Honda Car Forum

What's the deal with the crappy glass now being supplied for front
windshield glass? I've got maybe 30-40K miles on a new windshield and
it's already so pitted from random road debri that it requires
replacment. I remember owning 20 year old US made tuna-boats that had
a couple hundred thousand miles on them before the front windshield
was so badly pitted it needed replacement. Remember LOF
(Libby-Owens-Ford) tempered glass? Is that the problem? Not using
tempered glass? My tempered motorcycle glasses are not all pitted and
I've had them for years.

This really pisses me off. Four to six hundred bucks every three or
four years for soft glass that is easily pitted. Is this some sort of
self perpetuating glass scam by the windshield replacement industry?
I'm beginning to think it is. Is there any after market glass
suppliers out there marketing quality tempered glass or is eveyone in
on it?

nb

notbob wrote:

> What's the deal with the crappy glass now being supplied for front
> windshield glass?

Blame the governments for caving in to the selfish demands of the
enviro-nuts. Ditto for the cheap quality paints.

It's not just Honda; it's most, if not all, manufacturers.

Where you buying your windshield glass?

I had mine replaced at my convenience at home for $221 a
month or so ago. Safelite. Others here have posted recently
they have got new glass for under $200.

"notbob" <notbob@nothome.com> wrote
> Four to six hundred bucks every three or
> four years for soft glass that is easily pitted. Is this
some sort of
> self perpetuating glass scam by the windshield replacement
industry?

On 2005-12-07, High Tech Misfit <me@privacy.net> wrote:

> Blame the governments for caving in to the selfish demands of the
> enviro-nuts. Ditto for the cheap quality paints.

No, you blame them. I'll not buy into alleged conspiracies what can
be much more attributable to simple greed.

nb

notbob wrote:

>> Blame the governments for caving in to the selfish demands of the
>> enviro-nuts. Ditto for the cheap quality paints.
>
> No, you blame them. I'll not buy into alleged conspiracies what can
> be much more attributable to simple greed.
>
> nb

I've heard a lot about cheap paint and glass on newer Hondas, Toyotas,
Mazdas, Crapslers, Fords, VW's, you name it. These new cheap quality
glass and paints are more environmentally friendly than what they used to
make. Unfortunately, the increase in environmental friendliness tends to
come at the expense of quality.

Similarly, the increase in the use of hard interior plastics (which tends
to cause squeaks and rattles in some cars regardless of make) is also in
large part the result of environmental and safety regulations. Because it
costs a lot of money to implement all these modern safety regulations
(ABS, VSC, air bags all over the place), hard plastics are a means of
offsetting the extra cost so that the customer doesn't have to pay a whole
lot more. Not to mention that the hard plastics being used are allegedly
more environmentally friendly than the old softer plastics of the past.

So again I say, blame the governments for caving in to the enviro-nuts'
demands. It's not a conspiracy theory at all.

Yes the glass is very soft and the paint not very sturdy - have to quit
tailgating on roads covered with crap or get pitted glass and dings in
your paint.

High Tech Misfit wrote:
> notbob wrote:
>
>
>>What's the deal with the crappy glass now being supplied for front
>>windshield glass?
>
>
> Blame the governments for caving in to the selfish demands of the
> enviro-nuts. Ditto for the cheap quality paints.

enviro-nuts? cheap paint? government cave-in? eh?

dude, it's tempered vs. laminated - end of story! if you think trying
to break tempered glass with a soft blunt object [your head] in the
event of a crash is a good idea, go ahead and retrofit your car with
tempered - all i need is your personal details so i can nominate you for
a darwin award after you, er, qualify.

>
> It's not just Honda; it's most, if not all, manufacturers.

On 2005-12-07, jim beam <nospam@example.net> wrote:

> dude, it's tempered vs. laminated - end of story! if you think trying
> to break tempered glass with a soft blunt object [your head] in the
> event of a crash is a good idea.....

Dude ...please tell us why tempered glass can't be laminated. My
machinist safety glasses are tempered and will not shatter into little
fly-into-your-eye pieces. Care to explain?

nb

On 2005-12-07, High Tech Misfit <me@privacy.net> wrote:

> I've heard a lot about cheap paint and glass on newer Hondas, Toyotas,
> Mazdas, Crapslers, Fords, VW's, you name it. These new cheap quality
> glass and paints are more environmentally friendly than what they used to
> make. Unfortunately, the increase in environmental friendliness tends to
> come at the expense of quality.

Uh-huh.

Our roads, woods, lakes, oceans, etc, are flooded with the largest
armada of environmentally hostile machinery to be seen in half a
century and you would have us believe manufacturers are at the mercy
of environmentalist? Good one! What parallel universe are you living
in? A 10mpg Ford Incursion with half an acre of dead animal skin
seats and electric Kleenex warmers is the victim and the only way it
can justify that $45-60K price tag is to give the customer paint that
won't make it to the end of the week.

You funny!

nb

notbob wrote:
> On 2005-12-07, jim beam <nospam@example.net> wrote:
>
>
>>dude, it's tempered vs. laminated - end of story! if you think trying
>>to break tempered glass with a soft blunt object [your head] in the
>>event of a crash is a good idea.....
>
>
> Dude ...please tell us why tempered glass can't be laminated. My
> machinist safety glasses are tempered and will not shatter into little
> fly-into-your-eye pieces. Care to explain?
>
> nb

it could, but it's not safe to do so. tempered glass is very strong -
it batters brains because it doesn't break unless point stress exceeds a
certain level. heads are too soft and too big to raise point stress
before severe injury is done. the glass elements in laminated are weak
in comparison so the result doesn't batter brains - it breaks before the
skull usually does. and the laminated portion keeps the shards stuck
together to reduce laceration of what the impact doesn't damage.