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Hi, I recently bought a new 2008 Honda Civic Sedan EX after my older
model (2005) was totalled during a car accident. I'm still getting
used to the new car but so far so good. One big big change with the
new car is what appears to be the absence of a maintenance schedule.
I'm used to going to the service at 5000 miles intervals and following
the owner's manual as to when to service my car. Now with all the new
features in the 2008 model like maintenance reminders etc, and the
absence of a schedule maintenance in the owner's manual, is there no
point to following your standard 5000 miles scheduled maintenance to,
say, get your oil change etc or your typical 10,000-interval mile
service to a shop (like tire rotation, brake fluid check, etc)?

In article
<74b09b16-d360-44d8-b5b7-8cdaf51ac8f0@n20g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>,
Avalon1178 <Avalon1178@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi, I recently bought a new 2008 Honda Civic Sedan EX after my older
> model (2005) was totalled during a car accident. I'm still getting
> used to the new car but so far so good. One big big change with the
> new car is what appears to be the absence of a maintenance schedule.

No, there's a maintenance schedule. Read your owner's manual.



> Now with all the new
> features in the 2008 model like maintenance reminders etc, and the
> absence of a schedule maintenance in the owner's manual, is there no
> point to following your standard 5000 miles scheduled maintenance to,
> say, get your oil change etc or your typical 10,000-interval mile
> service to a shop (like tire rotation, brake fluid check, etc)?

Read your owner's manual. It spells things out quite clearly.

On Feb 2, 2:29*pm, "Elmo P. Shagnasty" <el...@nastydesigns.com> wrote:
> In article
> <74b09b16-d360-44d8-b5b7-8cdaf51ac...@n20g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>,
>
> *Avalon1178 <Avalon1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hi, I recently bought a new 2008 Honda Civic Sedan EX after my older
> > model (2005) was totalled during a car accident. *I'm still getting
> > used to the new car but so far so good. *One big big change with the
> > new car is what appears to be the absence of a maintenance schedule.
>
> No, there's a maintenance schedule. *Read your owner's manual.

The only "schedule" I see in my manual is the one mentioned in pages
228-229 of the 2008 Hondai Civic Sedan, but this is exactly what I"m
talking about, its not a "schedule" like you said but more of a
"minder" which I posted originally. In my old 2005 manual, it spells
it out such that at every 5000 mi, you change the oil, at 10000 mi you
change oil + other stuff, at 30000 mi interval you do major service
etc (located at the middle of the page). What "manual" are you
talking about?

>
> > Now with all the new
> > features in the 2008 model like maintenance reminders etc, and the
> > absence of a schedule maintenance in the owner's manual, is there no
> > point to following your standard 5000 miles scheduled maintenance to,
> > say, get your oil change etc or your typical 10,000-interval mile
> > service to a shop (like tire rotation, brake fluid check, etc)?
>
> Read your owner's manual. *It spells things out quite clearly.

See my reply above. Show me what page where "it spells things out
quite clearly". For example, I've always replaced my engine oil at
every 5000 mi, but the 2008 civic you basically have to rely on the
reminder whether your oil is 15% or 10% etc. It doesn't say in the
manual the recommended time to replace the oil (i.e. every 6 months or
every 5000 mi). What happens if the dealer forgets to reset the
reminder or, worse, malfunctions?

"Avalon1178" wrote

> but the 2008 civic you basically have to rely on the
reminder whether your oil is 15% or 10% etc. It doesn't say in the
manual the recommended time to replace the oil (i.e. every 6 months or
every 5000 mi). What happens if the dealer forgets to reset the
reminder or, worse, malfunctions?

That's where your brain comes in. If that doesn't work, visit the dealer, to
whom you gave many thousands of dollars, and ask how this new "system"
works.

Avalon1178 wrote:
> On Feb 2, 2:29�pm, "Elmo P. Shagnasty" <el...@nastydesigns.com> wrote:
>> In article
>> <74b09b16-d360-44d8-b5b7-8cdaf51ac...@n20g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>,
>>
>> �Avalon1178 <Avalon1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hi, I recently bought a new 2008 Honda Civic Sedan EX after my older
>>> model (2005) was totalled during a car accident. �I'm still getting
>>> used to the new car but so far so good. �One big big change with the
>>> new car is what appears to be the absence of a maintenance schedule.
>> No, there's a maintenance schedule. �Read your owner's manual.
>
> The only "schedule" I see in my manual is the one mentioned in pages
> 228-229 of the 2008 Hondai Civic Sedan, but this is exactly what I"m
> talking about, its not a "schedule" like you said but more of a
> "minder" which I posted originally. In my old 2005 manual, it spells
> it out such that at every 5000 mi, you change the oil, at 10000 mi you
> change oil + other stuff, at 30000 mi interval you do major service
> etc (located at the middle of the page). What "manual" are you
> talking about?
>
>>> Now with all the new
>>> features in the 2008 model like maintenance reminders etc, and the
>>> absence of a schedule maintenance in the owner's manual, is there no
>>> point to following your standard 5000 miles scheduled maintenance to,
>>> say, get your oil change etc or your typical 10,000-interval mile
>>> service to a shop (like tire rotation, brake fluid check, etc)?
>> Read your owner's manual. �It spells things out quite clearly.
>
> See my reply above. Show me what page where "it spells things out
> quite clearly". For example, I've always replaced my engine oil at
> every 5000 mi, but the 2008 civic you basically have to rely on the
> reminder whether your oil is 15% or 10% etc. It doesn't say in the
> manual the recommended time to replace the oil (i.e. every 6 months or
> every 5000 mi). What happens if the dealer forgets to reset the
> reminder or, worse, malfunctions?
>
>

how hard is this concept? do you fill the gas tank every 300 miles or
when the gauge shows you should? same principle applies with the the
maint sched reminder!

and if they "forget" reset it, not only will you not be paying them,
you'll see the percentage stay the same and you'll be calling the dealer
to have them sort it out. if it malfunctions, since it's integrated
with your engine management computer, the car will be dead and you'll be
calling the dealer for warranty repair.

> That's where your brain comes in. If that doesn't work, visit the dealer, to
> whom you gave many thousands of dollars, and ask how this new "system"
> works.

WTF? What's your problem? Are you the sorry son of a Honda dealer/
salesman that one little critique of the maintenance schedule got your
little feathers all ruffled? I know how this thing works, and that
wasn't my original question from this post. Maybe YOU should check
your brain (or what's left of it) and start reading the thread from
the beginning.

On Feb 2, 3:29Â*pm, jim beam <spamvor...@bad.example.net> wrote:
> Avalon1178 wrote:
> > On Feb 2, 2:29�pm, "Elmo P. Shagnasty" <el...@nastydesigns.com> wrote:
> >> In article
> >> <74b09b16-d360-44d8-b5b7-8cdaf51ac...@n20g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>,
>
> >> �Avalon1178 <Avalon1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> Hi, I recently bought a new 2008 Honda Civic Sedan EX after my older
> >>> model (2005) was totalled during a car accident. �I'm still getting
> >>> used to the new car but so far so good. �One big big change with the
> >>> new car is what appears to be the absence of a maintenance schedule.
> >> No, there's a maintenance schedule. �Read your owner's manual.
>
> > The only "schedule" I see in my manual is the one mentioned in pages
> > 228-229 of the 2008 Hondai Civic Sedan, but this is exactly what I"m
> > talking about, its not a "schedule" like you said but more of a
> > "minder" which I posted originally. Â*In my old 2005 manual, it spells
> > it out such that at every 5000 mi, you change the oil, at 10000 mi you
> > change oil + other stuff, at 30000 mi interval you do major service
> > etc (located at the middle of the page). Â*What "manual" are you
> > talking about?
>
> >>> Now with all the new
> >>> features in the 2008 model like maintenance reminders etc, and the
> >>> absence of a schedule maintenance in the owner's manual, is there no
> >>> point to following your standard 5000 miles scheduled maintenance to,
> >>> say, get your oil change etc or your typical 10,000-interval mile
> >>> service to a shop (like tire rotation, brake fluid check, etc)?
> >> Read your owner's manual. �It spells things out quite clearly.
>
> > See my reply above. Â*Show me what page where "it spells things out
> > quite clearly". Â*For example, I've always replaced my engine oil at
> > every 5000 mi, but the 2008 civic you basically have to rely on the
> > reminder whether your oil is 15% or 10% etc. Â*It doesn't say in the
> > manual the recommended time to replace the oil (i.e. every 6 months or
> > every 5000 mi). What happens if the dealer forgets to reset the
> > reminder or, worse, malfunctions?
>
> how hard is this concept? Â*do you fill the gas tank every 300 miles or
> when the gauge shows you should? Â*same principle applies with the the
> maint sched reminder!
>
> and if they "forget" reset it, not only will you not be paying them,
> you'll see the percentage stay the same and you'll be calling the dealer
> to have them sort it out. Â*if it malfunctions, since it's integrated
> with your engine management computer, the car will be dead and you'll be
> calling the dealer for warranty repair.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Dude would you f***ing relax? I just asked if there is a schedule in
the new civics such as those in the older models. I in no way did I
say the new features are bad. It was a new thing that caught me by
surprise, in a good way. If there's no schedule in the manual, then
fine! Can anyone get a simple "yes" or "no" answer here anymore?

Check your owner's manual under the section that says maintenance
minder. It will tell you what each letter and number corresponds to
what service you need to perform on the car at that time.

On Sat, 2 Feb 2008 15:37:42 -0800 (PST), Avalon1178
<Avalon1178@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Feb 2, 3:29*pm, jim beam <spamvor...@bad.example.net> wrote:
>> Avalon1178 wrote:
>> > On Feb 2, 2:29?pm, "Elmo P. Shagnasty" <el...@nastydesigns.com> wrote:
>> >> In article
>> >> <74b09b16-d360-44d8-b5b7-8cdaf51ac...@n20g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>,
>>
>> >> ?Avalon1178 <Avalon1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>> Hi, I recently bought a new 2008 Honda Civic Sedan EX after my older
>> >>> model (2005) was totalled during a car accident. ?I'm still getting
>> >>> used to the new car but so far so good. ?One big big change with the
>> >>> new car is what appears to be the absence of a maintenance schedule.
>> >> No, there's a maintenance schedule. ?Read your owner's manual.
>>
>> > The only "schedule" I see in my manual is the one mentioned in pages
>> > 228-229 of the 2008 Hondai Civic Sedan, but this is exactly what I"m
>> > talking about, its not a "schedule" like you said but more of a
>> > "minder" which I posted originally. *In my old 2005 manual, it spells
>> > it out such that at every 5000 mi, you change the oil, at 10000 mi you
>> > change oil + other stuff, at 30000 mi interval you do major service
>> > etc (located at the middle of the page). *What "manual" are you
>> > talking about?
>>
>> >>> Now with all the new
>> >>> features in the 2008 model like maintenance reminders etc, and the
>> >>> absence of a schedule maintenance in the owner's manual, is there no
>> >>> point to following your standard 5000 miles scheduled maintenance to,
>> >>> say, get your oil change etc or your typical 10,000-interval mile
>> >>> service to a shop (like tire rotation, brake fluid check, etc)?
>> >> Read your owner's manual. ?It spells things out quite clearly.
>>
>> > See my reply above. *Show me what page where "it spells things out
>> > quite clearly". *For example, I've always replaced my engine oil at
>> > every 5000 mi, but the 2008 civic you basically have to rely on the
>> > reminder whether your oil is 15% or 10% etc. *It doesn't say in the
>> > manual the recommended time to replace the oil (i.e. every 6 months or
>> > every 5000 mi). What happens if the dealer forgets to reset the
>> > reminder or, worse, malfunctions?
>>
>> how hard is this concept? *do you fill the gas tank every 300 miles or
>> when the gauge shows you should? *same principle applies with the the
>> maint sched reminder!
>>
>> and if they "forget" reset it, not only will you not be paying them,
>> you'll see the percentage stay the same and you'll be calling the dealer
>> to have them sort it out. *if it malfunctions, since it's integrated
>> with your engine management computer, the car will be dead and you'll be
>> calling the dealer for warranty repair.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
>Dude would you f***ing relax? I just asked if there is a schedule in
>the new civics such as those in the older models. I in no way did I
>say the new features are bad. It was a new thing that caught me by
>surprise, in a good way. If there's no schedule in the manual, then
>fine! Can anyone get a simple "yes" or "no" answer here anymore?

In article
<5220f417-717a-4ce3-b67e-61607098bd18@s19g2000prg.googlegroups.com>,
Avalon1178 <Avalon1178@gmail.com> wrote:

> > No, there's a maintenance schedule. *Read your owner's manual.
>
> The only "schedule" I see in my manual is the one mentioned in pages
> 228-229 of the 2008 Hondai Civic Sedan, but this is exactly what I"m
> talking about, its not a "schedule" like you said but more of a
> "minder"

The "minder" is the result of the engine computer, which is keeping very
close track of EXACTLY how you drive the car and what wear you put on it.

The schedule is inside the computer, and the computer tells you when
your driving habits warrant a given service.

How is that so difficult to understand or accept? It's much more
precise than "well, it's been about 6 months since I've seen ol' Goober
down at the fillin' station, so it must be time."



> In my old 2005 manual, it spells
> it out such that at every 5000 mi, you change the oil, at 10000 mi you
> change oil + other stuff, at 30000 mi interval you do major service
> etc (located at the middle of the page).

And years ago we used buy and play vinyl records. Do you go to the
Apple Store, pick up an iPod, and ask the guy, "Where's the stylus?
Where do I put the record on?"?



> What "manual" are you
> talking about?

The same manual you're reading. Follow it.

Why the resistance to following it?



> > Read your owner's manual. *It spells things out quite clearly.
>
> See my reply above. Show me what page where "it spells things out
> quite clearly".

Pages 228-229.

Why the resistance to following the schedule that Honda's engineers have
spelled out? The fact that they've spelled it out only in the computer,
which is able to take into account every little aspect of how you drive
the car and therefore know exactly how much wear their components and
lubricants have received?


The old "do it every X months or Y thousand miles" was there as a best
guesstimate, because the technology wasn't built into the car to record
every cold start, every RPM load, and so on. But now that it is there,
we don't go by simple time or miles--we go by much more precise
measurements.

And those measurements are understood by the engineers who built the
car, and the results of the measurements are well understood by the
engineers who built the car.

Why the resistance to following it?

In article <mZKdnV1I4ohEYTnanZ2dnUVZ_jSdnZ2d@speakeasy.net> ,
jim beam <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote:

> > See my reply above. Show me what page where "it spells things out
> > quite clearly". For example, I've always replaced my engine oil at
> > every 5000 mi, but the 2008 civic you basically have to rely on the
> > reminder whether your oil is 15% or 10% etc. It doesn't say in the
> > manual the recommended time to replace the oil (i.e. every 6 months or
> > every 5000 mi). What happens if the dealer forgets to reset the
> > reminder or, worse, malfunctions?
> >
> >
>
> how hard is this concept? do you fill the gas tank every 300 miles or
> when the gauge shows you should? same principle applies with the the
> maint sched reminder!

Good one. Let's see him respond to THAT.