Honda Car Forum

In article
<4275fa64-c8a5-4c14-b68d-c2cc7181849b@s8g2000prg.googlegroups.com>,
Avalon1178 <Avalon1178@gmail.com> wrote:

> > how hard is this concept? Â*do you fill the gas tank every 300 miles or
> > when the gauge shows you should? Â*same principle applies with the the
> > maint sched reminder!
> >
> > and if they "forget" reset it, not only will you not be paying them,
> > you'll see the percentage stay the same and you'll be calling the dealer
> > to have them sort it out. Â*if it malfunctions, since it's integrated
> > with your engine management computer, the car will be dead and you'll be
> > calling the dealer for warranty repair.- Hide quoted text -
> >
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Dude would you f***ing relax? I just asked if there is a schedule in
> the new civics such as those in the older models.

His question is valid: how hard is this concept?

You're resisting it very, very much. You want a crude time/mileage
table. I suppose you also avoid modern vaccines, and you drink
unpasteurized milk.

Well, how's this: fill your gas tank every 200 miles or 5 days,
whichever comes first. Don't use that gas gauge that gives you ACTUAL
information about the fill status of the gas tank. That's just stupid.

In article
<4275fa64-c8a5-4c14-b68d-c2cc7181849b@s8g2000prg.googlegroups.com>,
Avalon1178 <Avalon1178@gmail.com> wrote:

> I just asked if there is a schedule in
> the new civics such as those in the older models. I in no way did I
> say the new features are bad. It was a new thing that caught me by
> surprise, in a good way. If there's no schedule in the manual, then
> fine! Can anyone get a simple "yes" or "no" answer here anymore?

No.

In article
<ed029d0e-1e8d-47d3-bbcc-ac5fb0f30958@d4g2000prg.googlegroups.com>,
Avalon1178 <Avalon1178@gmail.com> wrote:

> > That's where your brain comes in. If that doesn't work, visit the dealer, to
> > whom you gave many thousands of dollars, and ask how this new "system"
> > works.
>
> WTF? What's your problem? Are you the sorry son of a Honda dealer/
> salesman that one little critique of the maintenance schedule got your
> little feathers all ruffled?

You manufactured a circumstance that (a) wouldn't happen, or (b) is
easily rectified if it did happen by mistake--and used that as "this is
why I need a time/miles maintenance schedule!"

Quit manufacturing things to be worried about. Sheesh. You're like an
old woman.

>
> The "minder" is the result of the engine computer, which is keeping very
> close track of EXACTLY how you drive the car and what wear you put on it.
>
> The schedule is inside the computer, and the computer tells you when
> your driving habits warrant a given service.

Wow little Elmo, that REALLY "spells" it out in the manual!

>
> How is that so difficult to understand or accept? *It's much more
> precise than "well, it's been about 6 months since I've seen ol' Goober
> down at the fillin' station, so it must be time."
>

Who said I'm not accepting this or having difficulty to understand? I
essentially just asked if the new models have a "strict" recommended
schedule to adhere to, like in older models. If not, then fine.
Actually, its good that it doesn't. I just wanted to know if this
"minder" is sufficient enough to keep the maintenance on check.

> > In my old 2005 manual, it spells
> > it out such that at every 5000 mi, you change the oil, at 10000 mi you
> > change oil + other stuff, at 30000 mi interval you do major service
> > etc (located at the middle of the page).
>
> And years ago we used buy and play vinyl records. *Do you go to the
> Apple Store, pick up an iPod, and ask the guy, "Where's the stylus? *
> Where do I put the record on?"?

I guess you're THAT old to remember vinyl records? And you call
yourself "Elmo"?

>
> > What "manual" are you
> > talking about?
>
> The same manual you're reading. *Follow it.
>
> Why the resistance to following it?

Who said I'm not gonna follow it? Can't you read my original
question? A simple "yes" or "no" is all I'm looking for. Geez, did I
just offend your Honda religion or something?

>
> > > Read your owner's manual. *It spells things out quite clearly.
>
> > See my reply above. *Show me what page where "it spells things out
> > quite clearly".

Yeah, you spelled it out quite "clearly" alright ("oh oh, the schedule
is in the computer...")

>
> Pages 228-229.
>
> Why the resistance to following the schedule that Honda's engineers have
> spelled out? *The fact that they've spelled it out only in the computer,
> which is able to take into account every little aspect of how you drive
> the car and therefore know exactly how much wear their components and
> lubricants have received?

That's good! I like that they did that! And I never said I was
resisting. All I asked if it matters to adhere to a schedule
anymore. If the "minder" is all that requires, then great!

>
> The old "do it every X months or Y thousand miles" was there as a best
> guesstimate, because the technology wasn't built into the car to record
> every cold start, every RPM load, and so on. *But now that it is there,
> we don't go by simple time or miles--we go by much more precise
> measurements.
>
> And those measurements are understood by the engineers who built the
> car, and the results of the measurements are well understood by the
> engineers who built the car.
>
> Why the resistance to following it?

Seriously dude, someone should grab you by the tummy so you can start
giggling like those tickle-me dolls from years back. Or is that too
recent for you that all you remember in your hay days are vinyl
records?

Follow the maintenance minder, or service once a year, which ever occurs
first. Include tire rotation too.

This is right out of the service manual:
If the message ''SERVICE'' does not appear more than 12 months after the
display is reset, change the engine oil every year.
NOTE:
Replace the brake fluid every 3 years (Independent of the maintenance
messages in the information display).
Inspect the idle speed every 160,000 miles (256,000 km).




Avalon1178 wrote:

> Hi, I recently bought a new 2008 Honda Civic Sedan EX after my older
> model (2005) was totalled during a car accident. I'm still getting
> used to the new car but so far so good. One big big change with the
> new car is what appears to be the absence of a maintenance schedule.
> I'm used to going to the service at 5000 miles intervals and following
> the owner's manual as to when to service my car. Now with all the new
> features in the 2008 model like maintenance reminders etc, and the
> absence of a schedule maintenance in the owner's manual, is there no
> point to following your standard 5000 miles scheduled maintenance to,
> say, get your oil change etc or your typical 10,000-interval mile
> service to a shop (like tire rotation, brake fluid check, etc)?

On Feb 2, 3:57*pm, "Elmo P. Shagnasty" <el...@nastydesigns.com> wrote:
> In article
> <4275fa64-c8a5-4c14-b68d-c2cc71818...@s8g2000prg.googlegroups.com>,
>
> *Avalon1178 <Avalon1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I just asked if there is a schedule in
> > the new civics such as those in the older models. *I in no way did I
> > say the new features are bad. *It was a new thing that caught me by
> > surprise, in a good way. *If there's no schedule in the manual, then
> > fine! *Can anyone get a simple "yes" or "no" answer here anymore?
>
> No.

Great! That's all I'm looking for. No need to get offended just
because someone made a comment to your Honday gods

In article
<c1287b84-cfe2-4316-836e-f5f36ed79ae5@s8g2000prg.googlegroups.com>,
Avalon1178 <Avalon1178@gmail.com> wrote:

> > The "minder" is the result of the engine computer, which is keeping very
> > close track of EXACTLY how you drive the car and what wear you put on it.
> >
> > The schedule is inside the computer, and the computer tells you when
> > your driving habits warrant a given service.
>
> Wow little Elmo, that REALLY "spells" it out in the manual!

The manual couldn't be clearer--follow the maintenance minder.

You're manufacturing things out of thin air here. You don't WANT to
follow the minder, for some reason unknown to anyone.



> Who said I'm not accepting this or having difficulty to understand? I
> essentially just asked if the new models have a "strict" recommended
> schedule to adhere to, like in older models. If not, then fine.

So you read the owner's manual, which spells everything out. You chose
not to believe the manufacturer, choosing instead to come to the Usenet
and ask random strangers--most of whom would be highly entertained by
sending you on a snipe hunt.

Yeah, THAT'S a good choice.

Instead of sending you on a snipe hunt, we give you actual
information--and we're watching you refuse the actual information (which
correlates with what the manufacturer says, interestingly enough) and
instead defend your original choice of refusing to believe the
manufacturer. Equally entertaining, in the end.



> > And years ago we used buy and play vinyl records. *Do you go to the
> > Apple Store, pick up an iPod, and ask the guy, "Where's the stylus? *
> > Where do I put the record on?"?
>
> I guess you're THAT old to remember vinyl records? And you call
> yourself "Elmo"?

You can still buy vinyl records, but you have to search them out. Not
sure why my choice of monicker is involved in that particular discussion.


> > > What "manual" are you
> > > talking about?
> >
> > The same manual you're reading. *Follow it.
> >
> > Why the resistance to following it?
>
> Who said I'm not gonna follow it?

You did.



> And I never said I was
> resisting. All I asked if it matters to adhere to a schedule
> anymore.

So you read the owner's manual, which spells everything out. You chose
not to believe the manufacturer, choosing instead to come to the Usenet
and ask random strangers--most of whom would be highly entertained by
sending you on a snipe hunt.



> > Why the resistance to following it?
>
> Seriously dude, someone should grab you by the tummy so you can start
> giggling like those tickle-me dolls from years back. Or is that too
> recent for you that all you remember in your hay days are vinyl
> records?

Nice try at trying to avoid the question. Why didn't you answer it?

As for "hay days," that would be feeding time at the horse stable.
Maybe you were trying to talk about a heyday?

English. It's a great language. Use it.

>
> As for "hay days," that would be feeding time at the horse stable. *
> Maybe you were trying to talk about a heyday?
>
> English. *It's a great language. *Use it.

Ding ding ding! NIce. You're not that stupid after all.....

"Avalon1178" wrote

>> Why the resistance to following it?

> Who said I'm not gonna follow it? Can't you read my original
question? A simple "yes" or "no" is all I'm looking for. Geez, did I
just offend your Honda religion or something?

Your original post included wondering a) what happens if the "minder"
malfunctions, and b) what happens if the dealer forgets to reset it. (It was
to those that I responded.) Those are not "yes or no" questions. So in the
future, be clear with your communication, and we'll respond accordingly.
There are a lot of bright, knowledgeable people here who really do go out of
their way to help... and respond accordingly. Seriously, I hope you enjoy
your new car.

This has been a very entertaining thread; thank you all!

Avalon1178 wrote:
> On Feb 2, 3:29 pm, jim beam <spamvor...@bad.example.net> wrote:
>> Avalon1178 wrote:
>>> On Feb 2, 2:29�pm, "Elmo P. Shagnasty" <el...@nastydesigns.com> wrote:
>>>> In article
>>>> <74b09b16-d360-44d8-b5b7-8cdaf51ac...@n20g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>,
>>>> �Avalon1178 <Avalon1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Hi, I recently bought a new 2008 Honda Civic Sedan EX after my older
>>>>> model (2005) was totalled during a car accident. �I'm still getting
>>>>> used to the new car but so far so good. �One big big change with the
>>>>> new car is what appears to be the absence of a maintenance schedule.
>>>> No, there's a maintenance schedule. �Read your owner's manual.
>>> The only "schedule" I see in my manual is the one mentioned in pages
>>> 228-229 of the 2008 Hondai Civic Sedan, but this is exactly what I"m
>>> talking about, its not a "schedule" like you said but more of a
>>> "minder" which I posted originally. In my old 2005 manual, it spells
>>> it out such that at every 5000 mi, you change the oil, at 10000 mi you
>>> change oil + other stuff, at 30000 mi interval you do major service
>>> etc (located at the middle of the page). What "manual" are you
>>> talking about?
>>>>> Now with all the new
>>>>> features in the 2008 model like maintenance reminders etc, and the
>>>>> absence of a schedule maintenance in the owner's manual, is there no
>>>>> point to following your standard 5000 miles scheduled maintenance to,
>>>>> say, get your oil change etc or your typical 10,000-interval mile
>>>>> service to a shop (like tire rotation, brake fluid check, etc)?
>>>> Read your owner's manual. �It spells things out quite clearly.
>>> See my reply above. Show me what page where "it spells things out
>>> quite clearly". For example, I've always replaced my engine oil at
>>> every 5000 mi, but the 2008 civic you basically have to rely on the
>>> reminder whether your oil is 15% or 10% etc. It doesn't say in the
>>> manual the recommended time to replace the oil (i.e. every 6 months or
>>> every 5000 mi). What happens if the dealer forgets to reset the
>>> reminder or, worse, malfunctions?
>> how hard is this concept? do you fill the gas tank every 300 miles or
>> when the gauge shows you should? same principle applies with the the
>> maint sched reminder!
>>
>> and if they "forget" reset it, not only will you not be paying them,
>> you'll see the percentage stay the same and you'll be calling the dealer
>> to have them sort it out. if it malfunctions, since it's integrated
>> with your engine management computer, the car will be dead and you'll be
>> calling the dealer for warranty repair.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> Dude would you f***ing relax? I just asked if there is a schedule in
> the new civics such as those in the older models. I in no way did I
> say the new features are bad. It was a new thing that caught me by
> surprise, in a good way. If there's no schedule in the manual, then
> fine! Can anyone get a simple "yes" or "no" answer here anymore?

have you noticed how people here don't like answering dumb questions?
you want to pay me, i'll give you any answer you want. if you don't
want to pay me, you got to interest me - and bleating about what you're
getting for free just doesn't do that.