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hgoldste@mpcs.com (Howard Goldstein) wrote in
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> On Tue, 18 Dec 2007 00:05:18 +0000 (UTC), Tegger <tegger@tegger.c0m>
> wrote:
> : You've also got a couple of grounds to the transmission housing.
>
> Should I expect any with a standard transmission?
>



Don't know. Probably.

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On Tue, 18 Dec 2007 01:25:54 +0000 (UTC), Tegger <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote:
: hgoldste@mpcs.com (Howard Goldstein) wrote in
: news:1197938730.15124@news.queue.to:
:
:
: >
: > Thanks. That has got to be the one on the driver's side from the
: > corner of thevalve cover, goes a few inches over to that tower and
: > then over to the frame.
:
:
:
: That's the one.
:
:
:
: > I cleaned those up with no-residue cleaner
: > and did a few tightening/untightening cycles, move the tab around, etc
: > to try to dislodge any gunk. Also did the same to the grounds
: > attached to the intake manifold (driver side, there's an attachment
: > point with two heavyish cables each paired with two thin yellow cables
: > (?)(but it does go to bare metal)(the manual says those are the ECM
: > grounds? What a weird place to bring them?)
:
:
:
: My manual says G101, which is the one under the engine end of the lower rad
: hose, which is also the thermostat housing.
:
:
: >
: > Before I did that though I ohmed out the leads back to the negative
: > battery cable with the cable detached from the battery and they looked
: > ok. *However* the problem was not existent when I started doing this.
: >
: > Another question please: You mentioned another ground over by the
: > temperature housing? Is this on the firewall-side of the engine,
: > passenger side? I couldn't find a ground wire there but I don't think
: > I"m looking in the right place, or I'm not able to see it easily
:
:
:
: It's immediately under the engine end of the lower rad hose. Some cars use
: only two bolts on the thermostat housing, with the ground cable attached to
: of those two bolts. Hunt around for an unconnected wire around that
: location.
:
:

I'm pushing my luck with you probably. There are three bolts into the
thermostat, one of them I can't see but can feel, but man I don't feel
or see anything attached or hanging around nearby. You wouldn't
happen to recall where it came from, would you? If not don't sweat
it, you've given me more to poke around on and I need to put a lot
more time into looking around for a loose wire under there
before I bug you again, I need to get a mirror and pull it out into
the daylight tomorrow.

FWIW, thus far I've cleaned and resecured G101 (above) G1, and G2 and
G351. I'm not sure how to get at G201 and G301 which the diagrams
show stuck up in the front corners around the marker lights. Velly
intelesting...

Howard Goldstein wrote:
> I have a 94 Accord EX with an intermittent fuel pump not running

---------------------------

Sit quietly in the car with the key in position II. Smack the dash on
the left side of the steering wheel. If the fuel pump is heard to run
for three seconds, the car will now start. It will also keep running
because of the vibration.

Resolder the relay. (don't unbolt it, just slip it out of it's case by
pulling on the harness and prying with a small screwdriver).

I was gonna say Merry Christmas :-)

'Curly'

On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 20:00:31 -0700, motsco_ <motsco_@interbaun.com> wrote:
: Howard Goldstein wrote:
: > I have a 94 Accord EX with an intermittent fuel pump not running
:
: ---------------------------
:
: Sit quietly in the car with the key in position II. Smack the dash on
: the left side of the steering wheel. If the fuel pump is heard to run
: for three seconds, the car will now start. It will also keep running
: because of the vibration.

Sadly, no. Relay is fine.

:
: Resolder the relay. (don't unbolt it, just slip it out of it's case by
: pulling on the harness and prying with a small screwdriver).
:

I covered that in the snipped parts of my post

hgoldste@mpcs.com (Howard Goldstein) wrote in
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..
> :
> :
>
> I'm pushing my luck with you probably. There are three bolts into the
> thermostat,



Then you have the usual three bolt style. Two of those bolts are long
and go into the thermostat housing, holding the thermostat cover on. The
third is very short (same head size) and only holds the ground wire to
the thermostat cover.

It is /possible/ Honda used the 3-bolt style of housing from other
vehicles, but never actually put a ground wire to it.



> one of them I can't see but can feel, but man I don't feel
> or see anything attached or hanging around nearby.



There ought to be, /if/ I'm remembering correctly from what I have seen.
Lord knows where it might be if it's got messed up with other wiring.



> You wouldn't
> happen to recall where it came from, would you? If not don't sweat
> it,



I don't. I'm thinking /if/ it's there at all (and it might not be), it
should still be hanging around someplace close by. Unless somebody's
taped or cut it off...



> you've given me more to poke around on and I need to put a lot
> more time into looking around for a loose wire under there
> before I bug you again, I need to get a mirror and pull it out into
> the daylight tomorrow.
>
> FWIW, thus far I've cleaned and resecured G101 (above) G1, and G2 and
> G351. I'm not sure how to get at G201 and G301 which the diagrams
> show stuck up in the front corners around the marker lights. Velly
> intelesting...
>


My manual says G101 is the ECU ground, but then my manual also shows a
2-bolt thermostat cover...

Sometimes there are mistakes in the manuals, so what we're seeing in
them isn't necessarily correct, and I don't have an actual Accord handy
to look at.

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On Tue, 18 Dec 2007 15:08:08 +0000 (UTC), Tegger <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote:
: hgoldste@mpcs.com (Howard Goldstein) wrote in
: news:1197943802.54992@news.queue.to:
:
: .
: > :
: > :
: >
: > I'm pushing my luck with you probably. There are three bolts into the
: > thermostat,
:
:
:
: Then you have the usual three bolt style. Two of those bolts are long
: and go into the thermostat housing, holding the thermostat cover on. The
: third is very short (same head size) and only holds the ground wire to
: the thermostat cover.
:
: It is /possible/ Honda used the 3-bolt style of housing from other
: vehicles, but never actually put a ground wire to it.
:

It's really tough to see what's going on with this housing. I can
only see one bolt head, another is attached to what looks like a
useless bracket, and a third is on the underside below the rad hose
and I can only feel that


:
:
: > one of them I can't see but can feel, but man I don't feel
: > or see anything attached or hanging around nearby.
:
:
:
: There ought to be, /if/ I'm remembering correctly from what I have seen.
: Lord knows where it might be if it's got messed up with other wiring.

Yeah, looks like I need a mirror or something and poke around with
that. Times like this I wish the ancients had picked a different
color for ground, like glow-in-the-dark green or something....

:
:
:
: > You wouldn't
: > happen to recall where it came from, would you? If not don't sweat
: > it,
:
:
:
: I don't. I'm thinking /if/ it's there at all (and it might not be), it
: should still be hanging around someplace close by. Unless somebody's
: taped or cut it off...
:
:
:
: > you've given me more to poke around on and I need to put a lot
: > more time into looking around for a loose wire under there
: > before I bug you again, I need to get a mirror and pull it out into
: > the daylight tomorrow.
: >
: > FWIW, thus far I've cleaned and resecured G101 (above) G1, and G2 and
: > G351. I'm not sure how to get at G201 and G301 which the diagrams
: > show stuck up in the front corners around the marker lights. Velly
: > intelesting...
: >
:
:
: My manual says G101 is the ECU ground, but then my manual also shows a
: 2-bolt thermostat cover...

As does my manual.

Pardon two very silly questions. If I've gotten everything reasonable
the only connections I've yet to clean are the connectors for the ECM
and the ground that the manual shows inside the cabin, passenger side,
above the ECM. Can you think of any reason I shouldn't at least hit
the ECM sockets and the connector with good no-residue contact cleaner
in case I can dislodge potential oxidation? If there aren't good
reasons not to do this then HTH do folks I get the kickpanels off?
After lifting the weatherstipping and carpet I've got access to it but
tugging at the panel doesn't do any good. Can I pry it off with a
flathead screwdriver to pop the kickpanel's plastic anchors out of the
body (is there a better way?)

:
: Sometimes there are mistakes in the manuals, so what we're seeing in
: them isn't necessarily correct, and I don't have an actual Accord handy
: to look at.

At least part of the problem here is relying on my descriptions. I'm
only slightly better with cars than I am with household plumbing, and
that's not saying much.

hgoldste@mpcs.com (Howard Goldstein) wrote in
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>
> Pardon two very silly questions. If I've gotten everything reasonable
> the only connections I've yet to clean are the connectors for the ECM
> and the ground that the manual shows inside the cabin, passenger side,
> above the ECM. Can you think of any reason I shouldn't at least hit
> the ECM sockets and the connector with good no-residue contact cleaner
> in case I can dislodge potential oxidation?



No reason /not/ to do that...except that Honda does not ground its ECMs
at that location.

And it is very rare for Honda grounds to become compromised which are
inside the passenger compartment.



> If there aren't good
> reasons not to do this then HTH do folks I get the kickpanels off?



They're held on with metal friction clips. Grab the panel at its edges
and pull gently to see where it flexes least. The locations of least
flex are the clip locations. Move your fingers there and tug sharply.
The clips will pop out of their holes. Wrap your fingers as far around
the panel as possible to minimize flex as you yank.



> After lifting the weatherstipping and carpet I've got access to it but
> tugging at the panel doesn't do any good.



Tug more sharply. Those clips are in there quite solidly.



> Can I pry it off with a
> flathead screwdriver to pop the kickpanel's plastic anchors out of the
> body (is there a better way?)



See above. Fingers only; no screwdrivers. Don't be afraid to give it a
good hard yank. The more suddenly force is applied, the more effective
it will be.


>
> :
> : Sometimes there are mistakes in the manuals, so what we're seeing
> : in them isn't necessarily correct, and I don't have an actual
> : Accord handy to look at.
>
> At least part of the problem here is relying on my descriptions. I'm
> only slightly better with cars than I am with household plumbing, and
> that's not saying much.


If I had actual hands-on experience with this model, we'd probably have
this fixed by now, but I don't. A suggestion: Go to a local U-Pull
wrecking yard. Find a copy of your model there. Inspect--with a bright
flashlight and a mirror--the same area of your car on the wreck. A
wrecking yard excursion will also allow you to study without penalty how
plastic trim panels come off.

You can purchase fairly inexpensively an extensible inspection mirror at
any auto parts place, such as AutoZone, Kragen, NAPA...



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