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How hard is it to flush and fill my transmission fluid? (2003 CR-V). Th
manual says: "Always use Honda ATF-Z1. If it is not available, you may us
a Dexron III automatic fluid as a temporary replacement. However, continue
use can affect shift quality...To thoroughly flush the transmission th
technician should drain and refill it with Honda ATF-Z1, then drive a shor
distance. Do this three times. Then drain and refill the transmission
final time. WOW! DO ALL DEALERS DO THIS

Nin
It shouldent be hard at all on a CRV you can probably crawl underneath and loosen the drain plug yourself but i wouldent use Dexron III fluid not even on a temporary basis. as far as flushing and filling goes that would be the "safest way" aside fro

using a machine to power flush your automatic transmission. when you flush
fill drive it around for about 3-4 days let the Honda fluid mix in with the old flui
and circulate well enough to wash the tranny then drain and fill and repeat th
process over. ;

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You're right Johnin! I just finished! It was very easy. Now, I will drive
around for a week and repeat. But wow! The fluid is almost ten bucks a
liter. I guess Honda can charge whatever they like. Anyway, thanks for the
advice!

Nino

"johnin" <johnin.2a887v@no-mx.carstalk.net> wrote in message
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>
> How hard is it to flush and fill my transmission fluid? (2003 CR-V). The
> manual says: "Always use Honda ATF-Z1. If it is not available, you may
> use
> a Dexron III automatic fluid as a temporary replacement. However,
> continued
> use can affect shift quality...To thoroughly flush the transmission the
> technician should drain and refill it with Honda ATF-Z1, then drive a
> short
> distance. Do this three times. Then drain and refill the transmission a
> final time. WOW! DO ALL DEALERS DO THIS?
>
> Nino
> It shouldent be hard at all on a CRV you can probably crawl underneath and
> loosen the drain plug yourself but i wouldent use Dexron III fluid not
> even on a temporary basis. as far as flushing and filling goes that would
> be the "safest way" aside from
>
> using a machine to power flush your automatic transmission. when you flush
> &
> fill drive it around for about 3-4 days let the Honda fluid mix in with
> the old fluid
> and circulate well enough to wash the tranny then drain and fill and
> repeat the
> process over.
>
>
> --
> johnin
>
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>
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>

Earle Horton wrote:
> A number of manufacturers use this trick. They make "special" clutch and
> band material, that only works properly with their "special" fluid, that you
> have to buy from them. I seriously doubt, that any proper combination of
> friction material and fluid, is better or worse than any other.

if you don't believe, try it for yourself. i have so i speak with some
confidence - only use honda fluid in your transmission.

and there are no bands in a normal honda automatic transmission.

>
> By the way, how do you like the position of that transmission
> dipstick/filler? The one on my wife's CR-V is right below the battery, with
> a bunch of stuff in the way, so no normally-jointed person can get to it,
> without scraping a big chunk out of the back of his hand the first time.
>
> Earle
>
> "Nino NoSpam" <Nino.NoSpam@unsubscribenews@shaw.ca> wrote in message
> news:Rmhpg.111316$Mn5.96092@pd7tw3no...
>
>>You're right Johnin! I just finished! It was very easy. Now, I will
>
> drive
>
>>around for a week and repeat. But wow! The fluid is almost ten bucks a
>>liter. I guess Honda can charge whatever they like. Anyway, thanks for
>
> the
>
>>advice!
>>
>>Nino
>>
>>"johnin" <johnin.2a887v@no-mx.carstalk.net> wrote in message
>>news:johnin.2a887v@no-mx.carstalk.net...
>>
>>>How hard is it to flush and fill my transmission fluid? (2003 CR-V).
>
> The
>
>>>manual says: "Always use Honda ATF-Z1. If it is not available, you may
>>>use
>>>a Dexron III automatic fluid as a temporary replacement. However,
>>>continued
>>>use can affect shift quality...To thoroughly flush the transmission the
>>>technician should drain and refill it with Honda ATF-Z1, then drive a
>>>short
>>>distance. Do this three times. Then drain and refill the transmission
>
> a
>
>>>final time. WOW! DO ALL DEALERS DO THIS?
>>>
>>>Nino
>>>It shouldent be hard at all on a CRV you can probably crawl underneath
>
> and
>
>>>loosen the drain plug yourself but i wouldent use Dexron III fluid not
>>>even on a temporary basis. as far as flushing and filling goes that
>
> would
>
>>>be the "safest way" aside from
>>>
>>>using a machine to power flush your automatic transmission. when you
>
> flush
>
>>>&
>>>fill drive it around for about 3-4 days let the Honda fluid mix in with
>>>the old fluid
>>>and circulate well enough to wash the tranny then drain and fill and
>>>repeat the
>>>process over.
>>>
>>>
>>>--
>>>johnin
>>>
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>>>
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>>>
>>
>>
>
>
>

A number of manufacturers use this trick. They make "special" clutch and
band material, that only works properly with their "special" fluid, that you
have to buy from them. I seriously doubt, that any proper combination of
friction material and fluid, is better or worse than any other.

By the way, how do you like the position of that transmission
dipstick/filler? The one on my wife's CR-V is right below the battery, with
a bunch of stuff in the way, so no normally-jointed person can get to it,
without scraping a big chunk out of the back of his hand the first time.

Earle

"Nino NoSpam" <Nino.NoSpam@unsubscribenews@shaw.ca> wrote in message
news:Rmhpg.111316$Mn5.96092@pd7tw3no...
> You're right Johnin! I just finished! It was very easy. Now, I will
drive
> around for a week and repeat. But wow! The fluid is almost ten bucks a
> liter. I guess Honda can charge whatever they like. Anyway, thanks for
the
> advice!
>
> Nino
>
> "johnin" <johnin.2a887v@no-mx.carstalk.net> wrote in message
> news:johnin.2a887v@no-mx.carstalk.net...
> >
> > How hard is it to flush and fill my transmission fluid? (2003 CR-V).
The
> > manual says: "Always use Honda ATF-Z1. If it is not available, you may
> > use
> > a Dexron III automatic fluid as a temporary replacement. However,
> > continued
> > use can affect shift quality...To thoroughly flush the transmission the
> > technician should drain and refill it with Honda ATF-Z1, then drive a
> > short
> > distance. Do this three times. Then drain and refill the transmission
a
> > final time. WOW! DO ALL DEALERS DO THIS?
> >
> > Nino
> > It shouldent be hard at all on a CRV you can probably crawl underneath
and
> > loosen the drain plug yourself but i wouldent use Dexron III fluid not
> > even on a temporary basis. as far as flushing and filling goes that
would
> > be the "safest way" aside from
> >
> > using a machine to power flush your automatic transmission. when you
flush
> > &
> > fill drive it around for about 3-4 days let the Honda fluid mix in with
> > the old fluid
> > and circulate well enough to wash the tranny then drain and fill and
> > repeat the
> > process over.
> >
> >
> > --
> > johnin
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > View this thread: http://www.carstalk.net/viewtopic-429144.html
> >
> > Send from http://www.carstalk.net
> >
>
>



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.. . . how do you like the position of that transmission
> dipstick/filler? The one on my wife's CR-V is right below the battery,
> with
> a bunch of stuff in the way, so no normally-jointed person can get to it,
> without scraping a big chunk out of the back of his hand the first time.

I was just cursing Honda. . .every I have to check the transmission dipstick
it's a pain in the A..! However, the drain plug is in a very convenient
place. I didn't even have to jack up the vehicle! So, I have to praise
Honda for that. I was just surprised to see the fluid an orangey color
after only 30,000 miles.

Nino

"jim beam" <nospam@example.net> wrote in message
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> Earle Horton wrote:
>> A number of manufacturers use this trick. They make "special" clutch and
>> band material, that only works properly with their "special" fluid, that
>> you
>> have to buy from them. I seriously doubt, that any proper combination of
>> friction material and fluid, is better or worse than any other.
>
> if you don't believe, try it for yourself. i have so i speak with some
> confidence - only use honda fluid in your transmission.
>
> and there are no bands in a normal honda automatic transmission.
>
>>
>> By the way, how do you like the position of that transmission
>> dipstick/filler? The one on my wife's CR-V is right below the battery,
>> with
>> a bunch of stuff in the way, so no normally-jointed person can get to it,
>> without scraping a big chunk out of the back of his hand the first time.
>>
>> Earle
>>
>> "Nino NoSpam" <Nino.NoSpam@unsubscribenews@shaw.ca> wrote in message
>> news:Rmhpg.111316$Mn5.96092@pd7tw3no...
>>
>>>You're right Johnin! I just finished! It was very easy. Now, I will
>>
>> drive
>>
>>>around for a week and repeat. But wow! The fluid is almost ten bucks a
>>>liter. I guess Honda can charge whatever they like. Anyway, thanks for
>>
>> the
>>
>>>advice!
>>>
>>>Nino
>>>
>>>"johnin" <johnin.2a887v@no-mx.carstalk.net> wrote in message
>>>news:johnin.2a887v@no-mx.carstalk.net...
>>>
>>>>How hard is it to flush and fill my transmission fluid? (2003 CR-V).
>>
>> The
>>
>>>>manual says: "Always use Honda ATF-Z1. If it is not available, you may
>>>>use
>>>>a Dexron III automatic fluid as a temporary replacement. However,
>>>>continued
>>>>use can affect shift quality...To thoroughly flush the transmission the
>>>>technician should drain and refill it with Honda ATF-Z1, then drive a
>>>>short
>>>>distance. Do this three times. Then drain and refill the transmission
>>
>> a
>>
>>>>final time. WOW! DO ALL DEALERS DO THIS?
>>>>
>>>>Nino
>>>>It shouldent be hard at all on a CRV you can probably crawl underneath
>>
>> and
>>
>>>>loosen the drain plug yourself but i wouldent use Dexron III fluid not
>>>>even on a temporary basis. as far as flushing and filling goes that
>>
>> would
>>
>>>>be the "safest way" aside from
>>>>
>>>>using a machine to power flush your automatic transmission. when you
>>
>> flush
>>
>>>>&
>>>>fill drive it around for about 3-4 days let the Honda fluid mix in with
>>>>the old fluid
>>>>and circulate well enough to wash the tranny then drain and fill and
>>>>repeat the
>>>>process over.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>--
>>>>johnin
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>Send from http://www.carstalk.net
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>

"jim beam" <nospam@example.net> wrote in message
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> Earle Horton wrote:
> > A number of manufacturers use this trick. They make "special" clutch
> > and band material, that only works properly with their "special" fluid,
> > that you have to buy from them. I seriously doubt, that any proper
> > combination of friction material and fluid, is better or worse than any
> >other.
>
> if you don't believe, try it for yourself. i have so i speak with some
> confidence - only use honda fluid in your transmission.
>
> and there are no bands in a normal honda automatic transmission.
>

That's not what I doubt. I doubt that Chrysler friction material, for
example, performs any better with Chrysler ATF, than Honda friction material
performs with Honda fluid. In other words, there is no reason for the
differences between fluid and friction material among manufacturers, other
than to increase profits. Of course you wouldn't mix them, unless as the
manual says you were stuck somewhere.

Ford was the first to use this trick, with their "Type F" transmission
fluid. As anyone knows, who has taken an automatic transmission apart, the
clutches inside are basically nothing but paper. In the case of non-GM
transmissions, they are no doubt impregnated with anti-Dexron chemicals too.
;^)

Earle

> >
> > By the way, how do you like the position of that transmission
> > dipstick/filler? The one on my wife's CR-V is right below the battery,
with
> > a bunch of stuff in the way, so no normally-jointed person can get to
it,
> > without scraping a big chunk out of the back of his hand the first time.
> >
> > Earle
> >
> > "Nino NoSpam" <Nino.NoSpam@unsubscribenews@shaw.ca> wrote in message
> > news:Rmhpg.111316$Mn5.96092@pd7tw3no...
> >
> >>You're right Johnin! I just finished! It was very easy. Now, I will
> >
> > drive
> >
> >>around for a week and repeat. But wow! The fluid is almost ten bucks a
> >>liter. I guess Honda can charge whatever they like. Anyway, thanks for
> >
> > the
> >
> >>advice!
> >>
> >>Nino
> >>
> >>"johnin" <johnin.2a887v@no-mx.carstalk.net> wrote in message
> >>news:johnin.2a887v@no-mx.carstalk.net...
> >>
> >>>How hard is it to flush and fill my transmission fluid? (2003 CR-V).
> >
> > The
> >
> >>>manual says: "Always use Honda ATF-Z1. If it is not available, you may
> >>>use
> >>>a Dexron III automatic fluid as a temporary replacement. However,
> >>>continued
> >>>use can affect shift quality...To thoroughly flush the transmission the
> >>>technician should drain and refill it with Honda ATF-Z1, then drive a
> >>>short
> >>>distance. Do this three times. Then drain and refill the transmission
> >
> > a
> >
> >>>final time. WOW! DO ALL DEALERS DO THIS?
> >>>
> >>>Nino
> >>>It shouldent be hard at all on a CRV you can probably crawl underneath
> >
> > and
> >
> >>>loosen the drain plug yourself but i wouldent use Dexron III fluid not
> >>>even on a temporary basis. as far as flushing and filling goes that
> >
> > would
> >
> >>>be the "safest way" aside from
> >>>
> >>>using a machine to power flush your automatic transmission. when you
> >
> > flush
> >
> >>>&
> >>>fill drive it around for about 3-4 days let the Honda fluid mix in with
> >>>the old fluid
> >>>and circulate well enough to wash the tranny then drain and fill and
> >>>repeat the
> >>>process over.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>--
> >>>johnin
> >>>
>
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> >>>
> >>>Send from http://www.carstalk.net
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >



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Earle Horton wrote:
> "jim beam" <nospam@example.net> wrote in message
> news:d7udndObH7NqXTjZnZ2dnUVZ_q-dnZ2d@speakeasy.net...
>
>>Earle Horton wrote:
>>
>>>A number of manufacturers use this trick. They make "special" clutch
>>>and band material, that only works properly with their "special" fluid,
>>>that you have to buy from them. I seriously doubt, that any proper
>>>combination of friction material and fluid, is better or worse than any
>>
>> >other.
>>
>>if you don't believe, try it for yourself. i have so i speak with some
>>confidence - only use honda fluid in your transmission.
>>
>>and there are no bands in a normal honda automatic transmission.
>>
>
>
> That's not what I doubt. I doubt that Chrysler friction material, for
> example, performs any better with Chrysler ATF, than Honda friction material
> performs with Honda fluid. In other words, there is no reason for the
> differences between fluid and friction material among manufacturers, other
> than to increase profits. Of course you wouldn't mix them, unless as the
> manual says you were stuck somewhere.

that final sentence contradicts the logic of the rest of the paragraph.
i'm not a tribologist, but from what i understand, the friction
coupling characteristics of these fluids and linings can be dramatically
different.

>
> Ford was the first to use this trick, with their "Type F" transmission
> fluid. As anyone knows, who has taken an automatic transmission apart, the
> clutches inside are basically nothing but paper. In the case of non-GM
> transmissions, they are no doubt impregnated with anti-Dexron chemicals too.

come on dude, that's /way/ too expensive to implement. and no, they're
not all "paper". all detroit manufacturer's seek is a compromise
between sufficient service life from cheapo mechanicals and a lube that
/just/ gets them there. atf formulation varies accordingly.

> ;^)
>
> Earle
>
>
>>>By the way, how do you like the position of that transmission
>>>dipstick/filler? The one on my wife's CR-V is right below the battery,
>
> with
>
>>>a bunch of stuff in the way, so no normally-jointed person can get to
>
> it,
>
>>>without scraping a big chunk out of the back of his hand the first time.
>>>
>>>Earle
>>>
>>>"Nino NoSpam" <Nino.NoSpam@unsubscribenews@shaw.ca> wrote in message
>>>news:Rmhpg.111316$Mn5.96092@pd7tw3no...
>>>
>>>
>>>>You're right Johnin! I just finished! It was very easy. Now, I will
>>>
>>>drive
>>>
>>>
>>>>around for a week and repeat. But wow! The fluid is almost ten bucks a
>>>>liter. I guess Honda can charge whatever they like. Anyway, thanks for
>>>
>>>the
>>>
>>>
>>>>advice!
>>>>
>>>>Nino
>>>>
>>>>"johnin" <johnin.2a887v@no-mx.carstalk.net> wrote in message
>>>>news:johnin.2a887v@no-mx.carstalk.net...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>How hard is it to flush and fill my transmission fluid? (2003 CR-V).
>>>
>>>The
>>>
>>>
>>>>>manual says: "Always use Honda ATF-Z1. If it is not available, you may
>>>>>use
>>>>>a Dexron III automatic fluid as a temporary replacement. However,
>>>>>continued
>>>>>use can affect shift quality...To thoroughly flush the transmission the
>>>>>technician should drain and refill it with Honda ATF-Z1, then drive a
>>>>>short
>>>>>distance. Do this three times. Then drain and refill the transmission
>>>
>>>a
>>>
>>>
>>>>>final time. WOW! DO ALL DEALERS DO THIS?
>>>>>
>>>>>Nino
>>>>>It shouldent be hard at all on a CRV you can probably crawl underneath
>>>
>>>and
>>>
>>>
>>>>>loosen the drain plug yourself but i wouldent use Dexron III fluid not
>>>>>even on a temporary basis. as far as flushing and filling goes that
>>>
>>>would
>>>
>>>
>>>>>be the "safest way" aside from
>>>>>
>>>>>using a machine to power flush your automatic transmission. when you
>>>
>>>flush
>>>
>>>
>>>>>&
>>>>>fill drive it around for about 3-4 days let the Honda fluid mix in with
>>>>>the old fluid
>>>>>and circulate well enough to wash the tranny then drain and fill and
>>>>>repeat the
>>>>>process over.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>--
>>>>>johnin
>>>>>
>>
>>>>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>>>View this thread: http://www.carstalk.net/viewtopic-429144.html
>>>>>
>>>>>Send from http://www.carstalk.net
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>
>

Anyone found any place that sells Honda A/T fluid at a lower price than my
local Honda store?
"jim beam" <nospam@example.net> wrote in message
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> Earle Horton wrote:
> > "jim beam" <nospam@example.net> wrote in message
> > news:d7udndObH7NqXTjZnZ2dnUVZ_q-dnZ2d@speakeasy.net...
> >
> >>Earle Horton wrote:
> >>
> >>>A number of manufacturers use this trick. They make "special" clutch
> >>>and band material, that only works properly with their "special" fluid,
> >>>that you have to buy from them. I seriously doubt, that any proper
> >>>combination of friction material and fluid, is better or worse than any
> >>
> >> >other.
> >>
> >>if you don't believe, try it for yourself. i have so i speak with some
> >>confidence - only use honda fluid in your transmission.
> >>
> >>and there are no bands in a normal honda automatic transmission.
> >>
> >
> >
> > That's not what I doubt. I doubt that Chrysler friction material, for
> > example, performs any better with Chrysler ATF, than Honda friction
material
> > performs with Honda fluid. In other words, there is no reason for the
> > differences between fluid and friction material among manufacturers,
other
> > than to increase profits. Of course you wouldn't mix them, unless as
the
> > manual says you were stuck somewhere.
>
> that final sentence contradicts the logic of the rest of the paragraph.
> i'm not a tribologist, but from what i understand, the friction
> coupling characteristics of these fluids and linings can be dramatically
> different.
>
> >
> > Ford was the first to use this trick, with their "Type F" transmission
> > fluid. As anyone knows, who has taken an automatic transmission apart,
the
> > clutches inside are basically nothing but paper. In the case of non-GM
> > transmissions, they are no doubt impregnated with anti-Dexron chemicals
too.
>
> come on dude, that's /way/ too expensive to implement. and no, they're
> not all "paper". all detroit manufacturer's seek is a compromise
> between sufficient service life from cheapo mechanicals and a lube that
> /just/ gets them there. atf formulation varies accordingly.
>
> > ;^)
> >
> > Earle
> >
> >
> >>>By the way, how do you like the position of that transmission
> >>>dipstick/filler? The one on my wife's CR-V is right below the battery,
> >
> > with
> >
> >>>a bunch of stuff in the way, so no normally-jointed person can get to
> >
> > it,
> >
> >>>without scraping a big chunk out of the back of his hand the first
time.
> >>>
> >>>Earle
> >>>
> >>>"Nino NoSpam" <Nino.NoSpam@unsubscribenews@shaw.ca> wrote in message
> >>>news:Rmhpg.111316$Mn5.96092@pd7tw3no...
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>You're right Johnin! I just finished! It was very easy. Now, I will
> >>>
> >>>drive
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>around for a week and repeat. But wow! The fluid is almost ten bucks
a
> >>>>liter. I guess Honda can charge whatever they like. Anyway, thanks
for
> >>>
> >>>the
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>advice!
> >>>>
> >>>>Nino
> >>>>
> >>>>"johnin" <johnin.2a887v@no-mx.carstalk.net> wrote in message
> >>>>news:johnin.2a887v@no-mx.carstalk.net...
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>How hard is it to flush and fill my transmission fluid? (2003 CR-V).
> >>>
> >>>The
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>manual says: "Always use Honda ATF-Z1. If it is not available, you
may
> >>>>>use
> >>>>>a Dexron III automatic fluid as a temporary replacement. However,
> >>>>>continued
> >>>>>use can affect shift quality...To thoroughly flush the transmission
the
> >>>>>technician should drain and refill it with Honda ATF-Z1, then drive a
> >>>>>short
> >>>>>distance. Do this three times. Then drain and refill the
transmission
> >>>
> >>>a
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>final time. WOW! DO ALL DEALERS DO THIS?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Nino
> >>>>>It shouldent be hard at all on a CRV you can probably crawl
underneath
> >>>
> >>>and
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>loosen the drain plug yourself but i wouldent use Dexron III fluid
not
> >>>>>even on a temporary basis. as far as flushing and filling goes that
> >>>
> >>>would
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>be the "safest way" aside from
> >>>>>
> >>>>>using a machine to power flush your automatic transmission. when you
> >>>
> >>>flush
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>&
> >>>>>fill drive it around for about 3-4 days let the Honda fluid mix in
with
> >>>>>the old fluid
> >>>>>and circulate well enough to wash the tranny then drain and fill and
> >>>>>repeat the
> >>>>>process over.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>--
> >>>>>johnin
> >>>>>
> >>
>
>>>>------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>>
> >>>>>View this thread: http://www.carstalk.net/viewtopic-429144.html
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Send from http://www.carstalk.net
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >
> >
> >

glenf wrote:
> Anyone found any place that sells Honda A/T fluid at a lower price than my
> local Honda store?

manchesterhonda.com