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#21 (**permalink**) 13 Sep 2006, 08:43 pm

Earle Horton wrote:
> Whatever. It's an automatic, isn't it, with a torque converter?

no, it's cvt, continuously variable transmission.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continu...e_transmission

> The manual
> I got with the HX recommends changing the fluid in the cvt every 15,000
> miles, which says to me that it is a transmission that is continuously
> wearing itself out as you use it. And that will be Honda Genuine
> Transmission Fluid too. I don' need no stinkin' automatic, thanks. You can
> pry the stick shift from my cold, dead hands.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Earle
>
> "jim beam" <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote in message
> news:6P2dnTM3ia1fGZrYnZ2dnUVZ_omdnZ2d@speakeasy.ne t...
>> Earle Horton wrote:
>>> You mis-spelled "junk". I got the stick shift.
>> no i didn't. the cvt will give you better mileage - it's always in
>> /exactly/ the most efficient ratio.
>>
>>> Earle
>>>
>>> "jim beam" <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote in message
>>> news:CPudnRCOIZv9HJrYnZ2dnUVZ_vGdnZ2d@speakeasy.ne t...
>>>> Earle Horton wrote:
>>>>> My 1999 HX, "special" low emissions, high mileage model, gets 40-45
> mpg.
>>>> that hx, with cvt, is a wonder, the cvt part particularly - it makes a
>>>> /huge/ difference. "hybrid" is bunk.
>>>>
>>>>> Earle
>>>>>
>>>>> "Grumpy AuContraire" <Grumpster@GrumpyvilleNOT.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:45077D67.E0A299AE@GrumpyvilleNOT.com...
>>>>>> My ancient '83 Civic just runs better and better. Today's fill up -
>>>>>> 41.2 mpg for mixed driving...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> JT
>>>
>
>

#22 (**permalink**) 13 Sep 2006, 09:15 pm

dold@XReXXWhoXN.usenet.us.com wrote:
>
> Grumpy AuContraire <Grumpster@grumpyvillenot.com> wrote:
> > dold@XReXXWhoXN.usenet.us.com wrote:
> > > I'm having a hard time comparing the current costs of a salvaged 1983 car
> > > verses a 2006 car.
>
> > Current Investment
> > ? Less than $1K total investment + my sweat equity
> > Features:
> > ? A/C
> > ? Simpler components reasonably easy to reach/work on
> > ? No friggin' power steering
> > ? Used look = Less attraction to thieves etc.
> > ? Goes down the road 70-80 mph nicely
>
> A friend who did an extreme amount of driving became convinced that the
> best dollar value was a used taxicab. They didn't look very good, which is
> one of the features you listed. They had A/C, and power steering, don't
> know why you wouldn't want that, unless you consider it a potential repair
> problem.
>

If someone needs power steering on a 1,900 lb car, they have a serious problem.

> If something bad happened, he just parked it in front of a wrecking yard if
> it was still drivable, and bought another one.
>
> I don't think he ever even changed oil.
>
> > ? 42+ MPG
>
> Probably not, but he had less invested than you, and no sweat equity.
> I think he comes out ahead.
>
> No worries about collision insurance, or the loss of a prized vehicle.
>

Ah, but I do have insurance and a good running gen2 will bring $2,500
any day of the week on eBay, especially one from rust free Texas...

JT

#23 (**permalink**) 13 Sep 2006, 09:20 pm

Elle wrote:
>
> "Grumpy AuContraire" <Grumpster@GrumpyvilleNOT.com> wrote
> > Current Investment
> > . Less than $1K total investment + my sweat equity
> > . Breezed through inspection
> > . Consumables such as gas & oil
> >
> > Features:
> > . A/C
>
> Bum.

All I had to do to get it going was replace the receiver dryer, flush
the evaporator (the condenser is new --- $15 on ebay), add a return line
filter to protect the compressor and yep, it took the R-134 and is cool
as can be.

I love it!!!

>
> ;-)
>
> > . Simpler components reasonably easy to reach/work on
> > . No friggin' power steering
> > . Used look = Less attraction to thieves etc.
> > \ . Goes down the road 70-80 mph nicely
> > . 42+ MPG
> >
> > Advantages:
> > . No payments
> > . Low insurance
> > . Generally cheap parts
>
> . More money left over to give to charities. :-)

Especially when charity begins at home...

<G>

JT

(Who is about to spiff up another $200 '82 Civic DX just purchased for a
quick eBay turn...)

#24 (**permalink**) 14 Sep 2006, 10:24 am

On Thu, 14 Sep 2006 02:15:53 GMT, Grumpy AuContraire <Grumpster@GrumpyvilleNOT.com> wrote:

>If someone needs power steering on a 1,900 lb car, they have a serious problem.

It depends on the car. I had a '76 toyota corona 'wagon' w/out assist whose
steering wheel could only be turned while the car was rolling.

Do you have some bizzare notion that a 3000 lb. car can absolutely need power
steering, but a 2000 lb. never needs it? It's only a 30% difference.

#25 (**permalink**) 14 Sep 2006, 11:33 am

AZ Nomad wrote:
>
> On Thu, 14 Sep 2006 02:15:53 GMT, Grumpy AuContraire <Grumpster@GrumpyvilleNOT.com> wrote:
>
> >If someone needs power steering on a 1,900 lb car, they have a serious problem.
>
> It depends on the car. I had a '76 toyota corona 'wagon' w/out assist whose
> steering wheel could only be turned while the car was rolling.
>
> Do you have some bizzare notion that a 3000 lb. car can absolutely need power
> steering, but a 2000 lb. never needs it? It's only a 30% difference.

Why would one turn a steering wheel if one is not going anywhere?

JT

#26 (**permalink**) 14 Sep 2006, 11:42 am

On Thu, 14 Sep 2006 16:33:20 GMT, Grumpy AuContraire <Grumpster@GrumpyvilleNOT.com> wrote:

>AZ Nomad wrote:
>>
>> On Thu, 14 Sep 2006 02:15:53 GMT, Grumpy AuContraire <Grumpster@GrumpyvilleNOT.com> wrote:
>>
>> >If someone needs power steering on a 1,900 lb car, they have a serious problem.
>>
>> It depends on the car. I had a '76 toyota corona 'wagon' w/out assist whose
>> steering wheel could only be turned while the car was rolling.
>>
>> Do you have some bizzare notion that a 3000 lb. car can absolutely need power
>> steering, but a 2000 lb. never needs it? It's only a 30% difference.

>Why would one turn a steering wheel if one is not going anywhere?

Parking.

#27 (**permalink**) 14 Sep 2006, 01:13 pm

I had 2 83 tercel 4WD wagons. They did not have power steering. They
needed it. They also needed a bigger engine and decent brakes.

"AZ Nomad" <aznomad@PmunOgeBOX.com> wrote in message
news:slrnegit2r.c0c.aznomad@ip70-176-155-130.ph.ph.cox.net...
> On Thu, 14 Sep 2006 02:15:53 GMT, Grumpy AuContraire
> <Grumpster@GrumpyvilleNOT.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>>If someone needs power steering on a 1,900 lb car, they have a serious
>>problem.
>
> It depends on the car. I had a '76 toyota corona 'wagon' w/out assist
> whose
> steering wheel could only be turned while the car was rolling.
>
> Do you have some bizzare notion that a 3000 lb. car can absolutely need
> power
> steering, but a 2000 lb. never needs it? It's only a 30% difference.
>

#28 (**permalink**) 14 Sep 2006, 05:44 pm

My honda hybrid always get atleast 45 mpg, sometimes closer to 50 in
the winter. http://www.safelotvegas.com/index.php
Grumpy AuContraire wrote:
> My ancient '83 Civic just runs better and better. Today's fill up -
> 41.2 mpg for mixed driving...
>
> JT

#29 (**permalink**) 14 Sep 2006, 08:38 pm

AZ Nomad wrote:
>
> On Thu, 14 Sep 2006 16:33:20 GMT, Grumpy AuContraire <Grumpster@GrumpyvilleNOT.com> wrote:
>
> >AZ Nomad wrote:
> >>
> >> On Thu, 14 Sep 2006 02:15:53 GMT, Grumpy AuContraire <Grumpster@GrumpyvilleNOT.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >If someone needs power steering on a 1,900 lb car, they have a serious problem.
> >>
> >> It depends on the car. I had a '76 toyota corona 'wagon' w/out assist whose
> >> steering wheel could only be turned while the car was rolling.
> >>
> >> Do you have some bizzare notion that a 3000 lb. car can absolutely need power
> >> steering, but a 2000 lb. never needs it? It's only a 30% difference.
>
> >Why would one turn a steering wheel if one is not going anywhere?
>
> Parking.

You still have to move the car to park...

JT

#30 (**permalink**) 14 Sep 2006, 08:39 pm

Safelot@lvcoxmail.com wrote:
>
> My honda hybrid always get atleast 45 mpg, sometimes closer to 50 in
> the winter. http://www.safelotvegas.com/index.php
> Grumpy AuContraire wrote:
> > My ancient '83 Civic just runs better and better. Today's fill up -
> > 41.2 mpg for mixed driving...
> >
> > JT

Tell me your total cost per mile...

JT

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