Honda Car Forum

Hey guys
I have a 98 civic, lately ive been noticing when driving on a cold
engine, at some point within the first 5 minutes the car will stumble
or hesitate idle and almost die... this only seems to happen on a cold
engine, or if I let the car sit a few hours. This also only happens
for about 10-15 seconds and then the car seems fine afterwards. It
happens both on the fly or sometimes when I'm stopped.

Its almost like the car is misfiring or in some way not getting gas.
But it only happens at one time (so far anyways) when the car is cold
for a very short period.

I would like to fix this problem before it becomes worse...each day
seems to be getting a little worse.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

85miles <85miles@gmail.com> wrote in news:1190313579.046801.223120
@o80g2000hse.googlegroups.com:

> Hey guys
> I have a 98 civic, lately ive been noticing when driving on a cold
> engine, at some point within the first 5 minutes the car will stumble
> or hesitate idle and almost die... this only seems to happen on a cold
> engine, or if I let the car sit a few hours. This also only happens
> for about 10-15 seconds and then the car seems fine afterwards. It
> happens both on the fly or sometimes when I'm stopped.
>
> Its almost like the car is misfiring or in some way not getting gas.
> But it only happens at one time (so far anyways) when the car is cold
> for a very short period.
>
> I would like to fix this problem before it becomes worse...each day
> seems to be getting a little worse.
>
> Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>
>


Check head gasket.

--
Tegger

The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/

85miles wrote:
> Hey guys
> I have a 98 civic, lately ive been noticing when driving on a cold
> engine, at some point within the first 5 minutes the car will stumble
> or hesitate idle and almost die... this only seems to happen on a cold
> engine, or if I let the car sit a few hours. This also only happens
> for about 10-15 seconds and then the car seems fine afterwards. It
> happens both on the fly or sometimes when I'm stopped.
>
> Its almost like the car is misfiring or in some way not getting gas.
> But it only happens at one time (so far anyways) when the car is cold
> for a very short period.
>
> I would like to fix this problem before it becomes worse...each day
> seems to be getting a little worse.
>
> Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>
how long since the distributor cap was last replaced? i'd check that
and the ignition parts in general.

85miles wrote:
> Hey guys
> I have a 98 civic, lately ive been noticing when driving on a cold
> engine, at some point within the first 5 minutes the car will stumble
> or hesitate idle and almost die... this only seems to happen on a cold
> engine, or if I let the car sit a few hours. This also only happens
> for about 10-15 seconds and then the car seems fine afterwards. It
> happens both on the fly or sometimes when I'm stopped.
>
> Its almost like the car is misfiring or in some way not getting gas.
> But it only happens at one time (so far anyways) when the car is cold
> for a very short period.
>
> I would like to fix this problem before it becomes worse...each day
> seems to be getting a little worse.
>
> Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>
==================================

I'd fill the reservoir to the MAX mark and watch if for three days. If
it drops, fill it again until it stops. I think you have AIR in your
cooling system. If the symptom persists, get the valves adjusted.

Has it ever stalled at a stop light during the warm-up cycle?

'Curly'

85miles wrote:
> Hey guys
> I have a 98 civic, lately ive been noticing when driving on a cold
> engine, at some point within the first 5 minutes the car will stumble
> or hesitate idle and almost die... this only seems to happen on a cold
> engine, or if I let the car sit a few hours. This also only happens
> for about 10-15 seconds and then the car seems fine afterwards. It
> happens both on the fly or sometimes when I'm stopped.
>
> Its almost like the car is misfiring or in some way not getting gas.
> But it only happens at one time (so far anyways) when the car is cold
> for a very short period.
>
> I would like to fix this problem before it becomes worse...each day
> seems to be getting a little worse.
>
> Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>


If you have platinum spark plugs: Replace them with OEM NGK plugs and
the problem will disappear.



Marco

marco wrote:
> 85miles wrote:
>> Hey guys
>> I have a 98 civic, lately ive been noticing when driving on a cold
>> engine, at some point within the first 5 minutes the car will stumble
>> or hesitate idle and almost die... this only seems to happen on a cold
>> engine, or if I let the car sit a few hours. This also only happens
>> for about 10-15 seconds and then the car seems fine afterwards. It
>> happens both on the fly or sometimes when I'm stopped.
>>
>> Its almost like the car is misfiring or in some way not getting gas.
>> But it only happens at one time (so far anyways) when the car is cold
>> for a very short period.
>>
>> I would like to fix this problem before it becomes worse...each day
>> seems to be getting a little worse.
>>
>> Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>>
>
>
> If you have platinum spark plugs: Replace them with OEM NGK plugs and
> the problem will disappear.
>
>
>
> Marco


Explanation:

Platinum plugs are meant to be used for like 3% or 4% of your car's
life. They are good for cleaning the carbon out of cylinders.

If the engine is already clean of carbon, then the platinum will cause
pre-detonation.

Platinum is a catalyst. In effect, it accelerates the burning of
hydrocarbons. Carbon deposits on pistons and valves in the cylinder
will be burned off by the platinum on Platinum plugs.

When the engine is clean, the platinum becomes a demon.

I learned this the hard way. Extra platinum leads to piston holes.



Marco

marco wrote:

<snip>

> Platinum plugs are meant to be used for like 3% or 4% of your car's
> life. They are good for cleaning the carbon out of cylinders.
>
> If the engine is already clean of carbon, then the platinum will cause
> pre-detonation.
>
> Platinum is a catalyst. In effect, it accelerates the burning of
> hydrocarbons. Carbon deposits on pistons and valves in the cylinder
> will be burned off by the platinum on Platinum plugs.
>
> When the engine is clean, the platinum becomes a demon.
>
> I learned this the hard way. Extra platinum leads to piston holes.
>
>
>
> Marco

I forgot to mention spun bearings, knocking rods, burned valves, and the
myriad other problems unexplained until platinum plugs are entered into
the mix.

Use them according to your owners manual. If in doubt, don't use them
and use OEM standards instead.

Anyways, your symptoms exactly match this prognosis, and it brought up
long repressed memories for me.. :-)



Marco

marco <marco@no.spam> wrote in news:13f78tabg77tj93@news.supernews.com:


>
> Platinum plugs are meant to be used for like 3% or 4% of your car's
> life. They are good for cleaning the carbon out of cylinders.
>
> If the engine is already clean of carbon, then the platinum will cause
> pre-detonation.
>
> Platinum is a catalyst. In effect, it accelerates the burning of
> hydrocarbons. Carbon deposits on pistons and valves in the cylinder
> will be burned off by the platinum on Platinum plugs.
>
> When the engine is clean, the platinum becomes a demon.
>
> I learned this the hard way. Extra platinum leads to piston holes.
>



I have no idea where you got all this from, but it's all nonsense.

Platinum is used on spark plug electrodes primarily because it resists
erosion, thus leading to longer electrode life.

It is NOT used on plugs for the purposes of combusting hydrocarbons.

You are confusing the functions of platinum on spark plugs with the
platinum used in catalytic converters. Same metal, different operating
environment and different effects.

If you put holes in your pistons at some point, you had /major/
detonation problems that were due to excessively advanced ignition
timing, or a very lean mixture. The plugs had zero to do with it.

--
Tegger

The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/

Tegger wrote:
<snip crap>
>
> I have no idea where you got all this from, but it's all nonsense.
>
> Platinum is used on spark plug electrodes primarily because it resists
> erosion, thus leading to longer electrode life.
>
> It is NOT used on plugs for the purposes of combusting hydrocarbons.
>
> You are confusing the functions of platinum on spark plugs with the
> platinum used in catalytic converters. Same metal, different operating
> environment and different effects.
>
> If you put holes in your pistons at some point, you had /major/
> detonation problems that were due to excessively advanced ignition
> timing, or a very lean mixture. The plugs had zero to do with it.
>
why did you respond? that guy is either a fruit loop or a troll.
either way, he's beyond help and should only be ignored.

Tegger wrote:
> marco <marco@no.spam> wrote in news:13f78tabg77tj93@news.supernews.com:
>
>
>> Platinum plugs are meant to be used for like 3% or 4% of your car's
>> life. They are good for cleaning the carbon out of cylinders.
>>
>> If the engine is already clean of carbon, then the platinum will cause
>> pre-detonation.
>>
>> Platinum is a catalyst. In effect, it accelerates the burning of
>> hydrocarbons. Carbon deposits on pistons and valves in the cylinder
>> will be burned off by the platinum on Platinum plugs.
>>
>> When the engine is clean, the platinum becomes a demon.
>>
>> I learned this the hard way. Extra platinum leads to piston holes.
>>
>
>
>
> I have no idea where you got all this from, but it's all nonsense.
>
> Platinum is used on spark plug electrodes primarily because it resists
> erosion, thus leading to longer electrode life.
>
> It is NOT used on plugs for the purposes of combusting hydrocarbons.
>
> You are confusing the functions of platinum on spark plugs with the
> platinum used in catalytic converters. Same metal, different operating
> environment and different effects.
>
> If you put holes in your pistons at some point, you had /major/
> detonation problems that were due to excessively advanced ignition
> timing, or a very lean mixture. The plugs had zero to do with it.
>

I never got holes in the pistons, etc. I was just passing on what
you're telling me is bad information.

I got most of it from a mechanic who preached on about the hazards of
using platinum plugs, and the only reason I believed the guy is because
he solved my problem by replacing my platinum plugs with OEM plugs.

I had spent a couple hundred bucks replacing plug wires, distributor,
etc.. to no avail. I even replaced the platinum plugs with new platinum
plugs.

Same symptoms as the OP, but in my case, the engine would occasionally
stop so hard that I went through 2 timing belts, and the
timing(distributor and belt) were exactly where they were supposed to
be.. If the fuel mixture in the cylinder fires early, before the piston
reaches the top... you tell me?

So, I got fed up and took it to the mechanic..


At any rate.. Even if I guilty of passing an urban myth, I do know that
$4.50 worth of spark plugs (plus $25 labor) saved my engine and my
sanity. Apparently, I don't know *exactly* why that is.



marco