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I have a 95 Honda Accord. Whenever we let it idle or drive for a while
afterward there is a boiling sound from the radiator overflow tank. At
first we thought it was just low so we filled it to the max and then
let it suck up whatever it needed and then refilled it. Now, it seems
to be at an adequate level but it's still boiling. The weird thing is
that the temperature gauge in the dash doesn't seem to register the
heat. It doesn't seem to be moving at all. We just had a friend
replace the thermostat like we thought the problem was from
originally, but that didn't seem to do the trick. Does anyone know
what the problem could be?

Lots of things. Is the fan coming on? Do you see a leak? Is there coolant
at the tail end of the exhaust pipe? If there is a leak, and you let it get
low enough, the "boiling" now could be the cooling system getting rid of
vestiges of air from the engine. Carry a jug of Honda Genuine coolant, and
if the level in the overflow tank goes down more, then you might have a
leak. If you ever over heated the engine, you might have a head gasket
leak.

Saludos cordiales,

Earle

<imblest11@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> I have a 95 Honda Accord. Whenever we let it idle or drive for a while
> afterward there is a boiling sound from the radiator overflow tank. At
> first we thought it was just low so we filled it to the max and then
> let it suck up whatever it needed and then refilled it. Now, it seems
> to be at an adequate level but it's still boiling. The weird thing is
> that the temperature gauge in the dash doesn't seem to register the
> heat. It doesn't seem to be moving at all. We just had a friend
> replace the thermostat like we thought the problem was from
> originally, but that didn't seem to do the trick. Does anyone know
> what the problem could be?
>



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imblest11@gmail.com wrote:
> I have a 95 Honda Accord. Whenever we let it idle or drive for a while
> afterward there is a boiling sound from the radiator overflow tank. At
> first we thought it was just low so we filled it to the max and then
> let it suck up whatever it needed and then refilled it. Now, it seems
> to be at an adequate level but it's still boiling. The weird thing is
> that the temperature gauge in the dash doesn't seem to register the
> heat. It doesn't seem to be moving at all. We just had a friend
> replace the thermostat like we thought the problem was from
> originally, but that didn't seem to do the trick. Does anyone know
> what the problem could be?
>
blown head gasket.

On Jul 5, 3:12 pm, "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burg...@usa.com> wrote:
> Lots of things. Is the fan coming on? Do you see a leak? Is there coolant
> at the tail end of the exhaust pipe? If there is a leak, and you let it get
> low enough, the "boiling" now could be the cooling system getting rid of
> vestiges of air from the engine. Carry a jug of Honda Genuine coolant, and
> if the level in the overflow tank goes down more, then you might have a
> leak. If you ever over heated the engine, you might have a head gasket
> leak.
>
> Saludos cordiales,
>
> Earle
>
> <imbles...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1183660801.144000.79620@n60g2000hse.googlegro ups.com...
>
> > I have a 95 Honda Accord. Whenever we let it idle or drive for a while
> > afterward there is a boiling sound from the radiator overflow tank. At
> > first we thought it was just low so we filled it to the max and then
> > let it suck up whatever it needed and then refilled it. Now, it seems
> > to be at an adequate level but it's still boiling. The weird thing is
> > that the temperature gauge in the dash doesn't seem to register the
> > heat. It doesn't seem to be moving at all. We just had a friend
> > replace the thermostat like we thought the problem was from
> > originally, but that didn't seem to do the trick. Does anyone know
> > what the problem could be?
>
> --
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The fans weren't coming on until we refilled it. Then it seemed like
only one of them was coming on. We didn't see any leaks though. We are
now thinking that maybe when we changed the thermostat that air got
into line and it is trying to get all that out. So I'm going to watch
for coolant in exhaust pipe and see if it stops "boiling" . If not
then I think it may be a head gasket which would not be good.

imblest11@gmail.com wrote:
> On Jul 5, 3:12 pm, "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burg...@usa.com> wrote:
>> Lots of things. Is the fan coming on? Do you see a leak? Is there coolant
>> at the tail end of the exhaust pipe? If there is a leak, and you let it get
>> low enough, the "boiling" now could be the cooling system getting rid of
>> vestiges of air from the engine. Carry a jug of Honda Genuine coolant, and
>> if the level in the overflow tank goes down more, then you might have a
>> leak. If you ever over heated the engine, you might have a head gasket
>> leak.
>>
>> Saludos cordiales,
>>
>> Earle
>>
>> <imbles...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:1183660801.144000.79620@n60g2000hse.googlegro ups.com...
>>
>>> I have a 95 Honda Accord. Whenever we let it idle or drive for a while
>>> afterward there is a boiling sound from the radiator overflow tank. At
>>> first we thought it was just low so we filled it to the max and then
>>> let it suck up whatever it needed and then refilled it. Now, it seems
>>> to be at an adequate level but it's still boiling. The weird thing is
>>> that the temperature gauge in the dash doesn't seem to register the
>>> heat. It doesn't seem to be moving at all. We just had a friend
>>> replace the thermostat like we thought the problem was from
>>> originally, but that didn't seem to do the trick. Does anyone know
>>> what the problem could be?
>> --
>> Posted via a free Usenet account fromhttp://www.teranews.com
>
> The fans weren't coming on until we refilled it. Then it seemed like
> only one of them was coming on. We didn't see any leaks though. We are
> now thinking that maybe when we changed the thermostat that air got
> into line and it is trying to get all that out. So I'm going to watch
> for coolant in exhaust pipe and see if it stops "boiling" . If not
> then I think it may be a head gasket which would not be good.
>
the expansion tank doesn't "boil", it's gas from a leaking head gasket
getting into the coolant and bubbling through to the only possible exit,
the expansion tank. coolant in the exhaust is only a late stage symptom.

sorry about the bad news, but you need to get this fixed right away
before damage to the head or block occurs. confirm with a hydrocarbon
chemical test of coolant fluid if you wish to be sure. but head gasket
is a 99.999% certainty.

if price is a factor, suggest you look into the cost of repair vs.
replacement of the motor. many head gasket repairs are not done well
and engines tend not to last well after surgery. it'll cost you $450 -
$600 for a low mileage used motor from japan - and labor to swap is less
than all the work necessary to do the gasket.

"jim beam" <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote in message
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> imblest11@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Jul 5, 3:12 pm, "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burg...@usa.com> wrote:
> >> Lots of things. Is the fan coming on? Do you see a leak? Is there
coolant
> >> at the tail end of the exhaust pipe? If there is a leak, and you let
it get
> >> low enough, the "boiling" now could be the cooling system getting rid
of
> >> vestiges of air from the engine. Carry a jug of Honda Genuine coolant,
and
> >> if the level in the overflow tank goes down more, then you might have a
> >> leak. If you ever over heated the engine, you might have a head gasket
> >> leak.
> >>
> >> Saludos cordiales,
> >>
> >> Earle
> >>
> >> <imbles...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >>
> >> news:1183660801.144000.79620@n60g2000hse.googlegro ups.com...
> >>
> >>> I have a 95 Honda Accord. Whenever we let it idle or drive for a while
> >>> afterward there is a boiling sound from the radiator overflow tank. At
> >>> first we thought it was just low so we filled it to the max and then
> >>> let it suck up whatever it needed and then refilled it. Now, it seems
> >>> to be at an adequate level but it's still boiling. The weird thing is
> >>> that the temperature gauge in the dash doesn't seem to register the
> >>> heat. It doesn't seem to be moving at all. We just had a friend
> >>> replace the thermostat like we thought the problem was from
> >>> originally, but that didn't seem to do the trick. Does anyone know
> >>> what the problem could be?
> >> --
> >> Posted via a free Usenet account fromhttp://www.teranews.com
> >
> > The fans weren't coming on until we refilled it. Then it seemed like
> > only one of them was coming on. We didn't see any leaks though. We are
> > now thinking that maybe when we changed the thermostat that air got
> > into line and it is trying to get all that out. So I'm going to watch
> > for coolant in exhaust pipe and see if it stops "boiling" . If not
> > then I think it may be a head gasket which would not be good.
> >
> the expansion tank doesn't "boil", it's gas from a leaking head gasket
> getting into the coolant and bubbling through to the only possible exit,
> the expansion tank. coolant in the exhaust is only a late stage symptom.
>
> sorry about the bad news, but you need to get this fixed right away
> before damage to the head or block occurs. confirm with a hydrocarbon
> chemical test of coolant fluid if you wish to be sure. but head gasket
> is a 99.999% certainty.
>
> if price is a factor, suggest you look into the cost of repair vs.
> replacement of the motor. many head gasket repairs are not done well
> and engines tend not to last well after surgery. it'll cost you $450 -
> $600 for a low mileage used motor from japan - and labor to swap is less
> than all the work necessary to do the gasket.

To add just a little, head gasket is moderately easy to replace, but
evaluating the head for damage is the tough part. That is why Jim is
recommending the used engine from Japan.

If you do the labor yourself or in exchange for beer, then it wouldn't be so
bad to replace the gasket hoping it would fix things. But if you are paying
a commercial garage rate, you can burn through the cash pretty fast, and
still wind up with problems.

Saludos cordiales,

Earle



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Earle Horton wrote:
> "jim beam" <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote in message
> news:r9udnec6NYL4_hDbnZ2dnUVZ_oGlnZ2d@speakeasy.ne t...
>> imblest11@gmail.com wrote:
>>> On Jul 5, 3:12 pm, "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burg...@usa.com> wrote:
>>>> Lots of things. Is the fan coming on? Do you see a leak? Is there
> coolant
>>>> at the tail end of the exhaust pipe? If there is a leak, and you let
> it get
>>>> low enough, the "boiling" now could be the cooling system getting rid
> of
>>>> vestiges of air from the engine. Carry a jug of Honda Genuine coolant,
> and
>>>> if the level in the overflow tank goes down more, then you might have a
>>>> leak. If you ever over heated the engine, you might have a head gasket
>>>> leak.
>>>>
>>>> Saludos cordiales,
>>>>
>>>> Earle
>>>>
>>>> <imbles...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>
>>>> news:1183660801.144000.79620@n60g2000hse.googlegro ups.com...
>>>>
>>>>> I have a 95 Honda Accord. Whenever we let it idle or drive for a while
>>>>> afterward there is a boiling sound from the radiator overflow tank. At
>>>>> first we thought it was just low so we filled it to the max and then
>>>>> let it suck up whatever it needed and then refilled it. Now, it seems
>>>>> to be at an adequate level but it's still boiling. The weird thing is
>>>>> that the temperature gauge in the dash doesn't seem to register the
>>>>> heat. It doesn't seem to be moving at all. We just had a friend
>>>>> replace the thermostat like we thought the problem was from
>>>>> originally, but that didn't seem to do the trick. Does anyone know
>>>>> what the problem could be?
>>>> --
>>>> Posted via a free Usenet account fromhttp://www.teranews.com
>>> The fans weren't coming on until we refilled it. Then it seemed like
>>> only one of them was coming on. We didn't see any leaks though. We are
>>> now thinking that maybe when we changed the thermostat that air got
>>> into line and it is trying to get all that out. So I'm going to watch
>>> for coolant in exhaust pipe and see if it stops "boiling" . If not
>>> then I think it may be a head gasket which would not be good.
>>>
>> the expansion tank doesn't "boil", it's gas from a leaking head gasket
>> getting into the coolant and bubbling through to the only possible exit,
>> the expansion tank. coolant in the exhaust is only a late stage symptom.
>>
>> sorry about the bad news, but you need to get this fixed right away
>> before damage to the head or block occurs. confirm with a hydrocarbon
>> chemical test of coolant fluid if you wish to be sure. but head gasket
>> is a 99.999% certainty.
>>
>> if price is a factor, suggest you look into the cost of repair vs.
>> replacement of the motor. many head gasket repairs are not done well
>> and engines tend not to last well after surgery. it'll cost you $450 -
>> $600 for a low mileage used motor from japan - and labor to swap is less
>> than all the work necessary to do the gasket.
>
> To add just a little, head gasket is moderately easy to replace, but
> evaluating the head for damage is the tough part.

kinda. it's relatively easy to check for warping. cracking is a little
harder, but not likely. the biggest problem is shops routinely skimming
heads when they don't need it, using abrasives, and then acting all
"surprised" when the motor's shot 9 months later.

> That is why Jim is
> recommending the used engine from Japan.
>
> If you do the labor yourself

if you're doing it yourself, and not pricing the time, it's cheap. but
you need to know what you're doing, need to have a few special tools.
with the honda, it's an 8 hour job if you're doing it carefully, and a
huge chunk of that is just the clean-up before reassembly. in the old
days where it's just a pushrod cast iron head/block, it's a breeze. you
can use a blunt scraper to clean the head/block and get it done in a
couple of hours at the most. once you get into the alloy head/block
thing, it's very time consuming with careful cleanup, overhead cam, cam
timing, etc., it gets to be a pita.

> or in exchange for beer, then it wouldn't be so
> bad to replace the gasket hoping it would fix things. But if you are paying
> a commercial garage rate, you can burn through the cash pretty fast, and
> still wind up with problems.

yes indeed.