Honda Car Forum

Hi I've posted a few tiems asking question and everyone who ahs replied ahs
been very helpful. I'm ordering an 06 accord very soon, basically had a few
question. if I lease the car, do I go under the current lease promotion or
do I go under whatever lease money factors are being offered during that
current month. (they said about 2 months, unless an "electronic swap" can be
performed (basically a car thats already ordered somewhere else gets sent to
my dealer instead of the orignal one) anyone order a honda built just for
them before? about how long did it take? how many miles were on it from
tests at the factory? and lastly, is there any way to find out what lease
promotions will be next month? thanks!

-Nick

In article <earXe.12049$Ix4.4055@okepread03>,
"Dr Nick" <Drnick5@cox.net> wrote:

> if I lease the car, do I go under the current lease promotion or
> do I go under whatever lease money factors are being offered during that
> current month.

Whatever is current when you pick up the car.

Here's an idea: don't buy the money from the same place you're buying
the car. You are under no obligation to lease it from the dealer. You
may acquire the money, under whatever terms you like (purchase, lease)
from places that do nothing but sell money.

You wouldn't buy the car from a bank; why buy the money from a car
dealer?

When you tie the purchase of the car together with the purchase of the
money, you invite abuse into the deal. The guy selling you these things
can abuse the hell out of you.

Instead, set a selling price for the car, a price you're comfortable
with. Period. Then go and get the best deal on the money somewhere
else. Take the money to the car dealer, hand him the money, and take
the car.

It is that simple.

"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote in message
news:elmop-257FEE.06274519092005@nntp3.usenetserver.com...
> In article <earXe.12049$Ix4.4055@okepread03>,
> "Dr Nick" <Drnick5@cox.net> wrote:
>
>> if I lease the car, do I go under the current lease promotion or
>> do I go under whatever lease money factors are being offered during that
>> current month.
>
> Whatever is current when you pick up the car.
>
> Here's an idea: don't buy the money from the same place you're buying
> the car. You are under no obligation to lease it from the dealer. You
> may acquire the money, under whatever terms you like (purchase, lease)
> from places that do nothing but sell money.
>
> You wouldn't buy the car from a bank; why buy the money from a car
> dealer?
>
> When you tie the purchase of the car together with the purchase of the
> money, you invite abuse into the deal. The guy selling you these things
> can abuse the hell out of you.
>
> Instead, set a selling price for the car, a price you're comfortable
> with. Period. Then go and get the best deal on the money somewhere
> else. Take the money to the car dealer, hand him the money, and take
> the car.
>
> It is that simple.
>

I've been looking into that, I'm looking at leasing, found a place on-line
that actually leases and delivers cars for suposivly "the lowest prices
possible" (www.generalcar.com) also found a few places that do leasing. now
the other thign is I'm trading in, so I guess thats where it gets tricky. if
I'm not leasing through the dealer I'm sure they are less apt to give me
what my car is worth (about 13K is the best I've gotten on my 2001 Maxima
SE)

Honda products are not custom built, "just for you" or anyone.

<roadcyc@socal.rr.com> wrote in message
news:1127140276.750172.179160@g49g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
> Honda products are not custom built, "just for you" or anyone.
>

ok well regardless of it being "custom built" or not, any idea on what sort
of money factor can eb had by going to a different leasing company? would I
still be able to buy the car at the end if I wish?

-Nick

In article <Z8yXe.12055$Ix4.4477@okepread03>,
"Dr Nick" <Drnick5@cox.net> wrote:

> I've been looking into that, I'm looking at leasing, found a place on-line
> that actually leases and delivers cars for suposivly "the lowest prices
> possible" (www.generalcar.com) also found a few places that do leasing. now
> the other thign is I'm trading in, so I guess thats where it gets tricky.

If you're trading, that's a THIRD transaction.

If you let one guy do ALL THREE transactions, you WILL get abused.

Instead, do three separate transactions:

1) sell your existing car for cash to someone--individual, used car
dealership, whatever

2) go buy your new money from someone who sells money

3) go buy your car, using that new money, from someone who sells new cars

If you let one guy do all three, you will get screwed. Period.

Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:

> In article <earXe.12049$Ix4.4055@okepread03>,
> "Dr Nick" <Drnick5@cox.net> wrote:
>
>
>>if I lease the car, do I go under the current lease promotion or
>>do I go under whatever lease money factors are being offered during that
>>current month.
>
>
> Whatever is current when you pick up the car.
>
> Here's an idea: don't buy the money from the same place you're buying
> the car. You are under no obligation to lease it from the dealer. You
> may acquire the money, under whatever terms you like (purchase, lease)
> from places that do nothing but sell money.
>
> You wouldn't buy the car from a bank; why buy the money from a car
> dealer?

If the dealer's offering a better rate, I'd sign a note with the dealer.

The best rule of thumb (ROT) is that there are no valid ROT's, shop
around for your money same as you do for your car.

Dr Nick wrote:
> "Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote in message
> news:elmop-257FEE.06274519092005@nntp3.usenetserver.com...
>> In article <earXe.12049$Ix4.4055@okepread03>,
>> "Dr Nick" <Drnick5@cox.net> wrote:
>>
>>> if I lease the car, do I go under the current lease promotion or
>>> do I go under whatever lease money factors are being offered during that
>>> current month.
>> Whatever is current when you pick up the car.
>>
>> Here's an idea: don't buy the money from the same place you're buying
>> the car. You are under no obligation to lease it from the dealer. You
>> may acquire the money, under whatever terms you like (purchase, lease)
>> from places that do nothing but sell money.
>>
>> You wouldn't buy the car from a bank; why buy the money from a car
>> dealer?
>>
>> When you tie the purchase of the car together with the purchase of the
>> money, you invite abuse into the deal. The guy selling you these things
>> can abuse the hell out of you.
>>
>> Instead, set a selling price for the car, a price you're comfortable
>> with. Period. Then go and get the best deal on the money somewhere
>> else. Take the money to the car dealer, hand him the money, and take
>> the car.
>>
>> It is that simple.
>>
>
> I've been looking into that, I'm looking at leasing, found a place on-line
> that actually leases and delivers cars for suposivly "the lowest prices
> possible" (www.generalcar.com) also found a few places that do leasing. now
> the other thign is I'm trading in, so I guess thats where it gets tricky. if
> I'm not leasing through the dealer I'm sure they are less apt to give me
> what my car is worth (about 13K is the best I've gotten on my 2001 Maxima
> SE)
>
>
they use a "foursquare sheet"

sheet divided into 4 squares... each square is a chance to screw you.

1 purchase price
2 APR
3 tradein
4 money down

example: you want a low purchase price? theyll raise your APR, lower
your tradein, and/or make you give more $$$ down.

want a low monthly with no money down? fine! they jack your APR, screw
your tradein, and give you a 72mo loan.

etc, etc...

they can dick around with whatever number they want, to get what THEY
want. your goal is to eliminate as many variables as possible...

1) search for the lowest price... autobytel, sams, costco, AAA
2) line up your own financing beforehand, at the APR you want
3) sell your car private party, for slightly more than bluebook
4) moot- youll be writing them a check for whatever you negotiate

> >
> >
> they use a "foursquare sheet"
>
> sheet divided into 4 squares... each square is a chance to screw you.
>
> 1 purchase price
> 2 APR
> 3 tradein

Regarding the Trad-in. Correct me if I'm wrong, but some manufactures will
deduct the value of the trade-in off the purchases price, before they add
the tax. Which can add up to big savings from avoiding some of the higher
(15%) taxes.

So, even if the dealer screws you on the purchase price of the trade-in, you
can still recoup that lost if you factor in the gains made from tax brake.

Pars

> 4 money down
>
> example: you want a low purchase price? theyll raise your APR, lower
> your tradein, and/or make you give more $$$ down.
>
> want a low monthly with no money down? fine! they jack your APR, screw
> your tradein, and give you a 72mo loan.
>
> etc, etc...
>
> they can dick around with whatever number they want, to get what THEY
> want. your goal is to eliminate as many variables as possible...
>
> 1) search for the lowest price... autobytel, sams, costco, AAA
> 2) line up your own financing beforehand, at the APR you want
> 3) sell your car private party, for slightly more than bluebook
> 4) moot- youll be writing them a check for whatever you negotiate
>

In article <TKGdnYInwLFzbq3eRVn-uw@rogers.com>,
"Pars" <sdaro(remove)@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Regarding the Trad-in. Correct me if I'm wrong, but some manufactures will
> deduct the value of the trade-in off the purchases price, before they add
> the tax. Which can add up to big savings from avoiding some of the higher
> (15%) taxes.

Not manufacturers, but states. That's a state by state issue.