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I noticed a couple of things about having the "diamond access okay"
stickers on my Honda Civic Hybrid.

As someone pointed out, Hybrids, especially the Prius, get better mileage
poking along in the heavy traffic than they might in the car pool lane.

I find that I drive faster in the carpool lane than I did alone on a
freeway. My mileage is down from 52.3 to 49.9 on the same trip.

I also find that I leave work earlier, to take advantage of the carpool
lane, instead of staying later until there is less traffic.

So, I'm using more gas, and I'm on the road when the traffic is heavy.
That doesn't sound like a win-win for the environment.

Maybe the stickers should only be issued to new buyers of hybrids ;-)

http://www.dmv.ca.gov/forms/reg/reg1000.htm

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Clarence A Dold - Hidden Valley (Lake County) CA USA 38.8,-122.5

dold@XReXXHybri.usenet.us.com wrote in news:di4dtl$vp7$3@blue.rahul.net:


>
> So, I'm using more gas, and I'm on the road when the traffic is heavy.
> That doesn't sound like a win-win for the environment.


Of course it isn't.

It isn't win-win for anybody or anything. Except those doltish greenies who
are now smilingly asleep in their beds, warmly dreaming that they've done
something GOOD for the Earth.

I'm glad I'm not a deluded environut.



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dold@XReXXHybri.usenet.us.com wrote:
> I noticed a couple of things about having the "diamond access okay"
> stickers on my Honda Civic Hybrid.

you just came here to brag, didnt you?

i do the 8 mile 1 way carpool to work on one of these-

http://www.reviewcentre.com/review125753.html
>
> As someone pointed out, Hybrids, especially the Prius, get better mileage
> poking along in the heavy traffic than they might in the car pool lane.
>
> I find that I drive faster in the carpool lane than I did alone on a
> freeway. My mileage is down from 52.3 to 49.9 on the same trip.

dont sweat it. it gets better city mileage anyway, right?
>
> I also find that I leave work earlier, to take advantage of the carpool
> lane, instead of staying later until there is less traffic.

shouldnt make a difference, really. ive never seen a clogged carpool
lane unless theres an accident- then ALL lanes slow down.
>
> So, I'm using more gas, and I'm on the road when the traffic is heavy.
> That doesn't sound like a win-win for the environment.
>
> Maybe the stickers should only be issued to new buyers of hybrids ;-)
>
> http://www.dmv.ca.gov/forms/reg/reg1000.htm
>

"TeGGeR." <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote:
> dold@XReXXHybri.usenet.us.com wrote in news:di4dtl$vp7$3@blue.rahul.net:
>> So, I'm using more gas, and I'm on the road when the traffic is heavy.
>> That doesn't sound like a win-win for the environment.

> It isn't win-win for anybody or anything. Except those doltish greenies who
> are now smilingly asleep in their beds, warmly dreaming that they've done
> something GOOD for the Earth.

I personally do feel that I am doing a good thing for the environment.

Being able to drive in the carpool lane has nothing to do with that, and
actually, I have regressed just a little from my tree-hugging ability of a
month ago.

> I'm glad I'm not a deluded environut.

I'm not an environut by my standards, the Civic Hybrid, the Escape Hybrid,
and the home solar panels notwithstanding ;-)

I do, however get to scream "I'm a greenie" with my new stickers, on what
was otherwise a pretty unrecognizable hybrid. I don't care about that part.

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Clarence A Dold - Hidden Valley (Lake County) CA USA 38.8,-122.5

SoCalMike <Mikein562athotmail@hotmail.com> wrote:
> dold@XReXXHybri.usenet.us.com wrote:
>> I noticed a couple of things about having the "diamond access okay"
>> stickers on my Honda Civic Hybrid.

> you just came here to brag, didnt you?

It is a stray thought. Before, I just drove my car. I didn't evangelize,
I didn't stand out in a crowd of cars, I just drove.

> i do the 8 mile 1 way carpool to work on one of these-

> http://www.reviewcentre.com/review125753.html

I just saw one of those on Highway 87 in San Jose this morning.
I was in the carpool lane, he was in the regular lanes (?).
He was also in a 100mph crouch, at about 50mph. I don't know if he was
catching a lot of wind buffetting if he sat up straight, or if he was
trying to improve the aerodynamics and get a couple more mpg.

My Civic gets better mileage than my BMW K-75 motorcycle.
What does a Burgmann get? What about 2-up riding?

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Clarence A Dold - Hidden Valley (Lake County) CA USA 38.8,-122.5

dold@XReXXHybri.usenet.us.com wrote in news:di4jqf$67v$1@blue.rahul.net:

> "TeGGeR." <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote:
>> dold@XReXXHybri.usenet.us.com wrote in
>> news:di4dtl$vp7$3@blue.rahul.net:
>>> So, I'm using more gas, and I'm on the road when the traffic is
>>> heavy. That doesn't sound like a win-win for the environment.
>
>> It isn't win-win for anybody or anything. Except those doltish
>> greenies who are now smilingly asleep in their beds, warmly dreaming
>> that they've done something GOOD for the Earth.
>
> I personally do feel that I am doing a good thing for the environment.



As far as you know.


>
> Being able to drive in the carpool lane has nothing to do with that,
> and actually, I have regressed just a little from my tree-hugging
> ability of a month ago.


No you haven't.


>
>> I'm glad I'm not a deluded environut.
>
> I'm not an environut by my standards,



Not by yours, no.



> the Civic Hybrid, the Escape
> Hybrid, and the home solar panels notwithstanding ;-)
>
> I do, however get to scream "I'm a greenie" with my new stickers, on
> what was otherwise a pretty unrecognizable hybrid. I don't care about
> that part.
>


I hope one day my '91 'Teg fails smog so I can buy a forged smog
certificate and drive around pumping raw fuel into your lungs. Just
kidding. As far as you know, anyway.



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dold@XReXXHybri.usenet.us.com wrote in news:di4k73$67v$2@blue.rahul.net:

> I didn't
> evangelize,



Yes you did. All environuts do. You're very religious, you know that?

You may not go to a traditional church, but you're as pious as a Puritan.

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"TeGGeR." <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote:

> I hope one day my '91 'Teg fails smog so I can buy a forged smog

No worries about that around here... no smog tests.

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Clarence A Dold - Hidden Valley (Lake County) CA USA 38.8,-122.5

In article <di4dtl$vp7$3@blue.rahul.net>, dold@XReXXHybri.usenet.us.com
wrote:

> I noticed a couple of things about having the "diamond access okay"
> stickers on my Honda Civic Hybrid.
>
> As someone pointed out, Hybrids, especially the Prius, get better mileage
> poking along in the heavy traffic than they might in the car pool lane.
>
> I find that I drive faster in the carpool lane than I did alone on a
> freeway. My mileage is down from 52.3 to 49.9 on the same trip.
>
> I also find that I leave work earlier, to take advantage of the carpool
> lane, instead of staying later until there is less traffic.
>
> So, I'm using more gas, and I'm on the road when the traffic is heavy.
> That doesn't sound like a win-win for the environment.

You earn "credits" during city driving, for being a frugal user of
gasoline.

You are allowed to "spend" those "credits" by taking advantage of the
diamond lane.

<dold@XReXXHybri.usenet.us.com> wrote in message
news:di4k73$67v$2@blue.rahul.net...
>
> My Civic gets better mileage than my BMW K-75 motorcycle.

My '01 F-650GSA got 71mpg stock, 63 when I put on a taller windsheild. My
'02 K1200RSA on the otherhand is a pig, barely squeeking out 40mpg (boring
slab runs) and 34 when I'm feeling "spirited".

"K" bikes were never known for their economy. Part of why they're called
the "Flying Brick".

> What does a Burgmann get? What about 2-up riding?

About 80 or so.