Honda Car Forum

"Seth" <seth_lermanNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote

> It's not fresh once you open it and put it in an engine.

Gotcha.

> It still has contimants in it. Under those circumstances, might it be
> good for 1.5 yrs instead of 1, probably. But now you're describing an
> owners manual 1000 pages long while it lists out every possible scenario
> rather than the most likely that will be economical for all.

Heh..well put.

> MM is for the lowest common denominator and won't have a way to
> differentiate. Honda's have no DINO/SYNTH" switch under the hood.

Not a bad idea, really...

> How dirty it is, would require taking a sample and sending it for
> analysis. I'd rather spend the $15 or whatever changing it than $40 for
> the analysis.

LOL!

> Yeah, but now I think you are looking for extremes.

Oh sure, admittedly so.

> But it's almost always going to be good enough for the masses.

Agreed.

And post when you hit 200k, will 'ya?

Peace,
Polfus

Polfus wrote:
>
> "Seth" <seth_lermanNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote
>
>> Sorry, no receipts. I buy oil at the local CarQuest. A case at a
>> time of whatever is cheapest that visit. Average interval is about 7+
>> thousand between changes.
>
> Now see that just makes complete sense to me....change the oil every
> 6500-7000 miles with today's choices, or the old Mobil 1 Synthetic.
>
> Thats what I have been doing with the stuff for 16 years....before there
> were MMs on Hondas
>
> Peace,
> Polfus

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Polfus wrote:
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> "Seth" <seth_lermanNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote
>
>> My '01 V6, a tad over 7k per change. But I'm a high mileage driver.
>> My commute, 3 times a week, is 77 miles each way, very much of it 60+
>> mph highway.
>
> Yeah...but still the figures make sense to me at least.
>
> Peace,
> Polfus

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Polfus wrote:
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> "Elle" <honda.lioness@nospam.earthlink.net> wrote
>
>> To update the thread, we do have some reports on when the MM is
>> calling for an oil change:
>> Jan 21 JXStern and Elliot Richmond: About every 6k miles, twice now.
>> Jan 13 Joe L.: About every 6k miles, twice now.
>> Aug 5 2007 Santos: About every 6500-6800 miles, four times.
>> Dec 4 2006 John H.: About every 7k miles.
>
> Interesting...thanks for that info!
>
> Peace,
> Polfus

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Polfus wrote:
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> "Timothy J. Lee" <remove22@sonic.net> wrote in message
> news:47a900c9$0$36396$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net...
>> In article <elmop-682F67.06120305022008@nntp3.usenetserver.com>,
>> Elmo P. Shagnasty <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote:
>>> What is it nowadays--API SJ?
>>
>> The most recent API rating for oils for gasoline engines is SM.
>> http://www.api.org/certifications/en...lGuide2006.pdf
>>
>> --
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Timothy J. Lee
>> Unsolicited bulk or commercial email is not welcome.
>> No warranty of any kind is provided with this message.
>
> Thanks for that, Timothy!
>
> Interesting that there is no info for degredation properties of motor
> oils on that.
>
> Anyone have a link to such info?
>
> Peace,
> Polfus

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Polfus wrote:
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> "jim beam" <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote
>
>> Polfus wrote:
>>> <snip crap>
>
> Hey...you are a little shit when you want to be, no doubt.
>
>>> Duh..and you need chemical analysis to do so...
>>
>> no you don't - analysis is when you don't know what the input is -
>> it's if you're flying blind.
>
> You scare me sometimes..where do you come up with this stuff?

actually, i went to school and studied stuff like this. you should try
it - you might learn something.


>
> You the same dude that recommended the double-blind study a while ago?
>
>> [and installing gas chromatography instruments on a car is a
>> ridiculous concept btw.]
>
> Hey...at least there would be no *GUESSWORK* involved in when to change
> your oil, you silly man.

so $150k of chromatography instrumentation is a good idea for a $15k
car? you have a serious reality problem. ignoring the fact that people
spent millions of dollars researching the algorithms to make computer
monitoring work of course.



>
>>> whats wrong with gas chromatography/mass spectrometry, for example?
>
>> with a modern car, you /know/ what the input is, so analysis would be
>> an incredible expense for almost no practical benefit.
>
> Well neither is a system that *GUESSES* when I should change my oil.

it's not a guess, it's a measure, based on usage. like your gas thank
gauge.



>
> And that, my mentally challenged friend, is the bottom line.
>

well, /one/ of us is certainly challenged. and i'm not your friend.

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Polfus wrote:
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> "Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote
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>>> That would require having on-board info in a hard drive that knows the
>>> chemical structure, osmolarity, density from the light spectrometer
>>> thingy,
>>> etc., of each and every oil,
>>
>> No, it simple means specifying a minimum standard of motor oil--the
>> specifications of which are published.
>
> That helps a consumer grab a quart of oil designed to fit the
> performance of the engine in use.
>
> Still...that does nothing to test the actual condition of the actual
> motor oil once it's in the engine.
>
>> What is it nowadays--API SJ?
>
> Yes.
>
>> Read. It's good for you.
>
> The API SJ designation is a *minimum* standard that oil must meet, but
> there is no additional designation for outstanding or superior oils
> within the SJ designation.
>
> And here's something to read, even if it directly or indirectly relates
> to this subject:
>
> http://www.infineum.com/information/...j-sl-2004.html
>
> http://www.swri.org/4org/d08/GasTests/home.htm
>
> Polfus
>
>
>
>
>

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Polfus wrote:
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> "Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote
>
>> In article <BI6qj.2911$5M1.1229@newsfe23.lga>,
>> "alfred" <tomboy83=@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> My dealer had to give
>>> me a paper to show me aprox what to do at certain mileage for this
>>> reason
>>
>> Your dealer doesn't want you to follow the MM, because he makes less
>> money than if you follow a paper time/miles schedule.
>>
>> You got suckered.
>
> Your comment is *MOOT* if the dude changes the oil himself.
>
> Think about it, preferably before you start typing.
>
> Polfus

do you drain your gas tank every week, discard what you drain, then buy
new gas? you may as well with the above bizarre logic.

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Polfus wrote:
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> "Seth" <seth_lermanNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote
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>>> Still...that does nothing to test the actual condition of the actual
>>> motor oil once it's in the engine.
>>
>> Which is why I use the cheap stuff. The car and minder system is
>> designed with the lowest common denominator in mind.
>
> Now you're talking, Seth.
>
>> So I figure spending anymore than that is not needed as I would end up
>> changing the better (more expensive stuff) before it was "fully used
>> up" thus wasting the extra money I spent on it.
>
> Makes complete sense to me, man...especially if you maintain your
> behicle where you change oil *before* its worn out.
>
> Peace,
> Polfus
>
>
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Polfus wrote:
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> "Seth" <seth_lermanNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote
>
>> Yeah, when the MM says to or 1 year, whichever comes first. I know of
>> no other.
>
> Cool..I thought you had other info bec..well..doesn't matter what I
> thought.
>
>> I have no scientific fact, only that logically it makes sense. It has
>> contaminants eating away at it even if just sitting there.
>
> Oh..sorry..I guess I forgot to say that in my example, its fresh oil on
> a brand new car.
>
> In other words, if I have a brand new car and keep it in a garage and
> start in once every 2 weeks and roll it around the neighborhood once or
> twice and then park it again, for a year....like maybe 100 miles max in
> a year, if even.
>
> I wonder if its okay for synthetic oil and if it would still, in
> reality, require replacement even if a MM says so.
>
> Is the damn stuff *really* dirty/contaminated/degraded to the point of
> warranting replacement, even in this extreme example?
>
> See what I mean?
>
> Because if you do, then you could fairly quickly see that there may be
> times when the MM is incorrect.
>
>> Got home today at 199,178. I fear the engine will last well beyond
>> the transmission. It's being an '01 V6-AT having not had any problems
>> (except for the occasional code (P0980 I think)) it is already on
>> borrowed time.
>
> Heh...didn't worry about how long it would last like you worry about it
> now...just 822 miles to go, boyee!
>
> Peace,
> Polfus

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