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<jmattis@attglobal.net> wrote in message
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> I wanted to see how Toyota dropped the Avalon 3.5 liter V6 into the
> all-new 2007 Camry. The horsepower is down a notch, but the Cary
> probably is making do with regular gas, unlike the Avalon.
>
> The bigger news is how elegant the Camry looks -- it's a cross between
> the G35 and the TL. Could just as easily have been called a Lexus.
>
> A few photos are on the toyota.com website. The official roll-out is
> in March.
>
> Honda engineers must be frantic. I hate to say it, but the new Camry
> somehow makes my '04 Accord look dowdy.
>

All of this assumes you are looking for tire scorching performance -- and
perhaps indifferent gas mileage. If I buy a sedan, I can't imagine the need
for anything more than Honda's I4. I alternately drive to work an 03 Civic
LX 5 spd and a 01 Prelude 5 spd. The Civic does just fine on I 75 and gets
38-40 mpg. Heck, lets put a "hemi" in the Camry or Accord next.

I wanted to see how Toyota dropped the Avalon 3.5 liter V6 into the
all-new 2007 Camry. The horsepower is down a notch, but the Cary
probably is making do with regular gas, unlike the Avalon.

The bigger news is how elegant the Camry looks -- it's a cross between
the G35 and the TL. Could just as easily have been called a Lexus.

A few photos are on the toyota.com website. The official roll-out is
in March.

Honda engineers must be frantic. I hate to say it, but the new Camry
somehow makes my '04 Accord look dowdy.

jmattis@attglobal.net wrote:

> I wanted to see how Toyota dropped the Avalon 3.5 liter V6 into the
> all-new 2007 Camry. The horsepower is down a notch, but the Cary
> probably is making do with regular gas, unlike the Avalon.
>
Actually, I am pretty sure the current Avalon uses regular gas too.


> The bigger news is how elegant the Camry looks -- it's a cross between
> the G35 and the TL. Could just as easily have been called a Lexus.
>
> A few photos are on the toyota.com website. The official roll-out is
> in March.
>
> Honda engineers must be frantic. I hate to say it, but the new Camry
> somehow makes my '04 Accord look dowdy.

But how well does it handle compared to Accord? That's the big difference
there; you get either a soft ride (Camry) or tight handling (Accord).

High Tech Misfit wrote:
> jmattis@attglobal.net wrote:
>
> >snip
>
> But how well does it handle compared to Accord? That's the big difference
> there; you get either a soft ride (Camry) or tight handling (Accord).

Well the most recent Accord isn't as responsive as past Accords and
with a decent set of tires the Camry's performance envelope isn't all
that much different. Besides, sport sedan buyers have sportier options
than Accord these days. The Camry and Accord are both mainstream family
sedans.

But lets wait to see how Toyota packages (especially safety related
options) and prices the new Camry.

I own both a new '06 Avalon and just sold an '05 Accord EX V6 - the new
Camry IS much better looking than the Accord and it's the SAME V6, same HP
(268 hp) as the Avalon. Remember, the HP ratings on all cars dropped (Avalon
from 280 to 268) with the new testing standards last fall. The V6 will run
quite well on regular, as that's all I've used in the Avalon - premium is
required for "maximum performance". There's still a Civic in the garage for
use behind the RV. It does appear the Honda engineers have their work cut
out for the next generation.


<jmattis@attglobal.net> wrote in message
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>I wanted to see how Toyota dropped the Avalon 3.5 liter V6 into the
> all-new 2007 Camry. The horsepower is down a notch, but the Cary
> probably is making do with regular gas, unlike the Avalon.
>
> The bigger news is how elegant the Camry looks -- it's a cross between
> the G35 and the TL. Could just as easily have been called a Lexus.
>
> A few photos are on the toyota.com website. The official roll-out is
> in March.
>
> Honda engineers must be frantic. I hate to say it, but the new Camry
> somehow makes my '04 Accord look dowdy.
>

From what I've read the Accord in '07 won't be much different than the
current model. Seems like Honda's best engineers were working the Civic,
minivan, and pickup truck.


<dimndsonmywndshld@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> High Tech Misfit wrote:
>> jmattis@attglobal.net wrote:
>>
>> >snip
>>
>> But how well does it handle compared to Accord? That's the big
>> difference
>> there; you get either a soft ride (Camry) or tight handling (Accord).
>
> Well the most recent Accord isn't as responsive as past Accords and
> with a decent set of tires the Camry's performance envelope isn't all
> that much different. Besides, sport sedan buyers have sportier options
> than Accord these days. The Camry and Accord are both mainstream family
> sedans.
>
> But lets wait to see how Toyota packages (especially safety related
> options) and prices the new Camry.
>

Art wrote:

> From what I've read the Accord in '07 won't be much different than the
> current model. Seems like Honda's best engineers were working the Civic,
> minivan, and pickup truck.
>

Honda just gave the Accord a minor restyling for '06. Since the current
Accord came out for 2003, expect the next version for 2008.

Remember, the HP ratings on all cars dropped (Avalon
> from 280 to 268) with the new testing standards last fall.

I didn't take that into account. In any case, with the extra torque
the 3.5 will provide, the Camry will race away from an Accord from a
stop, that's for sure. Camry will have a SIX speed automatic, as well.

The Camry SE will have a tighter suspension, probably tight like the
Accord but without the jiggling.

John Carpenter wrote:
> I own both a new '06 Avalon and just sold an '05 Accord EX V6 - the new
> Camry IS much better looking than the Accord and it's the SAME V6, same HP
> (268 hp) as the Avalon. Remember, the HP ratings on all cars dropped (Avalon
> from 280 to 268) with the new testing standards last fall. The V6 will run
> quite well on regular, as that's all I've used in the Avalon - premium is
> required for "maximum performance". There's still a Civic in the garage for
> use behind the RV. It does appear the Honda engineers have their work cut
> out for the next generation.

wouldnt it also cannibalize sales from the lower end lexuses, as well?
seems a fine line to me between an avalon (stretched camry) and a lexus.

i glanced at the new lexuses at the LA auto show, and i miss the old
IS300/IS300sportback. im weird though.

Art wrote:
> From what I've read the Accord in '07 won't be much different than the
> current model. Seems like Honda's best engineers were working the Civic,
> minivan, and pickup truck.

the civic looks much improved, the minivan is equalled only byt he
sienna, and the "truck"...? well, 2 out of 3 aint bad!

has a ridgeline run at baja yet?