Honda Car Forum

Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
> In article <X_GdnaNZjYEhp_zanZ2dnUVZ_tajnZ2d@speakeasy.net> ,
> jim beam <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote:
>
>> bottom line, this whole subject is a murky pool of slime.
>
> In other words, "marketing to stupid people".
>

not so much stupid, ignorant. and if the manufacturers won't spill
their beans, then /everyone/ is ignorant.

On Dec 17, 9:14 am, jim beam <spamvor...@bad.example.net> wrote:
>
> even f1 race cars, pretty much the ultimate in engineering design,
> strive to achieve smooth transmission shifting in their semi-automatics.
> not because they're driven by wussies, but because, as i've stated
> repeatedly before, it mitigates fatigue in the transmission and drive
> line. you need to study the effect of stress amplitude vs. fatigue
> life. a bit of tribology wouldn't hurt you either.


You're confused, wise one. In race cars, as long as you don't get your
neck broken by the shift shocks, it's smooth, but to the average
consumer, barely noticeable shift shocks is smooth. As an analogy, a
hotdog goes with mustard is smooth..

Face it, you've got to have the coordination of a world-class gymnast
to shift gears precisely and smoothly. Now you have it, automated
manual transmission do the shifting with smoothness and a robotic
precision. Honda automatics are just that..

But Honda could never launch a marketing campaign for its automatic
transmission technologies that as it did for its VTEC engines.
Automatic transmissions, like hotdogs, are uniquely American.
Declaring a war against the norm is commit suicide.

Honda's automatic transmission design is superior, if you ask me. But
selling cars equiped with Honda's automatic transmission in North
American market is like is selling hotdogs garnished with plum sauce.
Bad for your health? NO!! And yet the taste is strange. What Honda
does is tell Joe Shmoe the consumer that adding cat piss to plum sauce
will make the damn thing taste just like mustard.

Now that is BAD!!!

bi241@scn.org wrote:
> On Dec 17, 9:14 am, jim beam <spamvor...@bad.example.net> wrote:
>> even f1 race cars, pretty much the ultimate in engineering design,
>> strive to achieve smooth transmission shifting in their semi-automatics.
>> not because they're driven by wussies, but because, as i've stated
>> repeatedly before, it mitigates fatigue in the transmission and drive
>> line. you need to study the effect of stress amplitude vs. fatigue
>> life. a bit of tribology wouldn't hurt you either.
>
>
> You're confused, wise one. In race cars, as long as you don't get your
> neck broken by the shift shocks, it's smooth,

in f1, it's not about the driver, it's about the peak loads on the
transmission. the more it jerks, the higher the peak load. the higher
the peak load, the lower the fatigue life. and, in racing, the lower
the peak load, the lighter the componentry can be to achieve a fatigue
life that will get it across the finish line in first place.

a street honda is not built for racing, but it's not built for an
infinite fatigue life either - that would make it too heavy. given that
there is no speed or power advantage to jerky shifting, and that there
is a substantial fatigue advantage [which happens also to benefit driver
comfort] to making it smooth, there is no logic in disregard.


> but to the average
> consumer, barely noticeable shift shocks is smooth. As an analogy, a
> hotdog goes with mustard is smooth..
>
> Face it, you've got to have the coordination of a world-class gymnast
> to shift gears precisely and smoothly. Now you have it, automated
> manual transmission do the shifting with smoothness and a robotic
> precision. Honda automatics are just that..
>
> But Honda could never launch a marketing campaign for its automatic
> transmission technologies that as it did for its VTEC engines.
> Automatic transmissions, like hotdogs, are uniquely American.
> Declaring a war against the norm is commit suicide.
>
> Honda's automatic transmission design is superior, if you ask me. But
> selling cars equiped with Honda's automatic transmission in North
> American market is like is selling hotdogs garnished with plum sauce.
> Bad for your health? NO!! And yet the taste is strange. What Honda
> does is tell Joe Shmoe the consumer that adding cat piss to plum sauce
> will make the damn thing taste just like mustard.
>
> Now that is BAD!!!