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#11 (**permalink**) 11 Jan 2006, 01:17 pm

"TeGGeR®" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote in message
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> E Meyer <epmeyer50@msn.com> wrote in
> news:BFE7C006.EB77A%epmeyer50@msn.com:
>
> > On 1/8/06 3:47 PM, in article Xns9745AB0BBA8A6tegger@207.14.113.17,
> > "TeGGeR®" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote:
> >
>
> <snip>
>
> >> Just checked the '96-'00 Civic Helm manual. It contains the same
> >> warning, word for word.
> >
> > Go back another decade to the generation the OP has and check again.
> > We had an '81 and an '87 and the recommended manual trans fluid was
> > 10w-30 motor oil. There was also a caveat to not use synthetic
> > because the synchros wouldn't work correctly with it.
> >
> >
>
>
> Yes, and my '91 Integra's shop manual also specifies 10W-30.
>
<snip>
> Honda MTF is the preferable oil for any Honda manual transmission that
> originally specified 10W-30.
>

I plant o use MTF next as well but....

my '93 civic honda sevice manual says 10w30 or 10w40 with a service grade
of SF or SG

would not the sevice grade SF / SG matching cover the concerns of oil
formulation.

robb

#12 (**permalink**) 11 Jan 2006, 06:56 pm

On 1/11/06 12:17 PM, in article
VYbxf.6657$%W1.3599@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.n et, "Rob B"
<RobB@where.on.net> wrote:

>
> "TeGGeR®" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote in message
> news:Xns974667E1BC369tegger@207.14.113.17...
>> E Meyer <epmeyer50@msn.com> wrote in
>> news:BFE7C006.EB77A%epmeyer50@msn.com:
>>
>>> On 1/8/06 3:47 PM, in article Xns9745AB0BBA8A6tegger@207.14.113.17,
>>> "TeGGeR®" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote:
>>>
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>>>> Just checked the '96-'00 Civic Helm manual. It contains the same
>>>> warning, word for word.
>>>
>>> Go back another decade to the generation the OP has and check again.
>>> We had an '81 and an '87 and the recommended manual trans fluid was
>>> 10w-30 motor oil. There was also a caveat to not use synthetic
>>> because the synchros wouldn't work correctly with it.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> Yes, and my '91 Integra's shop manual also specifies 10W-30.
>>
> <snip>
>> Honda MTF is the preferable oil for any Honda manual transmission that
>> originally specified 10W-30.
>>
>
> I plant o use MTF next as well but....
>
> my '93 civic honda sevice manual says 10w30 or 10w40 with a service grade
> of SF or SG
>
> would not the sevice grade SF / SG matching cover the concerns of oil
> formulation.
>
> robb
>
>
Lubrication wise, yes. But those ratings relate to the oil being used as
motor oil, not transmission oil. The problem with synthetic (i.e. Mobil 1)
was that it was (is) too slippery for the synchros to work correctly. They
depend on a little friction to get them moving.

#13 (**permalink**) 11 Jan 2006, 08:05 pm

"Rob B" <RobB@where.on.net> wrote in
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>

>>
>
> I plant o use MTF next as well but....
>
> my '93 civic honda sevice manual says 10w30 or 10w40 with a service
> grade of SF or SG

Yeah. It was printed before the changes to oil configuration, as I said a
few messages ago.

>
> would not the sevice grade SF / SG matching cover the concerns of oil
> formulation.

SF & SG are obsolete. Good luck finding that stuff these days. All you'll
find now is SL and SM.

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#14 (**permalink**) 11 Jan 2006, 10:06 pm

"TeGGeR®" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote in message
news:Xns9748CCA823A18tegger@207.14.113.17...
> "Rob B" <RobB@where.on.net> wrote in
> news:VYbxf.6657$%W1.3599@newsread2.news.atl.earthl ink.net:
> >
> > would not the sevice grade SF / SG matching cover the concerns of oil
> > formulation.
>
> SF & SG are obsolete. Good luck finding that stuff these days. All you'll
> find now is SL and SM.
>

well that is the issue then, *if* you could find SF/SG then you'd be ok but
10w30 spec is useless by itself ... where most people seem to be betting on
10w30 == 10w30 not

robb

#15 (**permalink**) 12 Jan 2006, 12:10 am

Rob B wrote:
> would not the sevice grade SF / SG matching cover the concerns of oil
> formulation.

if you can find oil that old. the concerns these days are all the
friction reducers put into current oil grades that MIGHT cause the
syncros to not work right.

too much slipperiness can be a bad thing.

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