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'90 Honda Civic Ex 5 spd 190K

I slid on a patch of ice the other night and banged into a curb going
about 15 mph. It pushed the front left wheel back about 3 inches and
inwards a little; now it rubs on the splash shield when turning and the
car pulls to the side pretty severely. I haven't driven it much since
the accident (I know the rubbing can't be good), but did take it to a
neighborhood bodyshop to get their opinion. The guy said at the very
least the lower control arm was bent, but pointed to about 5 other
parts that "could need replacing too, we just won't know until we take
it apart." Pretty open-ended sounding to me.

I smell a rat. I don't expect him to know precisely what needs
replacing by looking at it for 10 seconds, but the lower $$ amount for
the repair was $450 and he was going to be charging me $190 alone for
the LCA. He said it could possibly be /many hundreds/ more. I should
have asked him if he was behind on his boat payments.

What I want to know is, what are the chances that I screwed up more
than the upper and lower control arms? How hard is it for the
semi-advanced DIYer to change these parts? I've changed head gaskets,
timing belts, brake calipers, slave cylinders and master cylinders,
etc, but I've always been a bit afraid of messing with the suspension
for some reason. If it's not a total bear of a job, and I can change
the control arms (I priced both upper and lower left arms for about
$215 on the internet) it's worth it to me to keep the car. If it's more
than ~$350, it's car shopping time. I love driving this little car, but
I really don't want to sink too much money into a beater.

"Bruce" <andrew.bruce@regions.com> wrote in
news:1138121451.782961.58010@o13g2000cwo.googlegro ups.com:

> '90 Honda Civic Ex 5 spd 190K
>
> I slid on a patch of ice the other night and banged into a curb going
> about 15 mph. It pushed the front left wheel back about 3 inches and
> inwards a little; now it rubs on the splash shield when turning and the
> car pulls to the side pretty severely.



Bad, bad, bad. You've done *considerable* damage, then.



> I haven't driven it much since
> the accident (I know the rubbing can't be good),


Good move. Even better: Don't drive it AT ALL.


> but did take it to a
> neighborhood bodyshop to get their opinion. The guy said at the very
> least the lower control arm was bent, but pointed to about 5 other
> parts that "could need replacing too, we just won't know until we take
> it apart." Pretty open-ended sounding to me.



Sure is. There's a lot to get crunched under there.



>
> I smell a rat.



Take a bath.



> I don't expect him to know precisely what needs
> replacing by looking at it for 10 seconds, but the lower $$ amount for
> the repair was $450 and he was going to be charging me $190 alone for
> the LCA. He said it could possibly be /many hundreds/ more. I should
> have asked him if he was behind on his boat payments.
>
> What I want to know is, what are the chances that I screwed up more
> than the upper and lower control arms?


Quite high. You may also have bent the front crossmember, the sheet metal
inner mount point for the lower arm, sway bar, sway bar mounts, and more.
There is also the probability that you've bent the inner fender and
subframe and none of the suspension pivot points are in their correct
locations any more.

Your guy is being prudent when he quotes you a high figure and leaves it
open-ended. He'll have a lot harder time coming back to you with a *higher*
repair figure than a *lower* one. Especially considering your "smell a rat"
attitude.

You'd be surprised how often even the experienced are surprised by yet more
damage under what they thought was all that was damaged.



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"TeGGeR®" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote in
news:Xns9755913D2B0B2tegger@207.14.113.17:

> "Bruce" <andrew.bruce@regions.com> wrote in
> news:1138121451.782961.58010@o13g2000cwo.googlegro ups.com:


<snip>


>>
>> What I want to know is, what are the chances that I screwed up more
>> than the upper and lower control arms?
>
>
> Quite high. You may also have bent the front crossmember, the sheet
> metal inner mount point for the lower arm, sway bar, sway bar mounts,
> and more. There is also the probability that you've bent the inner
> fender and subframe and none of the suspension pivot points are in
> their correct locations any more.


You've likely bent the wheel as well, and may have damaged the wheel
bearings or bent the hub.



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D'oh! Looks like car shopping time then.

At least I wrecked it BEFORE I had the exhaust fixed...

Thanks for the info, TeGGeR. Much appreciated.

My father crunched and bottomed out a new Saturn. Covered by insurance but
the estimate went up by thousands as the front end was taken apart and the
body shop was approved to do the work by State Farm no questions asked.


"Bruce" <andrew.bruce@regions.com> wrote in message
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> '90 Honda Civic Ex 5 spd 190K
>
> I slid on a patch of ice the other night and banged into a curb going
> about 15 mph. It pushed the front left wheel back about 3 inches and
> inwards a little; now it rubs on the splash shield when turning and the
> car pulls to the side pretty severely. I haven't driven it much since
> the accident (I know the rubbing can't be good), but did take it to a
> neighborhood bodyshop to get their opinion. The guy said at the very
> least the lower control arm was bent, but pointed to about 5 other
> parts that "could need replacing too, we just won't know until we take
> it apart." Pretty open-ended sounding to me.
>
> I smell a rat. I don't expect him to know precisely what needs
> replacing by looking at it for 10 seconds, but the lower $$ amount for
> the repair was $450 and he was going to be charging me $190 alone for
> the LCA. He said it could possibly be /many hundreds/ more. I should
> have asked him if he was behind on his boat payments.
>
> What I want to know is, what are the chances that I screwed up more
> than the upper and lower control arms? How hard is it for the
> semi-advanced DIYer to change these parts? I've changed head gaskets,
> timing belts, brake calipers, slave cylinders and master cylinders,
> etc, but I've always been a bit afraid of messing with the suspension
> for some reason. If it's not a total bear of a job, and I can change
> the control arms (I priced both upper and lower left arms for about
> $215 on the internet) it's worth it to me to keep the car. If it's more
> than ~$350, it's car shopping time. I love driving this little car, but
> I really don't want to sink too much money into a beater.
>

Bruce wrote:
>
> What I want to know is, what are the chances that I screwed up more
> than the upper and lower control arms? How hard is it for the
> semi-advanced DIYer to change these parts? I've changed head gaskets,
> timing belts, brake calipers, slave cylinders and master cylinders,
> etc, but I've always been a bit afraid of messing with the suspension
> for some reason. If it's not a total bear of a job, and I can change
> the control arms (I priced both upper and lower left arms for about
> $215 on the internet) it's worth it to me to keep the car. If it's more
> than ~$350, it's car shopping time. I love driving this little car, but
> I really don't want to sink too much money into a beater.

could be the LCA, could ALSO be what the LCA is attached to. dunno if
the LCA mount is replaceable. only way to tell would be to look at it,
and take the LCA off.

Sounds to me like this little car is pretty darn totalled. I wouldn't
go exploring the upper limits of what's wrong, without insurance
coverage.

Agree with Tegger, this car can't be anywhere near safe to drive.

jmattis@attglobal.net wrote in
news:1138207753.032601.229390@g49g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com:

> Sounds to me like this little car is pretty darn totalled. I wouldn't
> go exploring the upper limits of what's wrong, without insurance
> coverage.
>
> Agree with Tegger, this car can't be anywhere near safe to drive.
>
>



This is the sort of thing that puts old cars in the wreckers. The value of
the car is unlikely to be less than the fixup costs for this collision. If
insurance gets involved, they'll total it, I'd bet.

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