Honda Car Forum

"TomP" <---roadcyc@socal.rr.com> wrote

> There are thousands of Honda vehicles with well over 100k miles, that
> have never used synthetic lubricants of any kind in the engine.
> Also know that using synthetic oil does not void your warranty.
>
> Save the difference in price between Petroleum oil and synthetic oil
> and buy some good wax/polish for the exterior painted surfaces. Or,
> better (in my book) pay a professional to maintain the outside of the car.

Couple of points:

1) I don't wanna use more oil than I have to with the environment and not to
mention the world's dependency on crude oil.

2) Synthetics can definately help with that total figure annually, no?

3) I have a black car, so I always wash the thing myself...by hand.
Literally.

Peace,
Polfus

"Seth" <seth_lermanNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote

>> All I hope you realize is that its not the *norm*, nor "routine".
>
> What is the "norm"? Do you have statistics defining the "norm". Or is
> under 200K your perception of what the "norm" is?

I think the "norm" for Hondas seems to be about 150,000-180,000 miles.

Most people do not have a car that long to put 200,000 miles on it, or the
car itself doesn't last.

Out of 10 Honda Accord owners, you think that 8/10 will have over 200,000
miles on their car?

5/10?

1/10?

You tell me, what you think the "norm" is..., i.e.the reason you dispute my
statement.

> When I was deciding what to buy when I got my current Accord, my decision
> was heavily swayed by the common perception that lasting hundreds of
> thousands to miles was indeed the "norm".

Lemme know what it actually turns out to be... we'll see, and if I'm still
here when or if you do make it to that number.

FWIW, one of the reasons I got my Honda ( again ) is the common perception
that you can't kill 'em.

If it makes it to 200,000 miles, then I will be very happy. I don't count on
it though, with so many factors coming into play.

Peace,
Polfus

On Dec 15, 11:08 am, TomP <---road...@socal.rr.com> wrote:
snip
> See pg. 317 of your owner's manual. Which says you can use it,
> providing it meets the current API specifications and is changed at
> intervals shown on the information display
> So for normal driving there is no advantage using synthetic oil in
> your Honda engine.

I don't agree. There's considerable oil analysis evidence that
conventional motor oil does not last for 10,000 miles whereas
synthetic does.

Synthetic oil flows MUCH better in very cold temperatures, thus
significantly reducing engine wear for those living in cold climates.
Similarly, synthetic doesn't suffer from thermal breakdown the way
conventional oil does in very hot climates. Sludge is not a problem
with synthetic oil.

>
> There are thousands of Honda vehicles with well over 100k miles, that
> have never used synthetic lubricants of any kind in the engine.

True. And there are thousands of Honda vehicles with well over 100K
miles that use synthetic oil routinely.

I agree that the average driver is served well-enough with
conventional oil changes every 5000 miles given a moderate climate.
Under those conditions, I'd expect a Honda engine to last 200K miles
so long as other PM items are attended to. Synthetic isn't necessary
to reach 200K miles, it just requires a lot fewer oil changes.

In article
<90e50504-027f-4a47-b25e-3055923ba4e8@w56g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
ACAR <getoutanpush@yahoo.com> wrote:

> > So for normal driving there is no advantage using synthetic oil in
> > your Honda engine.
>
> I don't agree. There's considerable oil analysis evidence that
> conventional motor oil does not last for 10,000 miles whereas
> synthetic does.

And you pay for the privilege.

In the end, all you get is the privilege of not stopping in for those
few extra oil changes. You don't get a price break, that's for sure.

In a normal consumer Honda engine, there's no benefit.

On Dec 16, 5:13 pm, "Elmo P. Shagnasty" <el...@nastydesigns.com>
wrote:
> In article
> <90e50504-027f-4a47-b25e-3055923ba...@w56g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
>
> ACAR <getoutanp...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > So for normal driving there is no advantage using synthetic oil in
> > > your Honda engine.
>
> > I don't agree. There's considerable oil analysis evidence that
> > conventional motor oil does not last for 10,000 miles whereas
> > synthetic does.
>
> And you pay for the privilege.

How much is the question.
>
> In the end, all you get is the privilege of not stopping in for those
> few extra oil changes. You don't get a price break, that's for sure.

I do my own oil changes. Synthetic oil and oil filter costs less than
$30.
Annual costs depend upon how many miles/year you drive.
>
> In a normal consumer Honda engine, there's no benefit.
This is true in a moderate climate and for someone who keeps up with
PM but is not a DIYer.
Synthetic does allow the typical consumer the luxury of not having to
worry much about forgetting to check/change their motor oil on
schedule. Unlike readers of this newsgroup, I'm not sure the typical
owner even checks their engine oil level between oil changes.

In article
<2e63f5f7-12a2-4835-8030-d5c475c7d3d0@i12g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
ACAR <dimndsonmywndshld@yahoo.com> wrote:

> > In the end, all you get is the privilege of not stopping in for those
> > few extra oil changes. You don't get a price break, that's for sure.
>
> I do my own oil changes. Synthetic oil and oil filter costs less than
> $30.
> Annual costs depend upon how many miles/year you drive.

So do your own oil changes with regular oil. You'll save money, and the
engine will respond just the same.

Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:

> In article
> <2e63f5f7-12a2-4835-8030-d5c475c7d3d0@i12g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
> ACAR <dimndsonmywndshld@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>>>In the end, all you get is the privilege of not stopping in for those
>>>few extra oil changes. You don't get a price break, that's for sure.
>>
>>I do my own oil changes. Synthetic oil and oil filter costs less than
>>$30.
>>Annual costs depend upon how many miles/year you drive.
>
>
> So do your own oil changes with regular oil. You'll save money, and the
> engine will respond just the same.
>


What most people fail to understand is that whatever lubricant is
chosen, abrasive particulate matter is generated by gasoline internal
combustion engines and some will end up in suspension in the lubricant
regardless of the type chosen. So, the change interval would be the same
at least from that perspective.

Using a good grade of dino lubricant for engines just makes more sense
to me. Now, if one considers applications for transmissions, etc, the
picture can change drastically...

Give 'em hell Elmo!

JT

On Dec 17, 8:53 pm, "Elmo P. Shagnasty" <el...@nastydesigns.com>
wrote:
> In article
> <2e63f5f7-12a2-4835-8030-d5c475c7d...@i12g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
>
> ACAR <dimndsonmywnds...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > In the end, all you get is the privilege of not stopping in for those
> > > few extraoilchanges. You don't get a price break, that's for sure.
>
> > I do my ownoilchanges. Syntheticoilandoilfilter costs less than
> > $30.
> > Annual costs depend upon how many miles/year you drive.
>
> So do your ownoilchanges with regularoil. You'll save money, and the
> engine will respond just the same.

Here in southern Ontario winter temps sometimes get as cold as -30*F
and synthetic oil doesnt even BEGIN to thicken until ambient reaches
-45(Mobil 1)

Therefore in severe service and extreme climate conditions like we
experience here , synthetic is the way to go .

In the summer I use Mobil 1, 5W30 synthetic gray cap , in the winter I
use Mobil 1,15W30 yellow cap synthetic (15,000 mile gauranteed oil ).

(2002 Camry -4) I change my oil and filter, twice a year , spring and
fall, and car still uses no oil that I can discern on the dipstick.
(120,000k)

And runs like a dream.

For those interested I also use Lucas fuel treatment every tank full
of gas.

Being of a skeptical nature, when my son told me about it ? I
thought ? what have I got to lose ? so I tried it.

The car runs so much smoother now I cant really believe it.It took
about 4 tankfuls to start working but now its very smooth and quiet.
so it seems to work for me .Mileage is much better too.

I think what it does is clean the injectors and lubricate them , but
I`m only guessing , all I know is it DOES work.

In article
<79a2256f-5358-4bf8-9db0-5d150f221072@s8g2000prg.googlegroups.com>,
mred <mred@295.ca> wrote:

> For those interested I also use Lucas fuel treatment every tank full
> of gas.
>
> Being of a skeptical nature, when my son told me about it ? I
> thought ? what have I got to lose ? so I tried it.
>
> The car runs so much smoother now I cant really believe it.It took
> about 4 tankfuls to start working but now its very smooth and quiet.
> so it seems to work for me .Mileage is much better too.

You need to drive the car without knowing what's in it. Trust me, it
"runs so much smoother now" simply because your mind won't let you think
you wasted your money on that stuff.

Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
> In article
> <79a2256f-5358-4bf8-9db0-5d150f221072@s8g2000prg.googlegroups.com>,
> mred <mred@295.ca> wrote:
>
>> For those interested I also use Lucas fuel treatment every tank full
>> of gas.
>>
>> Being of a skeptical nature, when my son told me about it ? I
>> thought ? what have I got to lose ? so I tried it.
>>
>> The car runs so much smoother now I cant really believe it.It took
>> about 4 tankfuls to start working but now its very smooth and quiet.
>> so it seems to work for me .Mileage is much better too.
>
> You need to drive the car without knowing what's in it. Trust me, it
> "runs so much smoother now" simply because your mind won't let you think
> you wasted your money on that stuff.
>

i'm a huge skeptic, but even i can't completely dismiss everything like
this elmo. a true synthetic does offer advantages, as listed
previously. if you potter about town at 25 and change your oil every 6
weeks, you may well not benefit, but if your application is at the end
of the thermal, chemical or mechanical scales, you will.