Honda Car Forum

"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote

> In article <475cded5$0$8649$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>,
> "Polfus" <nostringscouldsecureyou@thestation> wrote:
>
>> > Have you done a double blind test against dino oils under the same
>> > circumstances in the same cars?
>>
>> "Double-blind" testing?
>>
>> What would make you suggest this methodology of engine oil "testing"?
>
> Because it's a good methodology for ANY testing.

He doesn't have two of the exact same car.

How do you suggest then that he do a "double-blind" study?

Peace,
Polfus

"Tony Harding" <ToHard@nowhere.org> wrote

>> And my original 1990 Accord has 192,000+ ( I just called my buddy that
>> has it ), and used Mobile 1 all the way. Still running, strong too, with
>> not one repair needed to the engine in 17 years.
>>
>> Not bad, eh?
>
> Not bad at all; but you're arguing "post hoc, ergo propter hoc" here,
> namely since you put 192k miles on your car and used Mobil 1, it's because
> you used Mobil 1, which is simply not proven.
>
> <not intended as a flame, BTW>

None taken.

However, the original poster wrote the first "post hoc, ergo propter hoc":

" I used nothing but dino in my 92 Civic Si. I sold it with 120K on it a
few years ago; my nephew drove it for three years, then he sold it with 145K
on it. All dino."

I simply countered with a similar logic that I figured he might understand.

Peace,
Polfus

"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote in message
news:elmop-0AD261.05460410122007@nntp1.usenetserver.com...
> In article <475cded5$0$8649$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>,
> "Polfus" <nostringscouldsecureyou@thestation> wrote:
>
>> > Then how do you know Mobil 1 is better than dino?
>> >
>> > I used nothing but dino in my 92 Civic Si. I sold it with 120K on it a
>> > few years ago; my nephew drove it for three years, then he sold it with
>> > 145K on it. All dino.
>>
>> That's not very convincing "double-blind" testing, if that's what you are
>> saying *you* did.
>
> I'm putting a counterpoint to your point.

Yeah, but I asked more questions than the single point you responded
to...mainly, about the Blackstone Labs testing results.

Peace,
Polfus

<nick@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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> The consensus for the past few years in this newsgroup have suggested
> that synthetic was the way to go. I would definitely like to see what
> some 2003+ engines look like on dino oil following the new Maintenance
> Minder schedule which can be between 5-7k miles. If you can also
> comment on how frequently you changed your oil, that would help in the
> discussion.


'01 EX-V6 with 195,000 miles on the odometer. Only using whatever dino oil
the local Carquest has. Don't change the oil till the flashing "maint"
light appears.

Only engine related repair done thus far is the EGR valve for which there
was a TSB on.

"Polfus" <nostringscouldsecureyou@thestation> wrote in message
news:475cded5$0$8649$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>
> And my original 1990 Accord has 192,000+ ( I just called my buddy that has
> it ), and used Mobile 1 all the way. Still running, strong too, with not
> one repair needed to the engine in 17 years.
>
> Not bad, eh?


'01 EX-V6 with 195,000 miles on the odometer. Only using whatever dino oil
the local Carquest has. Don't change the oil till the flashing "maint"
light appears.

Only engine related repair done thus far is the EGR valve for which there
was a TSB on.

Not bad, eh?

In article <475d8212$0$2351$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>,
"Polfus" <nostringscouldsecureyou@thestation> wrote:

> >> "Double-blind" testing?
> >>
> >> What would make you suggest this methodology of engine oil "testing"?
> >
> > Because it's a good methodology for ANY testing.
>
> He doesn't have two of the exact same car.
>
> How do you suggest then that he do a "double-blind" study?

It doesn't matter.

Without that, you can't make any claims. You say Mobil 1 worked for
you; I say for 1/5 the cost, dino works the exact same way and gives the
exact same results in any modern consumer Honda engine.

I know that for a fact. All you know is that you spent more and got the
same results I did. You don't know if spending more gives you more.

"Howard Lester" <heylester@dakotacom.net> wrote in news:13lpa20mve5nc88
@corp.supernews.com:

> "Polfus" wrote
>
>>> www.tegger.com/hondafaq/
>
>> Even though you took it over, I still like it and appreciate the link...
>
>
> That's really got to make Tegger feel good... ;-)
>
>



John Ings passed away of lung cancer a short while after he asked me to
take over the site for him. He asked me to assume care of the site because
he knew the end was coming.

--
Tegger

The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/

"Tegger" wrote

>>> Even though you took it over, I still like it and appreciate the link...
>>
>>
>> That's really got to make Tegger feel good... ;-)

> John Ings passed away of lung cancer a short while after he asked me to
> take over the site for him. He asked me to assume care of the site because
> he knew the end was coming.

That IS sad, and we thank you for taking it over. What I was addressing was
Polfus intimating that "despite you taking it over" he likes it anyway. I
don't think he/she meant it, but it was languaged that way.

"Howard Lester" <heylester@dakotacom.net> wrote in
news:13lrkomi0jsvi20@corp.supernews.com:

> "Tegger" wrote
>
>>>> Even though you took it over, I still like it and appreciate the
>>>> link...
>>>
>>>
>>> That's really got to make Tegger feel good... ;-)
>
>> John Ings passed away of lung cancer a short while after he asked me
>> to take over the site for him. He asked me to assume care of the site
>> because he knew the end was coming.
>
> That IS sad, and we thank you for taking it over. What I was
> addressing was Polfus intimating that "despite you taking it over" he
> likes it anyway. I don't think he/she meant it, but it was languaged
> that way.
>
>
>



I found Polfus's statement kind of funny, actually. I went through a few
drafts of a reply before I decided to get serious because I didn't know
what else to say.

His reply reminded me of an old Dilbert comic where the characters had to
go through one of those corporate "team building" exercises. This exercise
had to do with being required to say something nice about one of your
co-workers whom you didn't really like. The strip has Wally saying to
Alice, "In spite of your leathery skin, I admire your co-workers".

--
Tegger

The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/

"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote

> In article <475d8212$0$2351$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>,
> "Polfus" <nostringscouldsecureyou@thestation> wrote:
>
>> >> "Double-blind" testing?
>> >>
>> >> What would make you suggest this methodology of engine oil "testing"?
>> >
>> > Because it's a good methodology for ANY testing.
>>
>> He doesn't have two of the exact same car.
>>
>> How do you suggest then that he do a "double-blind" study?
>
> It doesn't matter.

Well it certainly did to you, sir.

> Without that, you can't make any claims.

Didn't stop you from doing so

> You say Mobil 1 worked for
> you; I say for 1/5 the cost,

Its not 5x as much....but go ahead...

> dino works the exact same way

Conventional oils provide same characteristics as synthetic oils?

You serious?

> and gives the
> exact same results in any modern consumer Honda engine.

Got a link to that info, or is that just your "double-blind" opinion?

> I know that for a fact. All you know is that you spent more and got the
> same results I did. You don't know if spending more gives you more.

Hey..think what you want...no skin off my skinny legs.

Peace,
Polfus