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Most Toyota designs are not interference. They are all much lower
compression ratios than most hondas, but they have good fuel economy as well..

"RVS" <rahulvsamant@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1178293924.455143.257710@y5g2000hsa.googlegro ups.com...
> On May 4, 10:57 am, "Elmo P. Shagnasty" <e...@nastydesigns.com> wrote:
>> In article <f1em87$d8...@news.Stanford.EDU>, "w" <wqad...@stanford.edu>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > I seriously dont get it! If someone doesnt have enough money to throw
>> > out a
>> > few hundred bucks why would you call him a bastard or a miser...
>>
>> He's at best penny-wise and pound-foolish. He wants not to spend a few
>> hundred dollars today so that he may end up spending a few thousand
>> dollars down the road.
>>
>> As the Car Talk guys say, it's the cheapest man who spends the most.
>
> Whether i spend money or not ... whether i take a bus or not is my
> decision, If people always followed the manual or went to the dealer
> for everything, they would not have to come to this forum and listen
> to some of the asses on this site. It my car to destroy, may it be a
> few hundred now or a few thousand later. I came here to see if
> somebody had any contrary experiences. To those who gave me an honest
> opinion (most of who advised me to go get the work done now), i
> appreciate the advice and will follow it. To those who don't have a
> life and have about a dozen replies to a question from a guy they
> consider not worth answering, get a life. As for the marital advice
> from groups here, may be Elmo's wife can say how thats working out.
>
> Have had enough of these useless forums.
>
>
And, Why didn't the guy who asked about checking his airbag get the
same treatment? What, you too cheap to get yo' bag fixed?

Al G

In article <LoM_h.1475$hl7.840@newsfe03.lga>,
"Al G" <agerhart2@charter.net> wrote:

> > Whether i spend money or not ... whether i take a bus or not is my
> > decision, If people always followed the manual or went to the dealer
> > for everything, they would not have to come to this forum and listen
> > to some of the asses on this site. It my car to destroy, may it be a
> > few hundred now or a few thousand later. I came here to see if
> > somebody had any contrary experiences. To those who gave me an honest
> > opinion (most of who advised me to go get the work done now), i
> > appreciate the advice and will follow it. To those who don't have a
> > life and have about a dozen replies to a question from a guy they
> > consider not worth answering, get a life. As for the marital advice
> > from groups here, may be Elmo's wife can say how thats working out.
> >
> > Have had enough of these useless forums.
> >
> >
> And, Why didn't the guy who asked about checking his airbag get the
> same treatment? What, you too cheap to get yo' bag fixed?

In both cases, the advice was to go by what Honda's engineers had to say.

But in RVS's case, he read very plainly what the Honda engineers
said--and then came here to get permission to ignore it.

**** him, that cheapass bastard.

On Fri, 04 May 2007 17:03:41 -0400, "Elmo P. Shagnasty"
<elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote:

>In article <LoM_h.1475$hl7.840@newsfe03.lga>,
> "Al G" <agerhart2@charter.net> wrote:
>
>> > Whether i spend money or not ... whether i take a bus or not is my
>> > decision, If people always followed the manual or went to the dealer
>> > for everything, they would not have to come to this forum and listen
>> > to some of the asses on this site. It my car to destroy, may it be a
>> > few hundred now or a few thousand later. I came here to see if
>> > somebody had any contrary experiences. To those who gave me an honest
>> > opinion (most of who advised me to go get the work done now), i
>> > appreciate the advice and will follow it. To those who don't have a
>> > life and have about a dozen replies to a question from a guy they
>> > consider not worth answering, get a life. As for the marital advice
>> > from groups here, may be Elmo's wife can say how thats working out.
>> >
>> > Have had enough of these useless forums.
>> >
>> >
>> And, Why didn't the guy who asked about checking his airbag get the
>> same treatment? What, you too cheap to get yo' bag fixed?
>
>In both cases, the advice was to go by what Honda's engineers had to say.
>
>But in RVS's case, he read very plainly what the Honda engineers
>said--and then came here to get permission to ignore it.
>
>**** him, that cheapass bastard.

I have to defend RVS on this. I am somewhat of a CB myself. If the
CBs of the world didn't exist, how would you know that it isn't safe
to go past the manufacturers reco? So, if you haven't run RVS off
entirely, I will give him a little data.

The recommended change interval for my '98 Odyssey is 84 months/105K
miles. I replaced the belt at 98/79K. I felt comfortable extending
the time interval for several reasons: the mileage was very low, it
was driven gently most of the time, and (most important) replacing the
engine would not have been a financial hardship for me. I didn't lose
any sleep over this and in the end, I won the bet. YMMV.

Gordon McGrew <gRmEcMgOrVeEw@mindspring.com> wrote in
news:41hn33dai318i8nc83obr9tie860al7hvq@4ax.com:


>
> I have to defend RVS on this. I am somewhat of a CB myself. If the
> CBs of the world didn't exist, how would you know that it isn't safe
> to go past the manufacturers reco? So, if you haven't run RVS off
> entirely, I will give him a little data.
>
> The recommended change interval for my '98 Odyssey is 84 months/105K
> miles. I replaced the belt at 98/79K. I felt comfortable extending
> the time interval for several reasons: the mileage was very low, it
> was driven gently most of the time, and (most important) replacing the
> engine would not have been a financial hardship for me. I didn't lose
> any sleep over this and in the end, I won the bet. YMMV.



It's more temperature extremes than anything else that limits belt life
with regard to time. Honda is very specific on this point.

Honda builds in a considerable safety factor into their belt replacement
interval specs. This done, as I understand it, primarily due to the fact
that the engines are interference designs, and risk catastrophic damage
should the belt fail.

The upshot is that Honda belts often (but not always!) go a considerable
way past their official replacement point, and do not fail. The danger is
the cost of damage repair.

As you say, in your case it was a "bet". In a casino, who holds the
advantage, the house, or you? Not everybody would be comfortable betting
zero with the risk of losing $2000, when $400 would remove the risk
entirely.

--
Tegger

The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/

loewent via CarKB.com wrote:
> Most Toyota designs are not interference. They are all much lower
> compression ratios than most hondas, but they have good fuel economy as well..

sure, toyotas make great motors. but the ones with the same specific
output as the hondas are high compression interference are they not?

"loewent via CarKB.com" <u10197@uwe> wrote in news:71aeecc2fc230@uwe:

> Most Toyota designs are not interference.



Nominally, that's true. But there are quite a few Toyota engines that
become "interference" once a bit of carbon has built up. There's not a lot
of clearance in those "non-interference" engines.



> They are all much lower
> compression ratios than most hondas,


No, same ratios. Sometimes even higher. For example, the Prius's engine is
13:1, believe it or not.



--
Tegger

The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/

Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:

> In article <TdJ_h.102925$VU4.32981@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
> Grumpy AuContraire <Grumpy@ExtraGrumpyville.com> wrote:
>
>
>>>That's fine. We've had enough of cheap bastards.
>>>
>>
>>
>>Wait a minnit thar' Elmo... I'm a cheap bas... er, frugal, grumpy and..
>>
>>Why else would I be driving low priced '82 & '83 Civics!?
>
>
> Yer not a cheap bastard. A cheap bastard knows the price of everything
> and the value of nothing.
>
> You, sir, plainly understand value.
>


Honestly... I don't think I could bring myself to buy a "new" car even
if I hit the zillion dollar lotto and there's fat chance of that since I
never play.

My goal in life nowadays is to cheat the corporations of their profit,
to deny the politicians their booty and to just generally aggravate the
great mass of sheeple that inhabit our lonely planet.

And, thank you for not takin' prisoners!

JT