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jim beam <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote in
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> none of this is really the point. the point is, the dealer needs to
> fix it, and fix it *now*. if they have to replace the whole drive
> train and control system to achieve that, so be it.
>


Or maybe the OP needs to find a different, more competent dealer.

(How do some of these idiots retain their franchises?)

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KellyCrash wrote:
>
> In the beginning I was told the engine was misfiring on all cylinders
>
> The misfire codes are P0300, P0301, P0302, P0303, P0304, P0305, &
> P0306.
>
> It only misfires when started from cold in the morning. I'm sure
> they're only able to get the error in the morning first thing. They
> can't recreate it after so they wait for it to cool down. I know that
> is part of the problem why they've had the car so long, but it seems to
> me they've had it plenty of time to be able to fix it.
>
> They replaced the coil, replaced the sensor, cleaned the fuel
> injectors, replaced a fuel injector.
>

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Now things are starting to make more sense. I can understand them
replacing an injector if they think you've got flooding / misfire
troubles. I don't know the whole story, but if this problem only happens
after the Honda has sat overnight, you may have a _dribbling injector_.

Did anybody ever suggest that you should use injector cleaner a couple
times a year to keep you Honda working it's best? You should, or at
least a few tanks of gasohol per year.

Look at what you owner's manual says about 'starting the engine'. It
describes starting in extreme cold, high altitude, and when flooded.
Almost any injected car can get flooded if one injector isn't sealing
shut. It allows all the pressure in the fuel rail to dribble into
cylinder 'x' overnight, and in the morning the engine spins but won't
start for a while, if at all. V6 isn't as bad because one 'bank' of
cylinders isn't flooded nearly as bad as the others, but with a
four-banger you're screwed if you don't know to hold your foot to the
floor and just crank it until it blows a big black PUFF and sputters to
life.

I think your dealer is a dope.

'Curly'

I have many choice words for you, but I am an adult therefore I will
just keep them to myself.
I came here because I needed advice on WHAT TO DO. I don't need your
condescending tone. I apologize if I am not as well versed in cars and
as knowledgable on what options are available to me. If I was I
wouldn't have the need to post here.

I will check into the lemon law. I did a quick look online and saw
that the NC lemon law covers cars purchased in NC. My car was
purchased in MA and is currently being serviced in NC.

Thanks for that advice.

jim beam wrote:
> KellyCrash wrote:
> > My car is still at the Honda dealer....
> >
> > They replaced the coil. They replaced the sensor. Engine still
> > misfiring. They cleaned the fuel injectors. Engine still misfiring.
> > Last I heard they had replaced a fuel injector and are testing it.
> >
> > I have called the 800# way back when I first started posting here. I
> > play phone tag with the rep. I ask her to call my cell #. There is at
> > least a week between return calls that will go by. She never calls my
> > cell#. She always calls my home # when I'm not here. I have gotten
> > several surveys regarding recent service that I have turned with
> > dissatisfied/poor.
> >
> > It seems like no one cares. The dealership does not call to update me
> > on the status of the car. I have to call if I want to know what's
> > going on.
> >
> > I'm thoroughly discouraged. My husband & I are talking about trading
> > the car in (when/if I ever get it back) for a minivan. Unfortunately
> > the only one I want is the Odyessy, but if this is the way Honda is
> > going to treat me, I doubt we'll even consider it.
> >
> kelly, come on, be an adult here. you have remedy in law if you can't
> get willing cooperation from the dealer or manufacturer. call an
> attorney that specializes in lemon law returns. then buy another car
> from a different dealer and never ever return to these clowns again. EVER!
>
> seriously, get a grip on the situation and stop wringing your hands like
> a victim. no one wants to hear that. they want to solve the situation
> and move on.

KellyCrash wrote:
> I have many choice words for you, but I am an adult therefore I will
> just keep them to myself.
> I came here because I needed advice on WHAT TO DO. I don't need your
> condescending tone. I apologize if I am not as well versed in cars and
> as knowledgable on what options are available to me. If I was I
> wouldn't have the need to post here.

sorry you feel slighted kelly, but what i told you is the truth. the
only way a dealer can hang on to a vehicle this long and run the clock
out on you is if you let them walk all over you, and with respect,
that's exactly what you're letting them do. they can't do it if you
don't let them because you have legal rights. but /you/ have to stand
up for yourself and use them.

do you think the dealer would try the same trick on me? if not, why
not? that is the question you need to address - it's not about the car.

>
> I will check into the lemon law. I did a quick look online and saw
> that the NC lemon law covers cars purchased in NC. My car was
> purchased in MA and is currently being serviced in NC.
>
> Thanks for that advice.
>
> jim beam wrote:
>> KellyCrash wrote:
>>> My car is still at the Honda dealer....
>>>
>>> They replaced the coil. They replaced the sensor. Engine still
>>> misfiring. They cleaned the fuel injectors. Engine still misfiring.
>>> Last I heard they had replaced a fuel injector and are testing it.
>>>
>>> I have called the 800# way back when I first started posting here. I
>>> play phone tag with the rep. I ask her to call my cell #. There is at
>>> least a week between return calls that will go by. She never calls my
>>> cell#. She always calls my home # when I'm not here. I have gotten
>>> several surveys regarding recent service that I have turned with
>>> dissatisfied/poor.
>>>
>>> It seems like no one cares. The dealership does not call to update me
>>> on the status of the car. I have to call if I want to know what's
>>> going on.
>>>
>>> I'm thoroughly discouraged. My husband & I are talking about trading
>>> the car in (when/if I ever get it back) for a minivan. Unfortunately
>>> the only one I want is the Odyessy, but if this is the way Honda is
>>> going to treat me, I doubt we'll even consider it.
>>>
>> kelly, come on, be an adult here. you have remedy in law if you can't
>> get willing cooperation from the dealer or manufacturer. call an
>> attorney that specializes in lemon law returns. then buy another car
>> from a different dealer and never ever return to these clowns again. EVER!
>>
>> seriously, get a grip on the situation and stop wringing your hands like
>> a victim. no one wants to hear that. they want to solve the situation
>> and move on.
>

what the **** ever!!!

I don't know how loud I can yell or how many phone calls I can make to
the dealership or the 800# as others have suggested.

i have other things going on in my life that i don't have time to
devote hours to this problem everyday.

i did contact an attorneys office & i am gathering all the
documentation they have requested. we'll see where we get with it.

jim beam wrote:
> KellyCrash wrote:
> > I have many choice words for you, but I am an adult therefore I will
> > just keep them to myself.
> > I came here because I needed advice on WHAT TO DO. I don't need your
> > condescending tone. I apologize if I am not as well versed in cars and
> > as knowledgable on what options are available to me. If I was I
> > wouldn't have the need to post here.
>
> sorry you feel slighted kelly, but what i told you is the truth. the
> only way a dealer can hang on to a vehicle this long and run the clock
> out on you is if you let them walk all over you, and with respect,
> that's exactly what you're letting them do. they can't do it if you
> don't let them because you have legal rights. but /you/ have to stand
> up for yourself and use them.
>
> do you think the dealer would try the same trick on me? if not, why
> not? that is the question you need to address - it's not about the car.
>
> >
> > I will check into the lemon law. I did a quick look online and saw
> > that the NC lemon law covers cars purchased in NC. My car was
> > purchased in MA and is currently being serviced in NC.
> >
> > Thanks for that advice.
> >
> > jim beam wrote:
> >> KellyCrash wrote:
> >>> My car is still at the Honda dealer....
> >>>
> >>> They replaced the coil. They replaced the sensor. Engine still
> >>> misfiring. They cleaned the fuel injectors. Engine still misfiring.
> >>> Last I heard they had replaced a fuel injector and are testing it.
> >>>
> >>> I have called the 800# way back when I first started posting here. I
> >>> play phone tag with the rep. I ask her to call my cell #. There is at
> >>> least a week between return calls that will go by. She never calls my
> >>> cell#. She always calls my home # when I'm not here. I have gotten
> >>> several surveys regarding recent service that I have turned with
> >>> dissatisfied/poor.
> >>>
> >>> It seems like no one cares. The dealership does not call to update me
> >>> on the status of the car. I have to call if I want to know what's
> >>> going on.
> >>>
> >>> I'm thoroughly discouraged. My husband & I are talking about trading
> >>> the car in (when/if I ever get it back) for a minivan. Unfortunately
> >>> the only one I want is the Odyessy, but if this is the way Honda is
> >>> going to treat me, I doubt we'll even consider it.
> >>>
> >> kelly, come on, be an adult here. you have remedy in law if you can't
> >> get willing cooperation from the dealer or manufacturer. call an
> >> attorney that specializes in lemon law returns. then buy another car
> >> from a different dealer and never ever return to these clowns again. EVER!
> >>
> >> seriously, get a grip on the situation and stop wringing your hands like
> >> a victim. no one wants to hear that. they want to solve the situation
> >> and move on.
> >

Kelly, the Beamer pulls this stuff so often on so many
different people it's obvious to me he is dealing with his
own issues. Granted now and then he has something
constructive to contribute, and with luck he won't package
it too stupidly. But he does sometimes, and this exchange is
a prime example.

Do not let it get you down. Take the constructive advice of
the others here.

"KellyCrash" <Kelly.Creeron@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1160497008.182776.67100@c28g2000cwb.googlegro ups.com...
> what the **** ever!!!
>
> I don't know how loud I can yell or how many phone calls I can make to
> the dealership or the 800# as others have suggested.
>
> i have other things going on in my life that i don't have time to
> devote hours to this problem everyday.
>
> i did contact an attorneys office & i am gathering all the
> documentation they have requested. we'll see where we get with it.

Phone calls are fine initially, but I have always found that putting the
issue in writing is more useful because you have a written record. If the
reply comes in the form of a phone call rather than a letter, make a memo
for the record of what was said and so forth,

>
> jim beam wrote:
> > KellyCrash wrote:
> > > I have many choice words for you, but I am an adult therefore I will
> > > just keep them to myself.
> > > I came here because I needed advice on WHAT TO DO. I don't need your
> > > condescending tone. I apologize if I am not as well versed in cars
and
> > > as knowledgable on what options are available to me. If I was I
> > > wouldn't have the need to post here.
> >
> > sorry you feel slighted kelly, but what i told you is the truth. the
> > only way a dealer can hang on to a vehicle this long and run the clock
> > out on you is if you let them walk all over you, and with respect,
> > that's exactly what you're letting them do. they can't do it if you
> > don't let them because you have legal rights. but /you/ have to stand
> > up for yourself and use them.
> >
> > do you think the dealer would try the same trick on me? if not, why
> > not? that is the question you need to address - it's not about the car.
> >
> > >
> > > I will check into the lemon law. I did a quick look online and saw
> > > that the NC lemon law covers cars purchased in NC. My car was
> > > purchased in MA and is currently being serviced in NC.
> > >
> > > Thanks for that advice.
> > >
> > > jim beam wrote:
> > >> KellyCrash wrote:
> > >>> My car is still at the Honda dealer....
> > >>>
> > >>> They replaced the coil. They replaced the sensor. Engine still
> > >>> misfiring. They cleaned the fuel injectors. Engine still
misfiring.
> > >>> Last I heard they had replaced a fuel injector and are testing it.
> > >>>
> > >>> I have called the 800# way back when I first started posting here.
I
> > >>> play phone tag with the rep. I ask her to call my cell #. There is
at
> > >>> least a week between return calls that will go by. She never calls
my
> > >>> cell#. She always calls my home # when I'm not here. I have gotten
> > >>> several surveys regarding recent service that I have turned with
> > >>> dissatisfied/poor.
> > >>>
> > >>> It seems like no one cares. The dealership does not call to update
me
> > >>> on the status of the car. I have to call if I want to know what's
> > >>> going on.
> > >>>
> > >>> I'm thoroughly discouraged. My husband & I are talking about
trading
> > >>> the car in (when/if I ever get it back) for a minivan.
Unfortunately
> > >>> the only one I want is the Odyessy, but if this is the way Honda is
> > >>> going to treat me, I doubt we'll even consider it.
> > >>>
> > >> kelly, come on, be an adult here. you have remedy in law if you
can't
> > >> get willing cooperation from the dealer or manufacturer. call an
> > >> attorney that specializes in lemon law returns. then buy another car
> > >> from a different dealer and never ever return to these clowns again.
EVER!
> > >>
> > >> seriously, get a grip on the situation and stop wringing your hands
like
> > >> a victim. no one wants to hear that. they want to solve the
situation
> > >> and move on.
> > >
>

tww

because i don't think i have much to stand on in way of the lemon laws
of MA or NC i was beginning to think of other options. NC lemon law is
for cars sold in NC. MA lemon law is for cars sold in MA. my initial
research shows my car wouldn't come under either because of the mileage
being 46K.

the other day i wrote down a list of dates to i could keep track in my
head of everything that has happened. today marks 51 days my car has
been at the dealer since 7/30.

i think contacting the state atty general and perhaps a reporter that
investigages consumer issues might be a better way to go along with a
letter to Honda. someone above this moron i've been dealing with on
the 800#.

does anyone know who i should address my letter to at honda or an
address?


tww wrote:
> "KellyCrash" <Kelly.Creeron@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1160497008.182776.67100@c28g2000cwb.googlegro ups.com...
> > what the **** ever!!!
> >
> > I don't know how loud I can yell or how many phone calls I can make to
> > the dealership or the 800# as others have suggested.
> >
> > i have other things going on in my life that i don't have time to
> > devote hours to this problem everyday.
> >
> > i did contact an attorneys office & i am gathering all the
> > documentation they have requested. we'll see where we get with it.
>
> Phone calls are fine initially, but I have always found that putting the
> issue in writing is more useful because you have a written record. If the
> reply comes in the form of a phone call rather than a letter, make a memo
> for the record of what was said and so forth,
>
> >
> > jim beam wrote:
> > > KellyCrash wrote:
> > > > I have many choice words for you, but I am an adult therefore I will
> > > > just keep them to myself.
> > > > I came here because I needed advice on WHAT TO DO. I don't need your
> > > > condescending tone. I apologize if I am not as well versed in cars
> and
> > > > as knowledgable on what options are available to me. If I was I
> > > > wouldn't have the need to post here.
> > >
> > > sorry you feel slighted kelly, but what i told you is the truth. the
> > > only way a dealer can hang on to a vehicle this long and run the clock
> > > out on you is if you let them walk all over you, and with respect,
> > > that's exactly what you're letting them do. they can't do it if you
> > > don't let them because you have legal rights. but /you/ have to stand
> > > up for yourself and use them.
> > >
> > > do you think the dealer would try the same trick on me? if not, why
> > > not? that is the question you need to address - it's not about the car.
> > >
> > > >
> > > > I will check into the lemon law. I did a quick look online and saw
> > > > that the NC lemon law covers cars purchased in NC. My car was
> > > > purchased in MA and is currently being serviced in NC.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for that advice.
> > > >
> > > > jim beam wrote:
> > > >> KellyCrash wrote:
> > > >>> My car is still at the Honda dealer....
> > > >>>
> > > >>> They replaced the coil. They replaced the sensor. Engine still
> > > >>> misfiring. They cleaned the fuel injectors. Engine still
> misfiring.
> > > >>> Last I heard they had replaced a fuel injector and are testing it.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> I have called the 800# way back when I first started posting here.
> I
> > > >>> play phone tag with the rep. I ask her to call my cell #. There is
> at
> > > >>> least a week between return calls that will go by. She never calls
> my
> > > >>> cell#. She always calls my home # when I'm not here. I have gotten
> > > >>> several surveys regarding recent service that I have turned with
> > > >>> dissatisfied/poor.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> It seems like no one cares. The dealership does not call to update
> me
> > > >>> on the status of the car. I have to call if I want to know what's
> > > >>> going on.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> I'm thoroughly discouraged. My husband & I are talking about
> trading
> > > >>> the car in (when/if I ever get it back) for a minivan.
> Unfortunately
> > > >>> the only one I want is the Odyessy, but if this is the way Honda is
> > > >>> going to treat me, I doubt we'll even consider it.
> > > >>>
> > > >> kelly, come on, be an adult here. you have remedy in law if you
> can't
> > > >> get willing cooperation from the dealer or manufacturer. call an
> > > >> attorney that specializes in lemon law returns. then buy another car
> > > >> from a different dealer and never ever return to these clowns again.
> EVER!
> > > >>
> > > >> seriously, get a grip on the situation and stop wringing your hands
> like
> > > >> a victim. no one wants to hear that. they want to solve the
> situation
> > > >> and move on.
> > > >
> >

Thanks Elle.

Elle wrote:
> Kelly, the Beamer pulls this stuff so often on so many
> different people it's obvious to me he is dealing with his
> own issues. Granted now and then he has something
> constructive to contribute, and with luck he won't package
> it too stupidly. But he does sometimes, and this exchange is
> a prime example.
>
> Do not let it get you down. Take the constructive advice of
> the others here.

"KellyCrash" <Kelly.Creeron@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1160616752.129231.327490@i42g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
> tww
>
> because i don't think i have much to stand on in way of the lemon laws
> of MA or NC i was beginning to think of other options. NC lemon law is
> for cars sold in NC. MA lemon law is for cars sold in MA. my initial
> research shows my car wouldn't come under either because of the mileage
> being 46K.
>
> the other day i wrote down a list of dates to i could keep track in my
> head of everything that has happened. today marks 51 days my car has
> been at the dealer since 7/30.
>
> i think contacting the state atty general and perhaps a reporter that
> investigages consumer issues might be a better way to go along with a
> letter to Honda. someone above this moron i've been dealing with on
> the 800#.

Why not just picking up your car from the dealer (with a tow truck if need
be) and having it brought elsewhere?