124844/
>
> >> GM just made it known that they lost 39 billion in 2007, the largest
> >> ever annual loss for a US automaker.
>
> >> The big three are losing money, and if we don't give them the support
> >> they need, they are going to go under. Consider buying an American
> >> car.
>
> >> Here are some American models recommended in the 2007 Consumer Reports
> >> Annual Auto Issue:
>
> >> Buick Lacrosse
> >> Buick Lucerne
> >> Cadillac CTS
> >> Cadillac CTS-V
> >> Cadillac DTS
> >> Chevrolet HHR
> >> Chevrolet Impala
> >> Chevrolet Malibu
> >> Chevrolet Tahoe
> >> Chrysler 300
> >> Chrysler PT Cruiser
> >> Dodge Durango
> >> Ford Five Hundred
> >> Ford Focus
> >> Ford Freestyle
> >> Ford Fusion
> >> GMC Yukon
> >> Jeep Liberty
> >> Lincoln MKZ
> >> Lincoln Town Car
> >> Mercury Milan
> >> Mercury Montego
> >> Pontiac G6
> >> Pontiac Torrent
>
> > What about Toyotas and Hondas made in America?
>
> > What the Ford Fusion, made in Mexico?
>
> > Shouldn't the Michigan 3 make their vehicles relevant to me rather than
> > the other way around?
>
> > Jeff
>
> Where do the profits go? The profits for Japanese manufacturers, no matter
> where the car is built, go to Japan. It sucks revenue out of our economy.

And of course the Japanese (and Chinese) are financing our national
debt (like paying for the Iraqi adventure) by investing their profits
in federal paper.
It all goes around....

tater wrote:
> <buydomestic@usa.com> wrote in message
> news:bbb87af8-e1fe-4b8c-8435-4c0ed51f6315@u10g2000prn.googlegroups.com...
>> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23124844/
>>
>> GM just made it known that they lost 39 billion in 2007, the largest
>> ever annual loss for a US automaker.
>>
>> The big three are losing money, and if we don't give them the support
>> they need, they are going to go under. Consider buying an American
>> car.
>>
>
> American cars are crap. Made by unionists more worried about when their
> next coffee break is than making quality cars. They've negotiated themselves
> right out of jobs as the big auto makers cut back. It's not possible to do
> business that way and compete on a world wide economy.

It's hardly the workers' fault - Honda & Toyota employ American workers
and turn out quality vehicles. This is a management failing.

BaJoRi wrote:
>
> "Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:fmhsj.6463$Wr4.5418@trnddc05...
>> buydomestic@usa.com wrote:
>>> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23124844/
>>>
>>> GM just made it known that they lost 39 billion in 2007, the largest
>>> ever annual loss for a US automaker.
>>>
>>> The big three are losing money, and if we don't give them the support
>>> they need, they are going to go under. Consider buying an American
>>> car.
>>>
>>> Here are some American models recommended in the 2007 Consumer Reports
>>> Annual Auto Issue:
>>>
>>> Buick Lacrosse
>>> Buick Lucerne
>>> Cadillac CTS
>>> Cadillac CTS-V
>>> Cadillac DTS
>>> Chevrolet HHR
>>> Chevrolet Impala
>>> Chevrolet Malibu
>>> Chevrolet Tahoe
>>> Chrysler 300
>>> Chrysler PT Cruiser
>>> Dodge Durango
>>> Ford Five Hundred
>>> Ford Focus
>>> Ford Freestyle
>>> Ford Fusion
>>> GMC Yukon
>>> Jeep Liberty
>>> Lincoln MKZ
>>> Lincoln Town Car
>>> Mercury Milan
>>> Mercury Montego
>>> Pontiac G6
>>> Pontiac Torrent
>>
>> What about Toyotas and Hondas made in America?
>>
>> What the Ford Fusion, made in Mexico?
>>
>> Shouldn't the Michigan 3 make their vehicles relevant to me rather
>> than the other way around?
>>
>> Jeff
>
> Where do the profits go? The profits for Japanese manufacturers, no
> matter where the car is built, go to Japan. It sucks revenue out of our
> economy.

Consumers are voting with their dollars, Detroit needs to change the way
it does business or die.