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ok i have a 92 acura integra i just replaced teh clutch myself and it
the tranny leaked fluid. does anybody know how fill it up again and do
i use gear oil?. the guy at autozone told it used motor oil, can
someone let me know if i dhould use motor or gear oil. thankx for your
help in advanced,,,,hector

"hector" <HOTBOY1310@YAHOO.COM> wrote in news:1158657903.841631.186760
@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com:

> ok i have a 92 acura integra i just replaced teh clutch myself and it
> the tranny leaked fluid. does anybody know how fill it up again and do
> i use gear oil?. the guy at autozone told it used motor oil, can
> someone let me know if i dhould use motor or gear oil. thankx for your
> help in advanced,,,,hector
>
>


Where did it leak fluid? If it was leaking from behind the release bearing,
you have a leaking oil seal, and the only cure is a rebuild.

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teg, mebbe during the clutch install process, he had some fluid leaked
out...

yeap, use motor oil as the manufacturer stated

> For your 1992 Acura Integra:
>
> SPEC-FLUID-TYPE/WT SG Motor oil
>
> Weight = 10W-30, 10W-40
>
>
>
> Lubrication Hotline
>
> Call 1-800-373-LUBE (5823) for technical information
> on engine oil, gear oil, grease & transmission fluid.
> Open monday through friday 8AM to 5PM central time.


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ricebike <ricebike.2edtkx@no-mx.nodomain.com> wrote in
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>
> teg, mebbe during the clutch install process, he had some fluid leaked
> out...
>
> yeap, use motor oil as the manufacturer stated



NO! Use Honda MTL. The 10W-30 sold now is nowhere what it was in the early
'90s. Do not trust aftermarket solutions, no matter how good thay are
supposed to be.

Honda no longer recommends the use of 10W-30.


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> NO! Use Honda MTL. The 10W-30 sold now is nowhere what it was in the
> early
> '90s. Do not trust aftermarket solutions, no matter how good thay are
> supposed to be.
>
> Honda no longer recommends the use of 10W-30.
>

holy crap! did all other previous honda owners of earlier models were
notified of this??? is there a national bulletin sent to the owners of
manual-clutched hondas that state to use honda-only-approved manual
transmission lube???

I'm just curious about it, teg... thanks for providing any links to
this


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ricebike wrote:
>> NO! Use Honda MTL. The 10W-30 sold now is nowhere what it was in the
>> early
>> '90s. Do not trust aftermarket solutions, no matter how good thay are
>> supposed to be.
>>
>> Honda no longer recommends the use of 10W-30.
>>
>
> holy crap! did all other previous honda owners of earlier models were
> notified of this??? is there a national bulletin sent to the owners of
> manual-clutched hondas that state to use honda-only-approved manual
> transmission lube???

well /you/ clearly missed the memo. truth is, back in the early 90's
motor oil additives were ok for transmissions. that's why the owner
manuals printed at that time said it was ok to use them. but today, due
to emissions regs, motor oil formulations have changed and motor oils
are /not/ considered appropriate for transmission use. real simple -
the transmissions haven't changed but the oils have.

>
> I'm just curious about it, teg... thanks for providing any links to
> this
>
>

jim beam wrote:
> ricebike wrote:
>
>>> NO! Use Honda MTL. The 10W-30 sold now is nowhere what it was in the
>>> early
>>> '90s. Do not trust aftermarket solutions, no matter how good thay are
>>> supposed to be.
>>>
>>> Honda no longer recommends the use of 10W-30.
>>>
>>
>> holy crap! did all other previous honda owners of earlier models were
>> notified of this??? is there a national bulletin sent to the owners of
>> manual-clutched hondas that state to use honda-only-approved manual
>> transmission lube???
>
>
> well /you/ clearly missed the memo.

Where was this memo? Because here in r.a.m.h is the first I've heard of the
concept. You'd think if it was that horrid a problem, there would be a TSB or
something sent out to all Honda owners, like they do with recall notices. If I
didn't read TeGGeR's posts, I'd never know any better. I can't imagine my
3gee's tranny is going to fall out because I just topped it up with 10W30...

Matt Ion wrote:
> jim beam wrote:
>> ricebike wrote:
>>
>>>> NO! Use Honda MTL. The 10W-30 sold now is nowhere what it was in the
>>>> early
>>>> '90s. Do not trust aftermarket solutions, no matter how good thay are
>>>> supposed to be.
>>>>
>>>> Honda no longer recommends the use of 10W-30.
>>>>
>>>
>>> holy crap! did all other previous honda owners of earlier models were
>>> notified of this??? is there a national bulletin sent to the owners of
>>> manual-clutched hondas that state to use honda-only-approved manual
>>> transmission lube???
>>
>>
>> well /you/ clearly missed the memo.
>
> Where was this memo? Because here in r.a.m.h is the first I've heard of
> the concept. You'd think if it was that horrid a problem, there would
> be a TSB or something sent out to all Honda owners, like they do with
> recall notices. If I didn't read TeGGeR's posts, I'd never know any
> better. I can't imagine my 3gee's tranny is going to fall out because I
> just topped it up with 10W30...

so ignorance is ok? i don't get it.

"Matt Ion" <soundy@moltenimage.com> wrote
> jim beam wrote:
>> ricebike wrote:
T wrote
>>>> Honda no longer recommends the use of 10W-30.
>>>>
>>>
>>> holy crap! did all other previous honda owners of
>>> earlier models were
>>> notified of this??? is there a national bulletin sent to
>>> the owners of
>>> manual-clutched hondas that state to use
>>> honda-only-approved manual
>>> transmission lube???
>>
>>
>> well /you/ clearly missed the memo.
>
> Where was this memo? Because here in r.a.m.h is the first
> I've heard of the concept. You'd think if it was that
> horrid a problem, there would be a TSB or something sent
> out to all Honda owners, like they do with recall notices.
> If I didn't read TeGGeR's posts, I'd never know any
> better. I can't imagine my 3gee's tranny is going to fall
> out because I just topped it up with 10W30...

Not to be too impertinent, but I think the good fellows are
playing around with you and others a bit. Here's all the
official documentation I have sen on this subject.

1.
http://www.honda.com.au/buying+a+honda/parts/ , which says:
"Honda MTF Plus Manual Transmission Fluid has been
specifically formulated for use in all Honda manual
transmissions. MTF Plus is designed to provide smoother
shifting operation at all temperatures over the life of the
fluid."


2.
Tegger posted awhile back an example from the '02 RS-X
manual (pg 13-4): "Always use Honda Manual Transmission
Fluid (MTF). Using motor oil can cause stiffer shifting
because it does not contain the correct additives."

3.
From the 2005 Civic owner's manual (and I'm betting all of
the more recent owner's manuals):
"If Honda MTF is not available, you may use an SAE 10W-30 or
10W-40 viscosity motor oil with the API Certification seal
that says 'FOR GASOLINE ENGINES' as a temporary replacement.
However, motor oil does not contain the proper additives,
and continued use can cause stiffer shifting. Replace as
soon as it is convenient." [A number of folks here over the
last several years have offered more remarks on how oil
chemistry technology has changed to the detriment of its
performance as a manual tranny lubricant.]

4.
Many reports on the net attest to the better shifting with
the Honda MTF. I switched to the Honda MTF just last week
and think the shifting is smoother, though not profoundly.

5.
The Honda MTF container says on it that one may increase the
time between MTF changes by using it.

6.
Lastly, to me the clincher: The 2005 Honda Civic owner's
manual gives a maintenance interval for the MTF of 6
years/120k miles (normal driving conditions). Contrast this
with my 91 Civic owner's manual maintenance interval for the
MTF: 2 years/60k miles (normal driving conditions). At least
going by the years limiter, the cost of using the Honda OEM
MTF ($12/6 years) is about the same as that using ordinary
engine oil ($4/2 years). To me the chatter on the net added
to what Honda says in its manuals and some sites means one
is erring on the safe side by going with the Honda OEM MTF.

jim beam wrote:
> Matt Ion wrote:
>
>> jim beam wrote:
>>
>>> ricebike wrote:
>>>
>>>>> NO! Use Honda MTL. The 10W-30 sold now is nowhere what it was in the
>>>>> early
>>>>> '90s. Do not trust aftermarket solutions, no matter how good thay are
>>>>> supposed to be.
>>>>>
>>>>> Honda no longer recommends the use of 10W-30.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> holy crap! did all other previous honda owners of earlier models were
>>>> notified of this??? is there a national bulletin sent to the owners of
>>>> manual-clutched hondas that state to use honda-only-approved manual
>>>> transmission lube???
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> well /you/ clearly missed the memo.
>>
>>
>> Where was this memo? Because here in r.a.m.h is the first I've heard
>> of the concept. You'd think if it was that horrid a problem, there
>> would be a TSB or something sent out to all Honda owners, like they do
>> with recall notices. If I didn't read TeGGeR's posts, I'd never know
>> any better. I can't imagine my 3gee's tranny is going to fall out
>> because I just topped it up with 10W30...
>
>
> so ignorance is ok? i don't get it.

No, I'm just wondering why if it's such a critical thing, there isn't a lot more
widespread information about it.

Anyone who's paid any attention to news sources the past week knows not to buy
California spinach. So far there've been no widespread warnings about putting
modern motor oils in your older Honda transmissions, so I can only conclude it's
really not that big an issue.

FWIW, I'm on my third MT '87 Accord now, with a combined mileage across the
three of almost 1.2 million kilometers, all running 10W30 in the transmissions,
with no problems yet.